Please control yourself if you don't like Powell - THIS IS A HUGE endorsement for Obama!!!

[SeeHopeWin]

Please don't bash the General...I know I know, all of it...etc.

But, please act like your grateful and supportive!

Thanks

[jaxx]

1. The reasons he gave for supporting Obama are concrete.

And the reasons for not supporting McC were real and telling.

Obama is the better man for the job today.

[SeeHopeWin]

5. Bingo!

[mucifer]

2. why? we are amongst friends here. Out talking to moderates and right wingers

we can be quieter but here I'd like to say that lying us into war is a bad thing.

[K Gardner]

34. We have to move on and NOT do a circular firing squad over this. We can't undo

the past, but at least Powell is trying for some measure of redemption. I think we should accept it graciously. (not talking to you, but more to the people that are posting "fuck powell" threads )

:hi:

[Jennicut]

3. I actually like Powell. I bet I will be banned now.

Just kidding. I liked him before he lied to the UN but I believe he is trying to redeem himself and help Obama.

[HereSince1628]

13. Just curious...were you politically aware when My Lai happened?

Powell gained a great reputation due to his high profile during the Bush I administration, but the guy's early career included spinning the My Lai massacre so that it didn't tarnish the reputations of field grade commanders or the Divison itself.

[donco]

26. Your right and yes I remember I was there

But I will keep my mouth shut,…..for now, but will scream long, and loud, if he is appointed any cabinet position in PRESIDENT OBAMAS White house.

[HereSince1628]

43. I think this endorsement is a bad thing for McCain

So I'm OK with that.

On a personal level I don't like Colin Powell or his confederates such as Richard Armitage.

Powell lacked the capacity for principled action at the beginning and at the end of his professional career. He may have lacked the capacity for it in the middle as well. But, it is the front and the back of his career that are known by the public and it is especially the back of his career that has been devastating for the nation and the world.

[Jennicut]

46. Sorry, I wasn't born yet. Not till 1975. I am 32.

Guess Powell has been twisting facts for a long time. At least he endorsed Obama, that is one decent thing he did in his life.

[OKNancy]

4. If the DUers who don't like him will actually listen to

his lead up, I don't see how they could not love what he had to say.
I could tell in the first few minutes he was endorsing Obama.

[mucifer]

8. I am happy he endorsed Obama. But, I can't forgive lying us into a war. He was part of it.

I won't say that canvassing in Indiana of course, but that is how I feel.

[SeeHopeWin]

9. Agreed.

[TooRaLoo]

6. Agree. Rec'd

[4lbs]

7. Kaboom! went the McCain campaign!

:rofl:



(NOTE: If this post looks familiar, that's because you've seen it before.)

[democracy1st]

10. Powell was disturbed by the Palin pick

[renie408]

16. Yep. There was no way he could support McCain after he picked Palin and still

say he is concerned about national security.

[Kalyke]

35. Most nornal-thinking people were disturbed by the Palin pick.

How could you not be?!

Powell may have done some awful things, but he's not insane.

[Grateful for Hope]

11. I agree

This IS a huge endorsement for Obama, and, I wouldn't be surprised to see a bounce in the polls because of this.

His reasons for endorsement were impeccable, and, he is still very highly thought of by a large segment of the US population.

[Cosmocat]

12. Look ...

It helps BO, and that is great.

But, NO WAY he didn't know what he said about BO today a month or two ago, when the balance of the election was still in question.

You take what you get in politics, but sorry, gotta be honest in saying his endorsement was one of polititical cowardice - as an R, as someone who likely is going to want a job, he made sure the other guy had two feet in the grave before he weighed in.

[Mira]

18. That is how I also see it !!! But I'm grateful. Very grateful he came through

[steve2470]

14. I bet Bush and Cheney are PISSED ! nt

[SeeHopeWin]

15. Reminder: General Powell is really respected AROUND THE WORLD...

Other world leaders who know and have worked with Powell will notice this.

[LEW]

17. Make sure you watch - very moving

and thoughtful endorsement. I am very impressed, this is the Colin Powell I have missed.

[WillyT]

20. Yep... I Had Tears In My Eyes By The End Of That Endorsement

Eloquent, thoughtful, straight from the heart...

:hi:

[npincus]

19. I don't like Powell anymore AND I am thrilled he endorsed!!!!

So there!

[MoonRiver]

21. A lot of it related to Palin.

Palin has been an unmitigated disaster for McCain. All she's done is brought a few wackos on board. By contrast she's run off every reasonable Repub, Independent, and blue dog Dem.

[Rose Siding]

22. He just really dogged on Bachmann

He tied it all together with McCain's negative campaign. This is a good thing.

[tblue37]

23. What did he say about Bachmann? (I am hearing impaired--can't hear

videos on the Net, and they don't have closed captioning).

[Rose Siding]

28. He talked about a congress person

going so far as to say that the US Congress should be investigated to see which member are pro or anti-American. He sounded incredulous, said something like it was nonsense and we had to get away from that kind of thinking.

[terrya]

24. I think it's big. You can't spin this as anything but a disaster for McCain.

And I think also that this will give other Republicans...like Chuck Hagel...cover to also endorse Obama.

[Democat]

25. Let's win the election first, then you can bash people helping us!

Please.

If you undermine the people who can help us win, and we lose, there will be more years of Republican rule. That will probably be worse than anything Powell has done.

[Balderdash]

27. I'm glad he endorsed Obama, it's major.

I can wait till after the election to bash the General for helping Dubya get his war.

[Waiting For Everyman]

29. I'm very grateful and glad.

Thank you, General Powell. :)

I'm grateful for everybody and everything that helps.

[musicblind]

30. I am not surprised. It was very obvious how he felt used and abused by the Bush administration

and was very unhappy about having been forced to lie to the American people. Powell was one of the victims; not one of the culprits.

[dansolo]

39. He was not a victim

He knew it was bullshit, and he should have resigned. The problem was that he probably believed the neocon crap about the war being easy, so he wasn't willing to risk the damage of taking a principled stand against the invasion. He is just as complicit, if not more, because he used his reputation to bolster his false claims.

[musicblind]

42. He was lied to and reassured by the head of the CIA about the information.

(a head that was appointed by Clinton). Because of that he trusted that official and went forward with the information. He had many things removed from his UN address... including the refusal to use the word nuclear. He only agreed to use the information he did use because he was lied to and assured that it was 100% accurate. Thus, he is a victim.

You can believe what you want to believe... It is always easier to have someone to hate... but the truth is the truth.

[graywarrior]

31. We need this endorsement

Much as I have trashed him in the past we need him to do this. Does it make up for what he did? Yes, if we win this election.

[dgibby]

40. You might want to ask the 4,000+ troops killed because of

his lies. Oh, wait.....too late to get their opinions, isn't it? NOTHING he can do will make up for all the lives, both American and Iraqi, ruined, imo.

Of course, I'm retired military, so that certainly colors my judgement and feelings, both pro and con. There was a time I would have supported the general for president,had he chosen to run, but that was before I was aware of his involvement in the Mai Lai coverup and the debacle at the UN.

I am glad he endorsed Obama, and I thought his endorsement speech was both eloquent and moving, however, Powell is a very polarizing figure, so this endorsement may prove to be a two-edged sword. Only time will tell.

[FloridaJudy]

32. This has been the best weekend evah!

First the outpouring of support for Tinklenberg, then the crowds in St. Louis, and now this. The Freepers' heads are gonna explode!

Ah, Schadenfreude! How sweet it is.

I'm not crazy about Powell myself, but this is hitting Bu$h and McSame where it really hurts.

[Unbowed]

33. Thank you for this post.

This IS a very important endorsement. The pukes will want to diminish it in any way they can. We CANNOT side with the pukes in this.

I'm hoping this endorsement will give permission to a host of other Republicans who can't see Betty Boop Palin in the White House, an unstable and pugnacious McCain with his finger anywhere that proverbial button or a guy who admittedly knows nothing about the economy taking us further down the economic toilet along with his friend the make believe plumber.

This endorsement could be the beginning of a migration of sane Republicans away from McCain.

I'm all for that. That does not mean I agree with any Republicans on any of the issues. But if they want to come out against McCqain, let them COME OUT. By all means, let them come out.

[SeeHopeWin]

44. :)

[nichomachus]

36. In the short term, it's politically expedient. In the long term,

lionizing Powell endorses one of the most despicable acts so far in the 21st Century -- deliberate lies to the world community that have resulted in the unnecessary deaths of tens of thousands of people.

Colin Powell is a war criminal.

We need to be wary of wanting his endorsement so bad that we're willing to overlook that.

After all, if Charles Manson endorsed Obama, I doubt we'd be cheering him on.

Yes, I know -- and have stated elsewhere -- that this will help Obama, and it will, but the help comes with a price, and the price is rehabilitating a was criminal -- and not in a good way.

Be very very careful.

[Essene]

37. 10 reasons to lay off Powell... cuz his record is actually better than some democrats

1. He actually opposed the invasion of Iraq. See comments below.

2. He opposed the neocons (calls them "f**cking crazies)

3. He called for a (criminal) investigation of the lies leading to war

4. He criticized the handling of the war

5. He supported Obama's approach on diplomacy

6. He critized Mccain's handling of Russia/Georgia

7. He criticized the handling of Katrina

8. He is pro-choice & pro-affirmative action

9. He is one of the most moderate and respected Republicans out there

10. His record on the above 9 points is better than many Democrats



*** As for the first point.

A) He was nearly powerless in the Bush admin, yet he still managed to force Bush to go to the UN about Iraq

B) He got Bush's personal word that we'd accept Saddam's compliance with UN inspections without insisting on regime change (i.e. if there was even a 1% chance of a diplomatic solution, we would not invade)

C) He fought against all the lies in the UN presentation, refusing to add nuclear claims and a bunch of stuff. George Tenet, however, assured him that the intel on the remaining stuff was 100% certain. This was the head of the CIA... Clinton's guy... and Powell trusted him...

D) Powell didn't see the UN presentation as a call for invasion, but simply as more pressure

E) In retrospect, Powell says both he and Tenet were lied to... and has called for a (criminal) investigation into who buried the real intel.

[a la izquierda]

41. Thanks for this. N/T

[JNelson6563]

38. Oh bullshit

He's looking for redemption. Why do you think he risks the wrath of the right? Small price to pay. He's a guy who has to know he's currently destined for hell (according to his own belief system), he's got a long way to go to make up for the horrors he has contributed to.

You want to fellate the guy cause he's trying to make up for his war criminal ways? Great, enjoy. Don't command the rest of us to join you.

Julie

[progressiveforever]

45. True- no arguing with Powell's reasoning