Honestly now: How many people here believe "It's Over"?

[WilliamPitt]

Poll question: Honestly now: How many people here believe "It's Over"?

Follow up questions:

1. If you believe it is in fact over, why are you still posting here?

2. If you don't believe it's over, what makes you feel that way?

[NMDemDist2]

1. is what over?

:shrug:

the campaign is just gearing up

the conventions are over

Labor Day weekend is half over


(ok so I'm a smart ass) :smoke:

[realFedUp]

2. What's over?

I like mine over easy please.

[opihimoimoi]

3. The fight has just started..... in the end, Truth ansd common Sense will

prevail.

Bush has not beem forth right about what he did to PREVENT terrorist attacks. For 8 months he played golf and did not implement anything to upgrade our security despite warnings/etc.

[Demonaut]

41. Was it over when the Iraqi's bombed Pearl Harbor?

god I miss John Belushi

[billbuckhead]

4. The Bush misadministration owns the cable media

CNN-TimeWarner=Saudi arabia-----NBC=GE, the world's largest defense contractor---Fox=Facist Murdoch.

Of course these guys are in league with the devil. They had Bush ahead of Gore the whole time to depress our turnout. They want to depress us in general.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

10. As they did last week, last month, and last year.

Funny, I remember a year ago, they were all saying the Kerry campaign was dead. Now, they're saying the same thing. At least they're consistent.

[Coventina]

5. It'll NEVER be over!!!

Even if Bush wins, cheats, whatever, it STILL won't be over!!!

I'm not giving up until the last blade of green grass is gone!!!!

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

52. What she said n/t

[candy331]

68. Over is not even on the table.

[seventhson]

6. It is not over. Americans are fed up with Bush who is a loser big time...

it took his selection as pResident for the majority of voters to see this.

There are more people totally fed up with him than there are die hard supporters - and the people who are sick of him will vote their asses off.

[sonicx]

7. of course not...

Gore was behind in the polls AND being lynched in the media in 2000, but still won.

[Oddman]

21. I sure hope Kerry doesn't win like Gore won!

Gee . . .

[rndmprsn]

36. amen

i don't think i could take another one of those victories!

[Union Thug]

8. I don't think it's over...

2 months in a long time. BUT I am of the camp that believes that the Kerry campaign needs to become a whole lot meaner and a whole lot more aggressive.

I don't believe Kerry should waste time 'answering' attack ads. I believe that for every attack levelled by the Microcephalic Chimp, two should be launched by the Kerry campaign. We need to shove them into the ropes and pound the body mercilessly. Keep them on the defense so there is no time for a counter offense.

Ding ding ding.. when the bell for the final round rings, we need to make sure they are badly beaten.

[Cheswick2.0]

9. it's not over, but even if I thought it was

I would still post here.

There is lots of time left to overcome a few points in the polls. What matters most are electoral votes.

[WoodrowFan]

11. the over-weight lady hasn't even gottten the sheet music out yet! (NT)

[jbfam4]

45. the fat lady is nowhere ready to sing....

she hasn't even put the kettle on for tea to get her vocal chords ready....to vocalize.

[Seabiscuit]

50. Hell, the fat lady's

still fattening up. She's not even singing material yet.

[stray cat]

12. We knew August would be rough

Kerry knew by accepting the Democratic nomination that Bush would have an extra month's worth of money. The decision was made by the campaign to save the money for Sept and Oct. Kerry has taken his hit and its time for him and rest of us to fight back. Alot depends on what happens internationally and domestically in the next two months. Its a dangerous time but we've all learned how the GOP intends to play this. A key question is how gullible the American people and media are for the GOP stories and if and when both groups wake up.

[a new day]

13. Because Kerry is revising his strategy

[Oddman]

22. It's good to know he has a strategy

I like Mary Beth Cahill - but I haven't liked Kerry's campaigning up to this point . . .

[Seabiscuit]

51. That's what they told me on the Kerry blog

last April, last May, last June, and last July. Then last August they banned me for raising challenging questions. The standard Kerry blog response was always something like: "Kerry knows best" or "Kerry knows what he's doing". That hardly answers the question: "What is Kerry doing about this/going to do about that?"

The only glimmer of hope I've seen in Kerry all year was his Ohio speech following Bush's coronation speech Thursday night.

We need more of that - heaps more - and more focused, and more intense and more outraged, and going straight for Bushco's jugular on every issue, especially Iraq.

[a new day]

62. Feels more like when he put the move on Dean

It had better. Mr. Electable has to come through.

[Seabiscuit]

83. Exactly

By the time he overtook Dean in Iowa, Kerry had a well-polished, well-focused campaign which not only co-opted Dean's positions (a tactic which will *not* work with Bush) but had clarified and simplified and very well articulated his talking points. Unlike now, though, he didn't need then to address Iraq to the locals. And unlike now, he had a candidate in Dean who had verbally shot himself in the foot before the cameras half a dozen times leading up to his "scream speech", which was the final nail in Dean's coffin.

All I'm asking is that JK take Clinton's advice. Clinton successfully clobbered the right wing smears not only in two election, but for an entire eight years during numerous harassing and frivolous Ken Starr "investigations", but also an unconstitutional impeachment proceeding. Like him or not, Clinton knows how to successfully handle these neocons, and if JK doesn't heed Clinton's advice now, he does so at his own peril. His campaign is in dire need of a Clintonesque jolt of aggressiveness.

[TeacherCreature]

14. It's not OVER till the votes are counted, but that does NOT mean

That it is "sown up" either, not by a long shot.

Anyone who denies that we have an uphill battle facing us right now strikes me, at least, as delusional.

Anyone with a brain in their head would have to admit that the past three weeks have not been good for our cause.

It looks like we are all going to have to work that much harder to reach the goal we ALL SHARE.

[realFedUp]

15. I think Will's at the pub

throwing darts....

or just back from the pub, still throwing darts.

[Seabiscuit]

56. Indeed...

Will does get into these provocative moods here from time to time. :)

[sundog]

16. Not over... the ground is rumbling...

Something is afoot.

The true people of this earth will rise up.

No man is exempt from the laws of karma. Least of all *.

[noamnety]

17. It's not over

Because we have a lot of educating to do still.

My sister, she is voting for Kerry, but purely as an ABB vote. He's not green enough, he's not anti-war enough, etc.

She's active as a protestor, protested the Iraq war, protests Cheney when he visits her town.

But last week I found out she had never heard or read the Winter Soldier testimony. She did not know Kerry was involved in organizing the first Earth Day. She did not know Teresa wasn't born in the US, let alone any of her anti-apartheid activities. She claims the other people in her activist peace group don't know this stuff either.

So I am burning disks for her today, and I hope she will share them with others in her group. Clearly there is a lot of voter education that still needs to happen. I don't even think we need new breaking stories - we need to work harder to get the existing stories out to people that aren't active online.

[louis c]

18. All the objective polling data

shows this is a 3 point game, with two months to go.

The debates will tell the story.

[leftistagitator]

19. It's not over because

no matter what kind of tricks or garbage they play, there are more of us than there are of them. Look at the ways they have to scew polls just to make Bush* look competitive. He's been forced to play his hand early, and we haven't even begun to fight yet. I still believe that we will win by a significant margin, and all these thug desperation plays merely reinforce that belief.

[KT2000]

20. People who answer their phones

are not necessarily the people who will get out and vote.

There are so many skeletons in Bush's closet - we just need media to open the door so everyone can see!!

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

23. Did the Reptilicans think it was over one month ago

when Bush was taking a nose dive? What's changed since then? A SmearBoater ad? A smeafest devoid of substance or issues disguising itself as a convention? We are heading into the championship rounds of this heavy weight prize fight and we can't afford to get mentally defeated before we've had a chance to score a knock out. Hopefully, the Kerry campaign will get its second wind and come out like a tiger.

[0rganism]

24. It's over when the counting stops, and not a moment earlier

No reason to let the polls give us false confidence or despair. Everyone here knows what must be done, and we should damn well be doing it.

[carpediem]

25. not over - turnout n/t

.

[saracat]

26. I notice none who posted that they believe "it's over"

have either defended their position or answered why they are still posting.Don't they have anything to say? Or do they just lurk?

[MrBenchley]

27. WHAT is over, Will?

The GOP convention was a major stinkbomb, the GOP ticket can't appear in public and can't discuss any issues, and the GOP's attack ad campaign has blown up in their faces....

I think unless they can bait the Kerry campaign into doing something really stupid, the GOP is going to be in very big trouble...and it doesn't bothe rme a bit.

[BootinUp]

28. We lost the momemtum, but it ain't over

Silly Will, trix are for kids.

:)

[many a good man]

29. The regular season is over -- now its the playoffs

Lets hope Kerry doesn't choke, like his beloved Red Sox.

[polmaven]

30. Of course it's not over!

The Time and Newsweek polls are anomalies. They coincidentally come up with exactly the same numbers for this 11 point lead that is way out of line with everyone else? Give me a break. Who copied whom?

The rest of the polls are showing anywhere from a 2-4 point lead for Bush. For an incumbent (p)resident to come out of his convention and head into the home stretch with a "lead" under 5 points is not a good sign!

Of course it's not over!

[Frank Rose]

31. It's never going to be over, even after Kerry is sworn in

Our fight has been going on for ten thousand years, only when we stop fighting will we loose. A poll doesn't matter, an election doesn't even matter, the human spirit matters. People who start every sentence with "I can't" never will.

[chieftain]

32. Not By A Long Shot

[Elidor]

33. It's OVER!!!

KERRY WINS!
Still, perhaps you'd care to tell us again how much confidence you have in Kerry's campaign managers? At least they're trying to make it a nail-biter. I, for one, believe the victory will be ours, despite the Kerry campaign's best efforts.

Perhaps this is because I can no longer face the alternative.

[sendero]

34. Few people think it is over...

... they might think it is over if Kerry doesn't change his campaign style though. I'm pretty sure that he is, so I'm not too worried about November :)

[mzmolly]

35. Only the freeps believe it's over.

:hi:

We know it's long from it. But, I reserve the right to calls em as I sees em in the coming weeks. ;)

[Cuban_Liberal]

37. I will NEVER give up!

"I have just begun to fight!"

---John Paul Jones

[emulatorloo]

38. CHeeze Louise! IT HAS ONLY BEGUN!

Campaigns for pres never start in earnest until after Labor Day.

Is it Labor Day yet?

I look forward to the September and October DISMANTLING of George W Bush.

[jsw_81]

39. It's not over

I can vividly recall Bush's big lead in the summer of 2000 and how virtually everyone was making fun of Gore's "pathetic" campaign that was supposedly stuck in the mud. By election day, however, Bush's lead had totally vanished and Gore went on to win by well over 500,000 votes; I wouldn't be at all surprised to see the Kerry campaign make a similar comeback, especially if the economy keeps tanking and the situation in Iraq keeps getting worse.

[michigandem2]

40. i think ...

that we have too much ammo...to call it over...its 2 months out..and in my book that is a LONG ass time in the political game..

for one never being so heavily involved in politics or as interested in making sure our country is taken back from these assholes...I believe we have a fighting chance...

* is a fuck up..and he has many opportunities to do just that...

"i dont think the war on terror is winnable..." 24 hours later "we WILL win the war on terror"

I think that the number of people out there disgusted with this administration and disgusted with how our country is doing right now...are more pissed off than the media will show...and they can't poll newly registered voters and NEW voters who have never voted or haven't voted in a while...I am not trying to be too confident but given all of that...the media might be a bit clueless...

[Awsi Dooger]

42. Well, we won 3 straight popular votes by 500,000+

To me that's much more vital piece of perspective ammo than these puny sample, "no incumbent has won below 60% approval rating, blah, blah, blah" crap. Their automatic majority hasn't shown up since the opponent was Dukakis.

This is like asking if the American League team feels intimidated when its October opponent is the Atlanta Braves. Bush has lost before and like the postseason Braves he can't hide his record.

[Zynx]

43. More polls show it close than the other way around.

Zogby, Rasmussen, ARG, and the Economist poll all show it close whereas the two weekly rags show it to close.

[Rabelais]

44. Looks like your little plan failed

Barely anyone thinks "its over" so don't exagerate dissent as people who do think it is over.

[IndianaGreen]

46. It is over if you are unable to get off the Vietnam topic!

Vietnam was not a glorious war that liberated an oppressed people

Trying to sell the Vietnam "hero" thing is like selling the heroism of the French Foreign Legion in the Algerian war or in Vietnam. It won't fly with the Left, and it is not a topic that many people want to talk about.

The best thing Kerry did in Vietnam was not an act of war, and it was not his antiwar activities when he returned home from the war.

The best thing Kerry did were his trips to Vietnam, such as the one he made in May 1991, and the work he did on the POW/MIA issue. Kerry was the key to President Clinton's normalization of relations with Vietnam. I am surprised that these significant accomplishments have been generally overlooked by the campaign, as if they were ashamed of them.

Vietnam War, Peace Pivotal in Kerry's Life

By Edward Walsh
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, January 3, 2004; Page A01

In November 2000, the twilight of his presidency, Bill Clinton traveled to Vietnam, a place that he and thousands of other young Americans tried to avoid in the 1960s. He spoke at the Vietnam National University of Hanoi, and among those in the audience that he singled out for recognition was a tall man from New England who had been to Vietnam many times before.

His name was John F. Kerry, and he had played a key role in bringing about the first visit to Vietnam by an American president since Richard M. Nixon briefly met with U.S. troops there in 1969.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A50479-2004Jan2?language=printer

[elperromagico]

47. It ain't over 'til Bush leaves the White House.

:D

[jackieforthedems]

48. November 3rd

The election will be over on November 3rd. Until then, nothing's over.

[blue neen]

49. Hell no, it's not over.

The only thing that's over is "Fear and Loathing in New York" week.

The real campaign is just beginning.

[CrispyQ]

53. I wish I could remember who said it, but . . .

I read within the past couple of days someone said, "I would never bet against John Kerry."

[gulfcoastliberal]

54. I don't think anyone here thinks it's over,

but if Cahill & Co keep the same strategy it could make it over. We need to hit Bush* hard, and stop the the tactics of Dukakis, midterms, etc.

This is a nasty, bitter war and putting on a smiley face doesn't change that fact. Objective: making the case that Bush* needs to be replaced not only because of his record and allowing 9/11 to happen, but laying out bold clear strategies that get people excited and overcome any doubts. So far, this has not happened.

[DemBones DemBones]

55. Lots of freepers here, as we already knew.

Dems may get discouraged and bitch about how the campaign is being run, but Dems never say it's over until the votes are all counted. Or until the SCOTUS steals it.

[Maddy McCall]

57. It's over for Bush.

The R convention just ended. Everything that has happened since is to be expected. I can't understand the handwringing on DU. We are going to win this thing--I know this because I am always right. :-)

[NightOwwl]

58. Personally I think it is far from over,

but I feel that way in spite of my belief that the campaign so far has been a complete and utter failure. Should I go sit in the corner now?

[UrbScotty]

59. It ain't over until November 2, at the EARLIEST. (nt)

[Christof]

60. It's not over until the polls close on November 2nd.

Until then, quit being so "doom and gloom". It's really annoying.

[Calm Like A Bomb]

61. Over? Did you say "over?" Nothing is over until we decide it is!

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell, no!

[rhite5]

63. uhhhh ....... the Germans did not bomb Pearl Harbor

[Disturbed]

65. No freakin' way!!!!

The fight is now starting. All the fanfare is out of the way and the real death match will begin. Never underestimate J. Kerry. I wish he would hire Carvel and cut Ms. Cahil lose.

[SpaceCatMeetsMars]

69. That's a joke from Animal House. n/t

n/t

[Calm Like A Bomb]

72. Salvation lies within...

Animal House (1978)

My advice to you is... start drinking heavily. :toast:

[lapislzi]

75. don't stop him now, he's on a roll n/t

[mhr]

64. Other - 50/50 Chance Of A Win Or A Loss

eom

[GOPAgainstGW]

66. THE 20 YES VOTERS SHOULD JOIN FREE REPUBLIC SO THEY'RE HAPPY!!!!!!!!

[The River]

67. Those 20 ARE Freepers....

Who do you think are posting all the doom and gloom topics?
Hey Mods... How about a doom & gloom forum so we can
keep the deep cover freeps and their deliberately
negative topics isolated?

[Walt Starr]

70. I don't even believe it will be over on November 3rd after Kerry wins!

I won't even believe it's over after the electoral votes have been counted and prove that Kerry won.

I'll believe this phase of it is over on January 20, 2005 after Kerry takes the oath of office. Then phase two begins in which the Evil Repulicans begin the smear of Kerry in a blatant attempt to remove him from office.

[tilsammans]

79. I agree; it will never really be "over"

Before, during, and after Kerry's swearing in, the Rethugs will be continually trying to destroy him, just as they did with Clinton and anyone else who attempts to thwart their agenda.

No matter what happens, folks, we can NEVER rest . . . NEVER.

:kick:

[molly]

71. Besides being stubborn and tenacious - I believe

in John Kerry/John Edwards! I signed up until the fat lady sings.

[LWolf]

73. Depends on "it."

I believe the Bush mis-administration is over. I believe he is history.

The election isn't over; theres an ugly couple of months ahead of us. But in the end, when it's "over," Bush is "over."

[Connie_Corleone]

74. It's not over until I sing.

[bogey18]

76. It's not over

I have been discouraged by what the Republicans are being allowed to get away with, and the new lows they are stooping to in their desperation to hang on to power. Following the campaign closely is like a roller coaster ride. But I believe there are a lot of people out there who aren't saying much and who are, in fact, sick and tired of *'s act. I believe there are still many issues that are going to bite * right in the ass before this is over. And I have to believe that Kerry/Edwards has just begun to fight!

[nolabels]

77. "Over the top"

"Over the top"

The 4th received orders to take a section of front before Hill 70, north of the city of Lens. Executing a large raid, 60 daringly broke through German lines to secure identifications of enemy numbers. While storming forward positions, they destroyed several machine gun nests and discovered arms caches. As one squad pursued a German down a trench, they managed to hit him clambering down a ladder. At it's base, the Lieutenant in charge came upon a dugout full of enemy. After much shouting, gas bombs were thrown in, yet still there was no surrender. The Lieutenant threw in Mills bombs enough to destroy the dugout and all 40 enemy perished. The Lieutenant was subsequently awarded the military cross.
(snip)
http://www1.xe.net/~mbone/webtree/morton/georgedl-1918b.htm

I like these guys, they wear the funny little hats :tinfoilhat: when they are the trenches fighting to defeat their enemy. The creepy thing about symbolism is that often shows up before the real problem. I don't really know if all that if is a 'letting cat out bag' is a conscious premeditated thing by the perpetrator or subconscious thing (like coming back to the scene of the crime, but it's out there too and happens)

I will never forget when they decided to change the GI steel pot (Helmet) from a round smooth rim to to one that comes out like the WWII Nazi German one. I would like to ask the question who, after watching the effing disaster with armor in Iraq believe this change in design it was about safety for the soldier. I would say it was a in your face affront by the kind of folks calling the shots now if you ask me.


P.S. Was just trying to put up a little side note, we can't be serious all the time :silly:

[Jacobin]

78. This has an eerie whistling past the graveyard quality to it.

Not over, but it would be nice if Kerry began an all out assault. The wind currently seems out of his sails.

Hoping that the rumored changes in campaign staff are going forward.

[ABB_now]

80. I'm still worried about the AOL straw poll

It didnt look good, but the data was from 9-3-04 I think

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

81. It's only September, for goodnes sake!

A lot can happen in two months

[umtalal]

82. Because one day we will have Obama for President and the Neo Cons will be

sent to go and live in Israel. And Israel would be taught a lesson in not controling the US government.

And, I still have hope in Kerry. It is only September. Remember Truman's race???

[absolutezero]

84. this poll brought to you by cnn

wait....cnn's poll would've been even more confusing

[are_we_united_yet]

85. If it is over,

it is over for Bush. I am confident he will be defeated.

I believe this because there is a "real" animosity out there for this administration and I believe it will impact "swing voters" and "non-registered voters" (who have registered since) in supporting Kerry (rather than Nader or Bush).

I also believe there is a general sense in the (moderate) public that our Democracy is being blatantly challenged and abused by this administration (my term: Demockery).

People like the lady wearing the purple heart band aid were going to vote for W anyway so I don't think voting habits of these 'muricans' have changed much (no proof, just my feeling).

Given that, I predict Kerry in a Landslide defeat. We're being told it is going to be close, but I just don't believe it.

I'll even go out on a limb: If Bush is not defeated in November, I will buy the first three rounds at Peep's Repub (or whatever it is called now. Offer is limited to you only 'cause my job will probably be going to India or China a month after W's win).

[hiphopnation]

86. Yes

I believe that the four years of the destructive, dynastic, tyrannical, raping of everything I love about this country is over in the next four months. Thank you...