Meet the Press Today

[rndmprsn]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5921259/

just wanted to throw this one out there...

-snip-

MR. RUSSERT: ...with you and our viewers and give a chance for our group to respond to it. "U.S. dominance of the Middle East is not the corrective to terror. It is a cause of terror. Were were not over there, the 9/11 terrorists would not have been over here. And while their acts were murderous and despicable, behind their atrocities lay a political motive. We were attacked because of our imperial presence on the sacred soil of the land of Mecca and Medina, because of our enemies' perception that we were strangling the Iraqi people with sanctions and preparing to attack a second time, and because of our uncritical support of the Likud regime of Ariel Sharon" in Israel.
Are you suggesting that our alliance with Israel is one of the reasons that we were attacked on September 11?

MR. BUCHANAN: Sure. That's one of the reasons given by Osama bin Laden. In his fatwa of 1998, he wrote that there are three causes of the problems and three causes for a declaration of war by all Arabs and good Muslims against the United States. One, America's imperial presence on the sacred soil of Saudi Arabia. Secondly, the sanctions policy against Iraq which was persecuting and basically starving, he said, the Iraqi people, and we were planning another invasion. Third is the United States' uncritical support of the Ariel Sharon regime in Israel, which he argued is persecuting the Palestinian people.
In my judgment, Chris, this one-sided support for Sharon, the refusal to condemn that wall snaking through the West Bank, the agreement to support Sharon's claim to virtually half of the West Bank, this has caused enormous hostility and animosity and hatred for this country in that part of the world, not just among the Palestinians. And if we want to drain off some of this hatred, this venom against us, we have got to adopt a more evenhanded policy here. We have got to stand up for the same rights for the Palestinian people, a homeland, a nation, a state of their own, a viable one, on the land their forefathers farmed for a thousand years, because those are first our principles and secondly, that is in the national interest of the United States of America. I don't care what Ariel Sharon believes.

[alcuno]

1. No, no, no. They hate us because they hate freedom.

It couldn't POSSIBLY be our policies.

[rndmprsn]

2. they hate freedom

every time i hear that it kind of makes me want to laugh if it wasn't so serious.

[Minimus]

14. like nails on a chalkboard

whenever I hear bush say it

[saccheradi]

21. poetry.

[wolfgirl]

3. it freaks me out

that I'm actually agreeing with Pat Buchanan....what has the world come to!?!?:scared: :crazy:

[DaveinMD]

4. You can pick

things out where you agree with Buchanan, but this guy has a long history of racism and anti-semitism. Don't get in bed with this guy.

[niceypoo]

10. Buchannan sounds like a flaming liberal next to the present cabal

I agree totally there. That doesnt mean Im ready to hit the sheets with the guy......*lol*

[redstateblues]

24. I Can't Stand Him- On This, Tho, He Is Right

[Leilani]

41. He has been labeled an anti-Semite

because he has been speaking like this for a while. And the neo-cons have smeared him.

Pat has lots of wacky ideas, but he is not anti-Semetic. He is an America-Firster.

He has also been called racist because of his stand on illegal immigration.

[DaveinMD]

44. he is an antisemite-some quotes

In a 1977 column, Buchanan said that despite Hitler's anti-Semitic and
genocidal tendencies, he was "an individual of great courage...Hitler's
success was not based on his extraordinary gifts alone. His genius was an
intuitive sense of the mushiness, the character flaws, the weakness
masquerading as morality that was in the hearts of the statesmen who stood
in his path." (The Guardian, 1/14/92)

Writing of "group fantasies of martyrdom," Buchanan challenged the
historical record that thousands of Jews were gassed to death by diesel
exhaust at Treblinka: "Diesel engines do not emit enough carbon monoxide
to kill anybody." (New Republic, 10/22/90) Buchanan's columns have run in
the Liberty Lobby's Spotlight, the German-American National PAC newsletter
and other publications that claim Nazi death camps are a Zionist
concoction.

http://www.mtsu.edu/~baustin/buchanan.html

[Leilani]

47. You provided a series of quotes taken out of sequence.

And it was provided by a Jewish group, calling him anti-Semetic.

I get really tired of everyone being labeled if they say something that is not completely politicaly correct.

We are not allowed to even discuss certain topics anymore; if you do, you are labeled a hate-monger, etc.

Do I agree with EVERYTHING Buchanan says? NO!

But, he has the right to say it, & we should be able to discuss various ideas, without everyone swooning.

[DaveinMD]

50. the quotes are real

he is a virtual holocaust denier. You can agree with what he says now. But he is a racist and anti-semite.

[Leilani]

51. Additionally, I just want to say,

I am completely pro-Israel.

I think there are people on both sides that throw smears & insults around, rather than discuss things rationally.

I believe in a 2 state solution, where both peoples can live side-by-side, in peace.

I think the problems are exacerbated by the political leaders. If left to the rational people over there, a just solution could be worked out.

And I believe the U.S. must play a role at the peace table, & we should be honest brokers.

By the way, after Arafat rejected the solution of Barack & Clinton, talks went on between Israelis & Palestinians. It was the Bush Admin that abandoned the talks, & things went downhill from there.

[DaveinMD]

53. that

I completely agree with.

[ecoalex]

5. I agree with Pat

He exposes the lie of the neo cons, "they hate us for our Freedom" B.S. I still don't understand why Palestine doesn't have it's Statehood. I honestly don't think the Israelis will ever give back the Palestinians land, their true aim.Why the radical Muslims hate us.

[DaveinMD]

7. If Isreal had a Labor government

Israel would give up land. Under Clinton, Barak offered a good deal to the Palestinians but Arafat chose terror instead. This is not a one-sided issue.

[wrang_wrang]

12. hahaha Arafat chose terror,, not a one-sided issue

Talking points frm AIPAC make me laugh and then vomit.

[DaveinMD]

16. hardly a talking point

Clinton thought is was a fair deal. I guess he's just an AIPAC tool too.

[wrang_wrang]

20. Clinton and Barak aren't Palestinian refugees are they?

Who are the Americans and Israelis to decide what's a "fair deal" for the Palestinians?
That's like FOX News calling themselves "Fair and Balanced"!

tell us that the Marc Rich pardon had nothing to do with Israeli influence over the Clinton presidency, too. That was another "fair deal", I'm sure, to you.

Of course, when the Palestinians rejected the "fair deal" "peace treaty" that left millions of Palestinians no hope of returning to their ancestral homes, gave Israel the right to occupy Palestinian land and control Palestinian destiny - it is Arafat who "chose terror".

Sure, buddy, sure.

[DaveinMD]

22. Arafat

walked out of the peace negotiations and started the intifada. That is is a fact. There will never be a peace agreement unless both sides are willing to accept an agreement that is not perfect of either side. But Israel was willing to withdraw from the West Bank, Gaza and even parts of Jerusalem. Arafat walked away from that and suicide bombings escalated. This is what led to the Sharon government. Barak offered alot to Arafat. The ball was clearly in Arafat's hands and he punted.

[wrang_wrang]

26. In other words, the Palestinians must accept Israel's terms

or else.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

23. A Just Peace....

I believe 750,000 Palestinians left Israel after the 1948 War. Some were expelled, some were scared away, and some left voluntarily....


If you count their progeny scattered around the world and in refugee camps their numbers rise to 5,000,000...


There should be compensation for these refugees and a limited right of retrurn as part of a two state solution.....

No Israeli government is going to allow millions of Palestinians to return to Israel proper...

Some historical injustices can't be righted...

[wrang_wrang]

25. No justice, no peace

No Israeli government is going to allow millions of Palestinians to return to their rightful homes. Why? Because Israel is dedicated to maintaining the Jewish character of the neocolonial Jewish state, justice be damned. Therefore Israel is in the wrong. The Israelis are the ones who chose terrorism over justice.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

27. By Your Definition Much Of The United States Is Occupied Territory

Should we allow Mexico to annex Texas?

How about reurning the Dakotas to the Sioux Indians and New York to the Algonquin Indians since there certainly was fraud involved to purchase New York for $24.00 worth of trinkets..

How about the Jews who were kicked out of Morocco, Syria, Iraq, and other Arab countries after the 48 War.... Should they be repatriated to their native lands?


Should there be an independent Kurdistan?



If the citizens of this planet continue to harbor and perpetuate ancient grievances there will be no justice and there certainly won't be any peace....


By the way my grandparent's land was expropriated by the Bolsheviks after the 1917 Revolution should I apply to the Russian government for compensation?

[wrang_wrang]

29. Could Zionist apologists be any bigger hypocrites??

The whole premise of Zionism is that a Jewish state should be established in Palestine because a Jewish nation existed there 2000 years ago - before the Romans destroyed it. So, according to you, "repatriation" of Jews from around the world to a Jewish state in Palestine is A-OK even if it displaces and discriminates against native born Palestinians whose families have resided continuously in the Holy land for hundreds if not thousands of years.

Why? Because Jews are special, of course, and Israel rectifies historical injustices against Jews. Then you bring up other historical injustices as spurious diversions in order to justify the Zionist injustice of Israel! What hypocrisy!

Your arguments could be turned around so that we ask, "Why should the Jews be allowed to establish a state in the Middle East when the Native Americans lost their land, the Kurds do not have a state, etc?" But no, your AIPACkaged arguments are not intended to be used against Israel, only to be used to disenfranchise the palestinians.

Why bother discussing peace and justice with dishonest partners? Then you wonder where the terrorists come from. "Why do they hate us?" They hate freedom. They are anti-semitic. Uh-huh. It has nothing to do with your actions.
Sure, believe what you want.

[DaveinMD]

30. you show your true colors

You defend the actions of people blowing themselves up on buses and in pizza parlors. They are targeting civilians. The Israeli's offered a fair peace plan. There was no counter offer. Just terrorism in response. Do you even believe Israel has a right to exist. I doubt you do.

[wrang_wrang]

31. You do not recognize that Israeli policies are also terrorism

Five decades of Jewish supremacism and Israeli atrocities bring a violent response. Surprised?

[DaveinMD]

34. Israel

has been attacked countless times. We it their fault that they defended themsleves. There is not moral equivalency between blowing up pizza parlors and killing the people who plan those attacks. The people of Israel are willing to give up land for peace. The Palestinians won't go so far as recognizing Israel's right to exist. That has to happen for peace to occur.

[wrang_wrang]

36. Deir Yassin massacre was perpetrated before Israel had a pizza parlor

http://www.palestinehistory.com/massacre.htm

You continue to justify and defend Israeli atrocities. The Palestinians should continue to make every effort to negotiate with unrepentent racist war criminals.

[DaveinMD]

37. and there

were massacres on the other side. And Israel was attacked just after the UN partition with the goal of driving every Jew into the sea. I have a major problem with the Sharon government. But you have shown you have no problem with suicide bombers. Pretty big difference.

[wrang_wrang]

39. Big difference

I have called for justice for all people regardless of religion while you have no problem with state terrorism committed in the name of the Jewish people.

[DaveinMD]

40. hogwash

you basically endorsed suicide bombings. You discounted Israel's attempts at peace under their Labor government. You let Arafat completely off the hook for his actions after he rejected the deal offered by Barak and brokered by President Clinton.

The Palestinian terrorism is state-sponsored. Its sponsored by the Palestinian authority as well as by Syria.

[wrang_wrang]

42. You know it all

You read it at Debka and Haaretz.

You think that Israel is not a racist state that discriminates against people who are not Jewish. You think that when Israel assassinates civilians it's 100% justified. You know that Israel negotiates in good faith and if Palestinians are being oppressed by the Jewish state and railroaded into bantustans, the conflict is their fault for resisting Zionist hegemony and domination.

Why bother discussing it with someone who doesn't see the world through your extremist lens?

[DaveinMD]

43. you defend

suicide bombers and I'm the extremist. I guess President Clinton was an extremist too. I'll gladly stand with President Clinton on this issue.

[wrang_wrang]

49. You don't recognize that Israel enagages in state terrorism

You defend Israeli atrocities against the Arab population and then you wonder where anti-Israeli terrorism comes from. I said, "no wonder" That's a far cry from defending suicide bombers. Zionists ARE religious nationalist EXTREMISTS who believe that Jews deserve more rights than non-Jews in a land populated by millions of non-Jews! If Zionists believed in equality and justice, there would be no terrorism. Instead, Zionists think they can foist Jewish supremacy on non-Jews, label anyone who points out their hypocrisy as "terrorist", and kill them. What fascism!

It's no wonder that some Palestinians resort to terrorism when faced with this racist ideology, the oppression of the Israeli state and the selfish duplicity of its supporters.

[DaveinMD]

52. Jews

fight for their homeland because of their history of persecution. They needed a safe haven because they were murdered for just being Jewish. Jews don't argue that they are superior. They argue that they have a right to a homeland. The Arab terrorists believe they should be driven into the sea and that all Jews should be killed.

[wrang_wrang]

55. Palestinians

fight for their homeland because of their history of persecution by Israelis. They need a safe haven because they are being murdered for just being non-Jews. Palestinians don't argue that they are superior. They argue that they have a right to return to their homes. The Israeli terrorists believe they should be expelled and that all Palestinians should be killed.
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What a coincidence.

[DaveinMD]

56. and Israel

offered them their own state and control over part of Jerusalem and they rejected it.

[wrang_wrang]

57. The Jews

were offered a place where "Werk Macht Frei" work would set them free, too.

[DaveinMD]

58. please explain

n/t

[wrang_wrang]

60. You tediously repeat the Israeli propaganda that Arafat is to blame

for Camp David peace talks failure. This is simply untrue but it is a convenient myth that helps Israelis/Zionists to absolve themselves of guilt for subsequent state terrrorism by Israel: "We offered them a deal, they refused and chose terrorism. Now we must be brutal with the Palestinians."

The canard "Work Makes You Free" that over the gates of German concentration camps to encourage Jews to believe that they were just being asked to work in the factories, no mention of the Final Solution. Similarly, the Palestinains were asked to accept their Final Solution at Camp David under the terms set by the Israeli state led by Barak who had even voted against Oslo, and to forsake any future claims for their self-determination.

Here's an ISRAELI site to help you understand:

http://www.gush-shalom.org/generous/generous.html

Barak's Generous Offers...



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"A Villa in the Jungle"
An in-depth analysis of the reasons for the Catastrophe at Camp David 2
and the major roll former prime minister Ehud Barak had played
in shattering the peace process.

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Data in this document are based on the maps Barak showed Arafat in December 2000
and generally termed "Barak's Generous Offers".
The Israeli public, media and academics use this description unwittingly.
The "generous offer" is used as a fig leaf that conceals the intentions of those
who wish to justify this war against the Palestinians.




The West Bank and the Gaza Strip, captured in 1967,
comprise 22% of pre-1948 Palestine.
When the Palestinians signed the Oslo Agreement in 1993
they agreed to accept only these 22% and recognise
Israel within the Green Line borders.
Conceding 78% of the land was a historical Palestinian compromise.




But this compromise was not enough for Barak.
In his offer to the Palestinians, Barak wanted more:




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69 settlements are included in this area,
where 85% of the settlers live.
It is clearly visible that The blocs create impossible borders,
which severely disrupt Palestinian life in the West Bank.










But this too was not enough for Barak.
more demands were on their way-
An invention called: "temporary Israeli Control"




--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The "Temporary Control" concept is unique.
It refers to sovereign Palestinian land that will remain
under Israeli military and civil control for an indefinite time.
This area too contains settlements, some of them are the most
extreme zealots. It is very unlikely that Israel will evacuate them
in, say, 50 years time.







This left the Palestinians with what some people call:
"Barak's Generous Offers"...



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This is Barak's Generous offer:

What appears to be territorial continuity is
actually split up by settlement blocs,
bypass roads and roadblocks.
The Palestinians have to relinquish land reserves essential
for their development and absorption of refugees.
They also have to accept Israeli supervision of borders
crossings together with many other restrictions.



This is no generous offer. It is a humiliating demand for surrender!
Barak's offer gives Israel control over all the border crossings of the Palestinian State.
No country in the world would accept that.
The words "territorial continuity" are deceptive -
No Israeli would agree to travel 50 miles from one town to another,
if the real distance between them is only 5 miles.

This impossible offer, Barak's imperious attitude,
the ongoing massive construction in the settlements,
Years of Israel's Delaying tactics and Sharon's provocation -
all these contributed to the inevitable explosion.
In December, no maps of the Gaza Strip were shown,
so we cannot illustrate Barak's intentions there.
At Taba, January 2001, Barak presented a much-improved map.
The Palestinians consider it a basis for negotiation.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

61. What Does The Final Solution Have To Do With A Two State Solution?

God help us....

[wrang_wrang]

63. An ideology that supports a Jewish State

that discriminates against, oppresses and murders non-Jews is not so different from an ideology that discriminates against, oppresses and murders Jews. That's why democratic ideals of equality are superior to ideologies of religious/ethnic nationalism that seek to maintain the racial/religious purity of the state.

[DaveinMD]

64. and all the Arab nations of the world

are democracies?

You are full of it. Israel is a Democracy. They are also fighting for their survival and always have since they became a nation. The Arab terrorists goal is to kill every Jew who resides in Israeal/Palestine. But you don't mention that.

[wrang_wrang]

67. Israel is a state for Jews that offers citizenship to any Jew

from around the world but denies citizenship to non-Jews even if they are born within the territory consumed by the Israeli state. Does that sound like a democracy to you? I guess it depends on your definition of democracy. The Palestinian Authority holds democratic elections, too. Do you consider them a democracy?

I agree that all Arab states, and other countries around the world, should institute progressive democratic reforms to ensure equal treatement for all their citizens.

The Zionist goal of maintaining the Jewish character of the Israeli state belies the democratic label that israelis like to use to define themselves. If Israel were truly democratic, then Palestinians would be given equal rights and the democratic process would distribute rights to all residents of the Holy Land. There would be less inequality, discrimination and violent resistance to an inequitable system.

There are Arab terrorists who having lived under Israeli oppression wish to eliminate the Jews from the Middle East. Likewise, there are Jewish terrorists who wish to expel or eradicate the Arabs from Eretz Yisrael. There are Americans who believe in the KKK, too. Does that mean that all white Americans should be denied their human and political rights because of the extremist views of a few? Your arguments are spurious, i.e. "you are full of it."

[Nadav]

73. have any mirrors in your home?

"Why bother discussing it with someone who doesn't see the world through your extremist lens?"

[wrang_wrang]

32. Zionists established Israel through terrorism

http://www.palestinehistory.com/massacre.htm

The history of Israel is replete with horrible terrorist crimes against the Arabs but you are blind to those. Why?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

59. It Didn't Take Long For This Argument To Become Ad Hominem

We could go back 2,000 years, we could go back 5,765 years.....


That's besides the point....



We have to pick up the ball where we find it....


Each side has it's own narrative and it's own monopoly on the "truth"


Wise men avoid that thicket....


If Israel absorbs all the refugees it will cease to exist as a Jewish state.... It will become an Arab state.... Jews don't fare well in Arab states...


P. S. I am not a Zionist apologist....

Kisses,


Brian

[wrang_wrang]

62. You are a Zionist apologist

You would rather see a Jewish state than a democratic one where everyone is treated equally.

[DaveinMD]

65. name the Arab

state that Jews are created equally.

[wrang_wrang]

68. Jews lived in almost all Arab states until the creation of Israel

Jews lived peacefully and prosperously in almost every Arab state for thousands of years from the Golden Age of Spanish Jewry under the Muslim era through the colonial era. It was only after Zionism, the European ideology of Jewish supremacy, was introduced and the Arab-Israeli wars increased hostility that Arab Jews faced persecution and discrimination in their home countries.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

66. I Rather See Two States,,,,,

A Jewish state and an Arab state.....

[wrang_wrang]

69. Because you are afraid of equality

You think Jews are so different from non-Jews that they deserve their own state. This is a prescription for endless conflict.

[treepig]

46. right you are

and a tool of the wsj and other assorted right wing nutcases . . .

. . . as shown by his willingness to accept the "saddam tried to kill my daddy" bullshit . . .

http://www.newyorker.com/archive/content/?020930fr_archive02

[nolajazz]

6. Wow. If Kerry had made such a statement, don't you think

he would be called "trator" by the Repbulicans?

[The_Casual_Observer]

8. It's too bad that Pat has to be the one to do it

I believe that this is the first time that the actual beef that UBL expressed clearly is being put out in the open in a looooong time.

Strange that chimp did the first one - leave Saudi

And would probably like to do the second one now

And had quickly come up with the "Road Map" thing for the third one.

So chimp won't "deal" with terrorists?

[rndmprsn]

13. public debate

yeah i agree its wierd to agree with buchannon on some select issues, but i'm glad at least he's starting the debate...i'm still trying to decide if his book...where the right went wrong...will be good or bad for kerry?

quoting UBL was a good comeback to russert's doubting question, kerry would have been hammered if he did just that.

[mistertrickster]

9. This is exactly right--terrorists attacked Russia because it invaded Afgha

nistan, they attacked our troops in Lebanon because OUR TROOPS WERE IN LEBANON--as soon as we get the hell out of those middle Eastern hotbeds and take a neutral stance, the terrorists back off.

It is a sad state of affairs that the only person the media will interview on the true causes of terrorist hate against America (and it's not just our support for Israel) is Pat Buchannan.

[Leilani]

45. The media interviews Buchanan, because he is willing

to say these things publicly, & no one else will.

There is a split in the Repubs between neocons & paleocons.

[Touchdown]

11. What was the shit Gingrich was spewing?

"We found all of Saddam's chemical labs"
"Chalabi has been cleared of any wrongdoing"
"A battalion of Iraqi troops trained a week"
the list of spew goes on.

Russert never countered, or demanded clarification. Is any of Newt's bile true...
aside from his name that he said correctly?

[Sydnie]

19. I heard him say that about the 12 labs too and thought WTF?

He has been bathing in the koolaid I think. I know that they found at least one lab but I also heard that it was a lab that produced insectacides for crops.

Just where were these 12 labs and why didn't I hear about them?

[spanone]

35. Truth has no place with the bushies. Repeat lie enough people will believe

That's why a huge portion of the population believes that saddam did 911. Lying Liars.

[randr]

15. Think hard about every world leader who has supported Palestinian

independence.
Assassinated or Character Assassinated.

[TeacherCreature]

17. I have little use for Pat, but he is right on this point.

Too bad the message had to come from a discredited bigot.

[grasswire]

18. the show repeats...

....at 1 EDT. I plan to watch it yet again. Buchanan is spilling a lot of info these days.

[mahina]

28. Some resources...

http://tikkun.org/
From their page: " We include in this call both the outer transformation needed to achieve social justice, ecological sanity, and world peace, and the inner healing needed to foster loving relationships, a generous attitude toward the world and toward others unimpeded by the distortions of our egos, a habit of generosity and trust, and the ability to respond to the grandeur of creation with awe, wonder and radical amazement. We are guided in our work by our belief in the principle of solidarity.
For us, this principle has spiritual roots in the Jewish commandment to remember that we were all slaves in Egypt; we believe that we are all harmed by oppression directed at any group or individual."


http://sabeel.org/

From their page: " It's an ecumenical center for Palestinian Liberation Theology which seeks to make the Gospel contextually relevant. In Arabic Sabeel means 'The Way' and also a 'Spring of Water'. Sabeel strives to develop a spirituality based on justice, peace, nonviolence, liberation and reconciliation for the different national and faith communities. Sabeel also works to promote a more accurate international awareness regarding the identity, presence, and witness of Palestinian Christians."

[ABB_now]

33. Did anybody see this?

Why does Rudy Guliani have to keep bringing this up?

I just saw this and its not good.

http://real.stream2you.com/rnc/RNC132004T.mov

Those repug liars really tick me off!!

[IndianaGreen]

38. Right on target!

Our foreign policy is what gives rise to terrorism. The problem is that neither party wants to change that foreign policy, particularly in regards to sucking up to the Likud and their friends in America.

[GOPAgainstGW]

48. Pat Wears A David Duke KKK Suit - But On This Subject 1000% Right On!

One of the members of our Group has extensive experience consulting Middle East diplomats.

Also read this thread on what a Middle East Expert told our Group. He scared the shite out of some people:

Republicans Skip RNC Bush Speech-See Fahrenheit 9/11 Instead
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x740187

AND READ THIS:

Why Bush-Cheney-GOP is Using SBVT Fraud Smoke Screen to Hide one
of the most important issues in this Country’s history:
Terrorism Policies Are a Massive Failure-Nuclear Terrorist Hit Next
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x665382

[IndianaGreen]

54. Pat Buchanan is correct 80% of the time

Pat is right about Israel/Palestinian conflict. Pat is right about NAFTA and globalization. Pat is partially right about immigration, his motives are the ones in question. Pat is totally right about Iraq.

The problem with Pat Buchanan is that 20% Nazi shit he believes in that trumps everything else!

[GOPAgainstGW]

71. YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT!! PAT NEEDS TO DUMP THE WHITE SUPREMACY BIT!!

Hell Pat had a full blown white supremacist working on his 2000 presidential campaign as a speech writer. He is also heavily referenced on KKK David Duke sites!

I am damn mad about the illegal immigration problem also, but there is a right and wrong way to approach it.

[liveoaktx]

70. video clip from show

Iraq War

Policies and Terrorism

[GOPAgainstGW]

72. Excellent - Pat is Right On the Money with his Comments!!!!!!!