If Bush's Secret Service knew there was a plot to assassinate Kerry,

[in_cog_ni_to]

would they do anything to stop it? If the CIA knew there was an assassination plot to kill Kerry, would they stop it? If the FBI knew about an assassination plot to kill Kerry, would they stop it? My husband threw these questions at me....and I'm not so sure ANY of them would try to stop it. What do YOU think?

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

1. I would hope

that the individuals in the Secret Service and FBI are patriots and not political shills. I know that there are many folks like that-I just hope the Secret Service agents assigned to Kerry are partiots and not shills.

[Fridays Child]

2. Yes. They'd probably be afraid that Hillary would step in...

...if anything happened to Kerry. And they KNOW she'd clean Chimpy's clock.

[in_cog_ni_to]

6. Good point.

:) The repukes worse nightmare. Hillary! :bounce:

[liberalnurse]

3. Yes they would.

They don't work for the President, nor do they serve at the pleasure of the President. Their job is protection and security of the assignment.


A real hero! Honor of the highest level.

http://www.axissecurity.com/


http://www.axissecurity.com/

Since joining the U.S. Secret Service in 1976, Mr. Holmes has provided security for the five U.S. Presidents and Vice Presidents, numerous foreign heads of state and other dignitaries as mandated by U.S. law or Presidential order. His assignments have taken him to 49 states and 36 foreign countries where he has secured embassies, palaces, airports, offices, hotels and travel routes without incident.

Mr. Holmes was selected to serve on the Secret Service Counter Assault Team (CAT), which provided an increased level of security, commensurate with worldwide terrorist threats, for the President and Vice-President, during their foreign and domestic travel. As CAT Team Leader, he supervised the day-to-day training regimen and worldwide travel of a six-man special operations team.

Mr. Holmes was a member of the prestigious Secret Service National Pistol Team for five years, during which time he won three national and three international competitive shooting titles and set six national handgun shooting records.

[NMDemDist2]

4. i'm sure they would stop it, they don't like chimpy either

and most of them are true patriots

[AlinPA]

5. If not, it means they could have him knocked off any time they wanted to.

I think they would resort to this is only if Kerry looked to them like a sure winner. Esp. with Ashcroft running the FBI. I wouldn't put anything past Karl Rove. I think the SS is a branch of Treasury or is it "Homeland Security" now?

[in_cog_ni_to]

8. That's my fear.

If Kerry looks like he's going to win.... :scared:

[RichardRay]

7. Pretty, sure of one, less of the others

I think the Secret Service would do it's job. Kerry already has his own detail, so it's not like the ones from the White House would have to hot foot it along the campaign trail to catch up with him. Sure, the agents on the president's detail do all kinds of weird shit for him, but they are not a Praetorian Guard.

I'm less certain of the FBI if the information was available only to top administrators. I think the agents in local offices would act, though. The CIA inspires even less confidence. If they thought they had a reason to ignore it they'd do so, and their ideas of 'reasons' are pretty ugly.

Richard Ray - Jackson Hole, WY

[Badger1]

9. Reply

I won't offer an opinion on the CIA or FBI, but I can tell you what I know about the Secret Service. I recently spent five days traveling with the Kerry campaign and had access to all areas. I spent alot of time with SS agents. The two lead agents are senior agents who usually work with the prez at the WH. They are real professionals and very dedicated people. During our initial briefings and back round checks the said that they have no political agenda and do not in any way show any support for a party or a person. It is their job to protect whoever they are assigned to and will do anything to keep them safe. I met and spent time with probably twenty different agents and I can say that everyone is a true professional. After Kerry left town we all hit the bars together and had a great time. They are wonderful professionals who take their jobs very serious. BTW, each is also a bad ass!

[liberalnurse]

11. That is a beautiful post!

Thank you.

[in_cog_ni_to]

12. Thanks for the "inside" story.

:hi:

[Monte Carlo]

10. I guess that would depend upon individual loyalties.

If it was to the law of the land, or to the office of the Chief Executive, or to W. himself.

Assassination is no small matter after JFK and RFK. No agency in this nation would EVER take anything like that happening again lightly. THAT would really force the agencies to change.

[zach]

13. If you're

going to post stupid stuff like, do us all a favor and take wes' picture out of your sig line. I have friends in the Secret Service and find this despicable. I have no idea what is with you people lately, but the amount of threads talking about the Secret Service around here is out of control. These are good people, and often cases people that view the world just as you and I do. They keep political ideals out of the service for a reason, so their judgments never become clouded. For you to sit here and think they would honestly WANT to see one of their protectees assassinated is absolutely the most absurd and stupid thing you can possibly say.

The SS is not a republican organization, it is an American one. Did you see anything happen to Clinton? No, the reason is because they respected him, and provided the same service to the office for him, as they do now for Dubya.

Posts like this make DU look crazier than freeperville, and it's honestly getting old.

- zach

[in_cog_ni_to]

16. It is an HONEST question!

If you don't like the Secret Service questions....Here's a CLUE.... Don't click on the fucking thread! Geezusfuckingkrist! What's with all the damn freepers invading DU lately? Bored with the freepers FR?

All you had to do is answer the fucking question. :grr:

[liberalnurse]

18. The poster is on target.

Take the feedback and say thank you for the insight and apologize for your spiteful tongue.

[in_cog_ni_to]

19. I will not apologize. Don't tell me what to do.

As I said before. It's an honest question.....which "I" didn't know the answer to! He saw what the thread was about and if it pisses him off to read HONEST questions about the Secret Service, FBI and the CIA....don't click on the thread. VERY SIMPLE solution to his and YOUR dilema.

[liberalnurse]

20. You obviously will do what you want....

Kind of reminds me of having to take the car keys away from the party drunkard.....

Have you looked at post #3??????

Your post is disrespectful, you insult others who have idenitified your obtuse thinking ...and your ego won't let you learn from your shortcomings....

[in_cog_ni_to]

21. And "You will obviously do what you want"

I DID read your post number 3. Your point is??? Oh, I see....Just because liberalnurse gave a response no one else has an OPINION. Thanks for clearing that up. :eyes:

My response to the other poster was for his tirade for my asking the question. The same goes for you. If you see a thread that's going to piss you off, don't click on it. OK?

It was an question that I did not know the answer to. Are you blind? Can't you read?

YOU are rude and disrepectful and your shortcoming is thinking YOU are the only person who has an opinion. If you don't like what I post....hit the "hide" button...OK?

[MaineDem]

22. Calling someone a "freeper"?

I understand both points of view but I think your response went over the line a bit.

The SS agents I've met, and one was killed at the World Trade Center, are dedicated public servants. As people have stated here, they have no political agenda. They'll protect their assignees regardless of political views.

I, too, am not that sure about the FBI or the CIA. I would hope they'd do their job as professionals.

[in_cog_ni_to]

24. DU has been invaded by freepers in the last 3 days.

Thanks for your reply. THAT is what I was looking for.

[zach]

23. Neat

So, I'm a freeper now because I think your post is ludicrous? Nice logic friend. To think that we sit here, and we wonder why we lose elections. It's because of people like you within our party, that are always looking for people's agendas and motives. I'm sorry, but the fact you think the hard working women and men of the secret service would have anything other than John Kerry's safety as their key motive, is simply pathetic. Maybe you should learn something about the agency and the people that work for it, before you start spouting any more stupidity than you already are. And as a contributing supporter of DU, please don't tell me what threads not to click on. Our party and our beliefs are in no way helped by threads supporting ideas like this.

- zach

[in_cog_ni_to]

25. Sorry, friend...

SHOW me in my post where "I" said "I" thought that the SS didn't have Kerry's best interest at heart. Show me. I never said that. I said "I wasn't so sure." BIG difference.

I asked a question and you didn't like it because apparently you know a SS agent. Sorry. I have a Special Agent step son... a State Police step sons and a TRIAL Attorney step son, but I don't fly off the handle every time someone asks a question regarding that profession. I won't get into the fact my husband and son are Jewish and the crap I have to read about Jews. OK?

My husband is one of the smartest men I know....HE didn't know the answer to that question....HE asked me....I didn't know the answer....hence, my post.

It's refreshing to know that YOU know what's in the hearts and minds of EVERY SS agent.

I don't know about you, but in 2000 had someone told me that the repuke party would purge voters from the voting rolls, I would never have believed that either.

I don't know about you, but had anyone told me in 2000 that the repukes would steal the election by sending the issue to the SUPREME COURT, I wouldn't have believed it.

If you had told me in 2000 that the idiot-in-chief would be president, I never would have believed it.

Had you told me after the idiot-in-chief STOLE the election that he would be complicit in 911, I never would have believed it.

If you had told me that the idiot-in-chief would preemptively, illegally attack another sovereign nation, I never would have believed it.

NOW, tell me I'm being ludicrous when I wonder what's going on in people's minds. OK? Sorry you took it so personal. It wasn't meant that way. It was a GENERAL question. K?

[Kagemusha]

14. The SS and all law enforcement's being abused lately

for Bush's political convenience, like ordering Max Cleland to cease and desist outside Bush's ranch and providing a platform for theatre against him, or cops playing "pied piper" to lure away media and anyone who looked like a protestor, lying and saying they were leading the people to the event.

But that's politics, not a murder plot. Even so, I hate seeing it.

[RevCheesehead]

15. I spoke with the guys in Green Bay last week

I asked if security was a serious issue in WI. They laughed and quickly said, not here. We went to speak with them, because they were near the playground where the Edwards kids were having a blast running around (they're so cute!), and we made sure to thank them for their excellent security.

The guy I talked to told me "we're not Secret Service." the two said they were from Philly and worked with a different agency, and were brought along to help out. I told them they were on the right team, and presumed they would be supporting the Kerry-Edwards ticket, they smiled, but did not deny my statement. (I expected "we don't have any affiliation"). They were pretty decent guys!

[madrchsod]

17. at the obama/durbin

stop there was at least one ss guy there..didn`t see him untill the last few minutes of the gathering..my daughter wanted to know if she should take his picture-i told her that wouldn`t be wise. they are to paid to protect who ever they are assigned to..