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MIMStigator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 12:19 PM
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Is Dean blowing his chance to become Clark's VP
Edited on Wed Jan-07-04 12:19 PM by MIMStigator
If he goes on the attack Dean might blows his chance to be Clark's VP and get the national security, foreign affairs experience he needs to be president.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 12:20 PM
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1. Like Clark said about himself...
...Dean isn't running for VP.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 12:20 PM
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4. Touche! n/t
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 12:21 PM
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6. *wink* n/t
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 12:24 PM
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13. Dean hasn't ruled it out.
You don't know that.
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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 12:35 PM
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24. Well
ONE of these guys should wise up (if it is more than rhetoric) to that possibility.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 12:20 PM
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2. highly doubtful that Dean would be VP for Clark
but then again stranger things have happened
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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 12:20 PM
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3. Dean as VP would drag down the ticket
I'm more about Edwards.
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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 12:24 PM
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12. Edwards makes a good VP I think
I'm not sure at all that he'd go for it, though - regardless of the President.

I could be wrong - my gut tells me that he'd rather return to tending his seat in the Senate for a while, before contemplating possible future avenues.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 12:26 PM
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15. Edwards isn't running for re-election this year.
He's giving up his Senate seat.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 12:21 PM
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5. Fine $5.00 to Clark campaign n/t
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 12:22 PM
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8. LOL!
Not a $10.00 one, like elsewhere? :P
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 12:25 PM
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14. It's a GOP economy. ;) n/t
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poskonig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 12:22 PM
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7. The "no VP" talk is standard.
All candidates say it in every election. Dean-Clark and Clark-Dean will remain viable options, regardless of the egos of campaign supporters.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 12:23 PM
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10. James Carville said...
... that denying you'd accept a VP nod is shorthand in the Democratic Party for saying "Put me on your short list". :P
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 12:22 PM
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9. Clark won't want him.
He'll choose a real Democrat for VP. Howard has already burned his bridges.
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 12:32 PM
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20. A "real Democrat"?
Could you please tell me when Gen. Clark became a "real democrat"? Until quite recently Gen Clark didn't know himself which political party he belonged to, so save the "real Democrat" crap, OK?
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PAMod Donating Member (651 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 12:57 PM
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28. That's rich.
Do mean a real Democrat like Wes Clark?
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fjc Donating Member (700 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 12:23 PM
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11. I think Dean..
might go to Bob Graham of Florida for VP. Don't know about Clark, but he'll need an establishment Democrat for VP. Perhaps Kerry? It's got a nice ring to it, Clark/Kerry.
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Douglas_Barber Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 12:26 PM
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16. Dean as VP?
If the purpose of the VP is, in part at least, to fill out the Presidential candidate's resume where it is lacking, Clark would be a great VP for Dean. But I don't think Dean would offer the same boost to Clark. It might deliver Northeastern liberal votes, but they are going to vote for the Democratic candidate no matter what.

Clark needs a seasoned statesman as his running mate. Who is that I wonder...
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MIMStigator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 12:28 PM
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18. VP'S are also attack dogs
eom
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afraid_of_the_dark Donating Member (724 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 12:28 PM
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17. I really think we need a woman in there
Too bad I'm not real thrilled with Moseley-Braun's voting record. But I think that Dean/Clark or Clark/Dean would be an interesting ticket...
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deminflorida Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 12:31 PM
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19. Dean and his Army are being defeated...
Edited on Wed Jan-07-04 12:32 PM by deminflorida
We are sweeping the field of him, and his army...we will water our horses in the Tennesee by nightfall...

Albert S. Johnson, CSA - The Battle of Shiloh.


V.P. is not even important anymore....he has been un-masked.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 12:34 PM
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21. LOL!
Remember which side won, Gen. Johnson. ;)
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poskonig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 12:34 PM
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22. That army is an asset.
Assimilating it would be a better strategy than "defeating" it.
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fjc Donating Member (700 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 12:38 PM
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25. This would not break my heart...
but I think its wishful thinking.
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Upfront Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 12:35 PM
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23. I Don't Think It is A Concern
You see, Dean is a Democrat.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 12:40 PM
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26. Dean has too much integrity
to be Clark's VP. Perhaps Clark should try to become Governor of Vermont to get learn the domestic and political experience he so sorely lacks.

Any ticket that includes Clark will alienate the base.
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MIMStigator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 12:45 PM
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27. Dean has so much domestic experience he had to steal Clark's tax cuts
eom
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 01:02 PM
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29. Integrity? Now that's rich. n/t
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adamrsilva Donating Member (636 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 01:38 PM
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30. DEAN WILL NEVER BE CLARK's VP
Clark would not offer it, and I doubt Dean would want it. These guys are in it to be President, nothing less.
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Adjoran Donating Member (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 02:28 PM
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31. Either of them would jump at it
since neither has a job to go back to.

BUT there is no way either would be chosen. It's simple math.

The nominee will have to plan for a close election. The VP selection needs to be someone who gives us a shot at winning a state or states we lost in '00 - a real shot, with concrete reasons, not just hype.

The ideal man for the job, no matter who is the nominee, would be Bill Richardson of NM. He's been in Congress, UN Ambassador, Sec of Energy, and Governor. His Hispanic background would help in Colorado and Florida, as well as nail down New Mexico (we only won by 500 votes last time). He's said he won't do it, but everybody says that.

If he really won't, look for medium-to-large states we lost by not too big a margin last time around. That could mean Graham for FL, or Gephardt for MO. Riskier plays would be Bayh for Indiana or Edwards for NC.

But you can all stop this Veep feud, because neither Dean nor Clark will be the #2 on the ticket, period.
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Hep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 02:30 PM
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32. LOL!
Youi know what will put the last nail in Dean's VP coffin? Winning the nomination.
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maxr4clark Donating Member (639 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 02:33 PM
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33. Not really, because

he didn't have a chance to blow. IMO Dean isn't VP material; the VP deals with the Senate and pulls political weight around, Dean as a self-professed Washington outsider would be a poor choice. (Clark has also said he wouldn't pick Dean.)

If Kerry doesn't win the nomination, he's my preference for VP--among the major candidates. If Kerry does win the nomination, he shouldn't pick Dean or Clark; as stated above I don't think they're right for the job. Maybe he could pick Gephardt?
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 02:37 PM
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34. If Dean doesn't win the nomination my dream is dead
My cynicism will reemerge and my hope for America will be kaput.

Clark's dream is not mine and he simply does not believe in the change that I think is needed in this country and in my party.

I'll probably vote for whoever wins the nom, but my heart will be out of this campaign as will my money and my efforts. I'm not giving my all for what I see as pretty much status quo in the areas that I feel strongest about.

That is why I will do whatever I can to make sure Dean wins. I really do feel he is the only hope for the future that I desire.
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Melinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 02:42 PM
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35. Bwhahahahahhahaha!!!!!!!!
OMG, I laughed so hard when I read the topic I snorted coffee right outta my nose!!! Thanks for the hoots and giggles Mim -bwhahahahahah!!!!!!! :hi:
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