Moveonforamerica .org - releasing Willie Horton type ads against Kerry

[ariesgem]

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The first ad will feature John Kerry’s role as a private attorney in 1982, when he secured freedom and parole for his client George Reissfelder who pled guilty to attempted murder of a police officer, bur never served his 15-year sentence because Kerry successfully secured his parole. The parole was in Florida because Mr. Kerry’s client had escaped during a furlough, just like Willie Horton. Once a free man, thanks to John Kerry, Kerry’s would-be cop killer client brazenly continued his life of crime as part of a Mafia-controlled drug ring.

The second ad, which will be aired at a later date, will feature the political alliance John Kerry has forged with Al Sharpton, focusing on Mr. Sharpton’s history, which was rarely mentioned during his 2004 run for president. Instead of the charismatic and witty Sharpton seen during his presidential bid, Americans will be educated about the real Al Sharpton, who recently blamed America for the 9/11 terrorist attacks, the Sharpton who called Adolph Hitler “a great man”; the Sharpton who urged college students to kill police officers; and the Sharpton leading the picketing of a white-owned store in Harlem , resulting in the store being burned down by one of Sharpton’s followers, killing seven people. The ad will include footage of Sharpton in his own words, and Mr. Kerry’s hinting of Shartpon becoming part of a Kerry administration. >>>>>>>

http://moveonforamerica.org/

Link to Al Sharpton Video: http://moveonforamerica.org/kerry_sharpton.mov

Link to "Willie Horton" video: http://moveonforamerica.org/kerry_reissfelder.mov

I hope Kerry and THE REAL MoveON hits back HARD! They have plenty of material on *bush.

[JayEEE]

1. WTF

This is truly disturbing!

[rumguy]

2. Released on the internet?

Or do they actually have enough money to put them on TV?

[rumguy]

7. I read the site - they say they will run them in DC and in swing states

Interesting how they say "just like Willie Horton" - Bwahahahahaha!

What fools!

[ariesgem]

10. More ads to come....

"Later ads will feature John Kerry’s raising political funds from known leaders of the Cali drug cartel, as well as other unethical behavior by Kerry regarding his finances when he was dead broke between his two marriages."

This is crap is getting tired. They're beginning to look SO desperate. I hope Kerry's new team is prepared to get down and dirty.

[GiovanniC]

40. In DC? Seriously?

Are we talking about the same DC that votes over 80% Democratic? What's the point?

[rumguy]

41. I wondered that too

I guess it's to get the movers and shakers to take notice of the issue.

When mediamatters.org ran its anit-Limbaugh ad, they ran it in DC.

[pacalo]

3. This is small potatoes compared to the crook in the WH. Good grief.

[ariesgem]

19. I would like to see

the left-leaning 527 groups put together mini F911 type ads to frame a complete picture of who *bush really is, what he really stands for and what he's doing to this country. There are so many video/audio clips to choose from. They should use the video clips that the news media decided to edit from their programs as to not to "embarrass the pResident".

[Onlooker]

4. Moveon.org will probably respond with a sweet ad

Too bad none of the progressive 527s have the guts to go after Bush by way of association. After all, he's associated with many different Saudis, some of whom are linked to Osama bin Laden. But, no, chances are Moveon and others like it will run some sort of upbeat ad. I've stopped giving money to any orgs until I find one with some guts.

[xray s]

6. F911 has it covered

I hear Moore has an extra 100 minutes of stuff on the DVD

[Guaranteed]

14. Oh, that'll be so sweet...

It'll blow up all over again.

[ariesgem]

15. When will the video be released?

[xray s]

17. early October release

Plus, Michael Moore is withdrawing F911 from Oscar considerations because he is attempting to get F911 broadcast on TV before the election. (A film can't be broadcast before the Oscars or it forfeits the right to be considered)

[ariesgem]

20. Thanks

I saw F911 twice. I can't wait to see the 100 minutes of additional footage.

[AspenRose]

38. I heard on the radio this morning that wasn't the case

I heard that MM was going to switch his consideration in Oscar category from being in contention for Best Documentary to Best Picture.

Now I'm confused.

See here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x806019

[Carla in Ca]

18. I'll bet the interview with Porter Goss

will be in the expanded version.

[BeatleBoot]

5. Yaaawwwnnnn!

:boring:

[delhurgo]

8. These are ridiculous, incredibly amateurish ads that if they are run

will either backfire or have no impact. The Sharpton ad seems to try to create some kind of connection to Sharpton when all Kerry has said is that he'll work with him. Gimme a break. People will see right through it. People know both parties have extremes.

The second ad is about a case when Kerry was a defense atty 20 years ago. The guy was a creep but that was Kerry's job, to defend him - and he did shoot at a cop, but missed, lol. Kerry was a prosecutor too. And the attempt to tie it to Willie Horton is laughable, why cause they're both criminals? People aren't that stupid.

This MoveOnAmerica is dumber than I thought.

[ariesgem]

12. I hope your right

There are 52% of likely voters (according to cnn's poll) that approve of *bush. I'm beginning to think that people ARE that stupid. :scared:

[shockingelk]

23. it could be a prank or scam

The site says it will be taking donations via credit card.

Could be someone scamming right-wingers.

Does anybody know if there's a 527 with that name?

[NewJeffCT]

29. are you kidding?

All the cable news folks will give it round the clock attention for the next 3-4 weeks.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

9. Why don't we work with some facts?...

Looks like Reissfelder was wrongly convicted, and Kerry got him out of prison.

<http://www.amnesty133.org/ai/actionteams/dp/mistake.htm>

"George Reissfelder - convicted: 1967
A 1966 payroll heist at Boston's South Station led to the shooting death of railway clerk Michael Shaw. Prosecutors sought the death penalty against "Silky" Sullivan, who had been identified by witnesses, and Reissfelder, who had virtually no evidence against him. By the time of the trial, police knew that Reissfelder was not Sullivan's accomplice but did not want to say so because that revelation could jeopardize the prosecution of Sullivan. Both were convicted and sentenced to life in prison. Several years later, attorneys were able to find reluctant alibi witnesses for Reissfelder, a Boston police officer who had learned of the fraudulent prosecution, as well as deathbed testimony from Sullivan clearing Reissfelder. Released: 1982."

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As far as Sharpton is concerned, he's no longer running for President, is he? Here's something else you might want to know about Al Sharpton...his funding by a rightwinger:

A GOP trickster rents Al Sharpton
The pompadoured preacher's alliance with a right-wing operative may delight conservatives but should disgust his constituents.
<http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2004/02/03/sharpton/index_np.html>

"In the twilight zone of political chicanery, operatives often cooperate across ideological lines. Whenever their interests coincide, seasoned mischief-makers can set aside superficial disagreements to harass a common enemy. To anyone familiar with the buccaneering careers of Al Sharpton and Roger Stone, their convergence in the 2004 presidential campaign is not quite as "unlikely" as the New York Times suggested in a headline last week. Indeed, the alliance between the conservative consultant and the pompadoured preacher makes perfect sense."

[sandnsea]

21. Reissfelder article

http://www.amnesty133.org/ai/actionteams/dp/g_reissfelder.html

[NYC Liberal]

11. Waaaaaay too long

:boring:

[elsiesummers]

13. They open up the Kerry prosecutor/tough on crime angle

Kerry can fire back with the number of convictions he achieved - they would be wise not to open this door.

I also think this is part of why Kerry hasn't concentrated on this - must have known this would show up and give him an openning for a good offence.

[bluestateguy]

16. Racist, innacurate ads

They never cite anything, not even newspaper headlines, that's how pathetic they are. They also seek to tap into latent racist beliefs by exploiting racial stereotypes, but without the explicit racist rhetoric--a common conservative tactic for the last 40 years.

I now hope that if John Kerry becomes president he will create something like a Left-wing COINTELPRO to keep track of these fuckers.

[NightOwwl]

22. Guarantee these will be duds.

People who were looking for an excuse to oppose Kerry got their fix with SBL (which had the financial backing and support of RoveCo.)

This is just pure and simple desperation.

[KharmaTrain]

24. Here We Go Again...

Sorry kids, I don't like this one much.

First, this group needs to buy just one commercial...only one, and it can be aired endlessly on ALL the cable channels 24/7. And if you don't think they will...think again. Then when the networks tire, there are still plenty of deep pockets in the dark realm of the Scaiffe/PNAC/VWRC group...as we saw by the Slimeboaters...so bank on these spots getting on the air and often.

Yes, this is a very standard GOOP tactic...steeped in racism and will be over simplified meme of Kerry's weak on crime and so on...and sadly, some of this will stick. Doesn't have to be true or not...it's who yells loudest. The GOOP is very, very, very good at this...and their base eats this stuff up.

Team Kerry must be prepared to hit back hard and hope for the best. With few friends in the media, this has to be shown as a pattern of GOOP dirty tricks and hope people are finally sick and tired of this crap. I'm not sure that's the case.

[bklyncowgirl]

25. Don't dismiss these attacks like we did Swift Boat

Yup these are lying racist ads and probably crappy production quality and anyone who has the slightest knowledge of the facts will see right through them.

Guess what, most people have zero knowledge of the facts and many are easily swayed by racist appeals. I know for sure that tying Al Sharpton around Kerry's neck will hurt Kerry with quite a few voters in New York City.

Don't think this sort of thing works, Let's see, how's President Dukakis doing these days.

Attack attack attack

[ariesgem]

27. Let's just hope

I hope Kerry's camp and the left-leaning 527 groups are prepared for this and is ready to slam them hard! I believe the repugs are trying to drain Kerry's resources by making him defend himself against these lies.

[incapsulated]

30. Go ahead, diss the ads, just like you probably did the Swifties...

When they first came out. "Nobody will believe this" "But it's an obvious lie!" "Who are they kidding?" "Oh, please!"

I've said it before and I'll say it again; Republicans never make the mistake of overestimating the intelligence of the average voter. Or the bias of the media.

[incapsulated]

32. Sorry, didn't mean this as a response to this post! n/t

[NightOwwl]

37. Incapsulated, I think yours is a voice of sanity...

So let me clarify, I was never one to diss the SBL ads. In fact I was on my hands and knees begging for Kerry to come out fighting against them. I'm just saying sometimes Pubs have a tendency to overplay their hand, the Clenis to name a perfect example.

If however, they do catch on, let's hope Kerry's new attack-dog campaign can cut the insinuations off at the knees before they have a chance to pick up speed and do any damage.

[AspenRose]

39. I agree: Attack, attack, attack

Now is not the time to assume people will "know better" and ignore the ads.

We've already seen that people DON'T "know better."

[liberal N proud]

26. Is anyone supprised?

We are talking about the dirtiest bush er bunch of crooks this country has ever seen.
Nixion could only dream of such fortune as to have the backing of an entire party like these crooks.

[Larkspur]

43. No, I'm not surprised

Power is what these goons want and they know how to street fight for it.

[MrBenchley]

28. That's the mark of a campaign

that's in BIG trouble....and I suspect it's going to backfire even worse than the slime boat campaign did...

[incapsulated]

34. The Swifties backfired?

Coulda fooled me. Did Dubya slide in the polls when I wasn't watching? Did Kerry get back the support of the vets he lost and gain some too? Are they not going to use the millions they now have in donations to do ads up till the election, because they are such a flop?

[MrBenchley]

36. It sure did....

Why do you suppose Limbaugh is telling his ignorant dittoheads the Clintons are behind it?

[snippy]

31. Kerry should not wait to react to these ads, he should be proactive.

He needs to say that Bush can be expected to have some more newly formed groups run ads containing lies and smears against Kerry because Bush has always had newly formed groups run ads containg lies and smears against his opponent. It is the trademark signature of a George W. Bush campaign.

[merbex]

33. It is the trademark signature of a George W. Bush campaign.

Joe Lockhart said nearly this EXACT thing on Stephanopoulos.Sounds like we have this angle covered,if we can get everyone to stay on this message

IT IS A TRADEMARK SIGNATURE OF A B* CAMPAIGN

[gasperc]

35. agreed

:beer:

[ariesgem]

42. I hope Kerry finds a way to respond to these attacks

without draining his money producing counter attack-ads. I really think that is the goal of the *bush team. Our 527 groups should be the pit bulls and should get down & dirty in the mud while keeping Kerry above the fray.

[buycitgo]

44. snippy said it right just above.......they have to get out in FRONT

of this, say over and over and over that the fundament of the pug campaign will be NOTHING but ads like those of the swiftliars, AND the reason for this is that they have nothing positive upon which to run

they need to craft this very carefully, and hammer it, so that ANY ad put out by the pugs will be seen as nothing but the lowest form of sleazy propaganda

course, if I'm right, they won't do this, cause they don't seem to realize what they're up against

pre-emption is KEY here

how best to go about it?

ideas?