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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 08:56 AM
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9/7 KERRY: 284 EV, 50.34% POPULAR VOTE, 71% WIN PROBABILITY
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kevin881 Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 09:00 AM
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1. yesterday you said he was at "rock bottom"
Does it still go up from here? His probability was better yesterday!
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 09:15 AM
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2. I guess my timing was wrong. I'm not a seer. But he WILL rebound.
It's only a question of how soon.

I suspect we'll be smiling two weeks from now.
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nodictators Donating Member (977 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 09:55 AM
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3. TIA, drop the "win probability", keep the EV
The margin of error used by the pollsters is based on only their sampling error. There are many other errors in polls, such as over-weighting the Repubs, as we have seen in the now-infamous, recent Time poll.

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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 10:14 AM
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5. The probability analysis is a key result of the model/simulation.
By utilizing all state and 15 national polls, the model overcomes many of the problems associated with outliers. Indeed, that is what makes the model unique.
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 10:11 AM
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4. Hey TIA, could you put this in English for the non-mathematicians
I've always relied on http://www.electoral-vote.com/ to get my sense of how the election is shaping up. I don't understand how Kerry can have such a large win probability when he's behind in the electoral polling.

Thanks
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 10:29 AM
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6. Kerry is ahead. His average EV is 284 (for 5000 simulation trials).
Edited on Tue Sep-07-04 10:34 AM by TruthIsAll
This assumes the base case in which he gets 60% of the undecided vote.

Kerry can win with less than 50% of the popular vote since his strong states ((NY, CA, IL, NJ, etc) are richer in electoral votes. On the other hand, it's extremely unlikely that Bush can win with less than 50%.

I use latest state polling data from electoral-vote.com and employ Monte Carlo simulation using state probabilities (calculated from the polls)to generate thousands of potential electoral combinations.

The problem is to calculate the probability of Kerry getting over 270 EV. This is a much stronger result than just adding up the latest state polls to determine who is leading. It's more complicated than that.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 10:32 AM
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7. great news..talking to people...Kerry is winning hands down
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 01:13 PM
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8. National and state polls agree: less than one percent
difference bewteen Kerry and Bush.

Bush has shot his load; he had a free ride in August. No ads from Kerry, swift boat garbage, the Repuke convention.

And there's only a ONE percent difference between them.

Kerry is in a great position to close the deal.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 01:15 PM
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9. you said yestersday that 80% was the low
wink
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 08:08 PM
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10. With 50% of the Undecideds We Probably Lose, by your model
in all your previous runs, we could still win with that.

"Voters" who are undecided at this point are more likely to stay home than to
vote for Kerry. 60% is really optimistic, even though it may have been common
for challengers to do that well in the past, when we had a free press. It is no
longer possible for opposition candidates to get any significant airtime.

We need to find more Democratic voters, somewhere.

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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 08:29 PM
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11. You are assuming that Kerry stays where he is now; he won't.
When he gets back into the lead (2-3%) he can win with less than 50% of the undecided.
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