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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 03:45 PM
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New Bush AWOL discovery
He was AWOL between Aug 6 and Sept 11, 2001

he had somebody read that PDB to him, and went fricking FISHING

he and Tenet communicated once, possibly, while he was in Texas, despite Tenet running around with his hair on fire for months preceding that

why have the dems refused to make that an issue?

I can see why they're reluctant, but what about the 527s?

where's all that money being spent?

if it's been over 60 million, they SURE haven't gotten ANY mileage out of the liberal media, have they?

especially when compared to the Swiftliars

so, does that mean the ads have to be particularly outrageous?

well...how about something on the administration's complete inaction on the Aug 6 PDB?

any ideas for a commercial/series thereof?

or is it just too contro?
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 03:47 PM
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1. this is also the thing upon which dem surrogates must never relent
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cheshire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 03:48 PM
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2. To many question man
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 03:56 PM
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3. could you try that again in English, please?
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 04:11 PM
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4. and whatever happened to Condi?
where was SHE during the convention?

isn't that bright, shining jewel in the crown of the junta going to be out there reminding us what a magnificent job they've done?

“By no means did he ask me to act on a plan…. I don’t remember the al Qaeda cells as being something that we were told we needed to do something about…. The responsibility for the FBI to do what it was asked was the FBI’s responsibility…. If there was any reason to believe that I needed to do something or that Andy Card needed to do something, I would have been expected to be asked to do it…. There is no mention or recommendation of anything that needs to be done about them.”
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belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 04:13 PM
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5. Cheney's latest would be the perfect opening for Kerry to hit back hard
with this. "Think we'll get hit again? You're saying you'll be on the job? You sure weren't last time..."
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 04:16 PM
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6. really......that was unbelievably stupid on his part
how can they be so arrogant?

perhaps cause they know the media won't give the Kerry camp the ability to respond in kind?

remember the swift boats

just wait and see if you EVER see the new ad from Texas re: Bush in Alabama

care to place a bet on the coverage that gets?
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 04:18 PM
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7. I sure would like to see some clipped versions of Uncovered
Edited on Tue Sep-07-04 04:20 PM by buycitgo
released as 527 ads

containing info like this, from Larry Johnson:

Are George W. Bush and Condoleezza Rice really as clueless as they are claiming to be? Bush and Rice are both on the record misstating what was in the 6 August 2001 PDB (Presidential Daily Briefing). They both insist the information was only "historical" and "not actionable." They apparently are not alone in their faux ignorance. Republican partisans and even some members of the media are busy bolstering the spin that this was "an historical memo." Absolute nonsense!

I wrote about 40 PDB's during my four-year tenure at the CIA. This particular PDB article was written in response to a presidential request. I am told that Bush's request was a reaction to the intelligence warnings he was hearing during the daily CIA morning briefings. Something caught his attention and awakened his curiosity. He reportedly asked the CIA to come back with its assessment of Bin Laden's intentions. The CIA answered the question - Bin Laden was targeting the United States.

The PDB article released Saturday is a classic CIA response to such a request. It lays out the historical and evidentiary antecedents that undergird the analyst's belief about the nature of the threat and provides current intelligence indicators that reinforce the basic conclusion of the piece - i.e., Bin Laden was determined to attack the United States. It is true that the piece did not contain specific details about the plot that was launched subsequently on 9/11. However, the details that are included in the piece are so alarming that anyone familiar with the nature of Bin Laden and Al Qaeda should have asked, "What are they planning and what can we do to stop it?"

Remember the furious attacks against Richard Clarke during the past month? Now that we have seen the content of the PDB we know he was telling the truth when he said that President Bush and Condoleezza Rice did not make fighting Al Qaeda a priority prior to 9/11.
At a minimum, the details in the 6 August PDB should have motivated Rice to convene a principals' meeting. Such a meeting would have ensured that all members of the president's national security team were aware of the information that had been shared with the president.
George Bush should have directed the different department heads to report back within one week on any information relevant to the Al Qaeda threat. Had he done this there is a high probability that the FBI field agents concerns about Arabs taking flight training would have rung some bells. There is also a high probability that the operations folks at CIA would have shared the information they had in hand about the presence of Al Qaeda operators in the United States. While Condoleezza Rice is correct that there was no "silver bullet" in that PDB, she conveniently ignores the huge pieces of the puzzle that were in the hands of various members of the U.S. government.

None of these steps were taken. Bush was on vacation and Condi - the smartest woman in Washington, we are told - was asleep at the switch.


http://www.fourwinds10.com/news/05-government/C-fraud/03-bush/2004/05C3-04-27-04-decoding-the-PDB.html
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 04:40 PM
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8. I'm with you, buycitgo!
The 527s burned up a lot of dough and for what? Bush is incompetent, at best -- a traitor, most likely. Nowhere is that more visible and provable than what he failed to do to protect the nation.



Bush knew and he didn't do a damn thing about it.

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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 04:44 PM
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10. exactly! ONE ad by them yields PRICELESS, endless media play
the only reason it did was because of its outrageousness; its outrageous FALSEHOOD

the media were only TOO HAPPY to play along

HOW MANY dem 527 ads did you see discussed by major media?

we have the advantage of being able to tell the truth, though; the truth being infinitely more outrageous, more damaging than any lies the pugs can come up with

WHY don't they get this?

the more outrageous the better

they can be VERY nasty re: manner in which messages are couched, but, as long as they're TRUE, what difference does it make if they portray Bush as an arrogant, ignorant, lazy, bullying COWARD?

huh?
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 04:40 PM
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9. truth vs. lies:
In response to Richard Clarke’s book, Dr. Rice asserted, “the fact of the matter is the administration focused on this before 9/11.” (03.22.04)

Press Secretary McClellan claims that fighting terrorism was a top priority before 9-11.

Cheney: Bush “wanted a far more effective policy for trying to deal with and that process was in motion throughout the spring.”


in response, there's this:

0 – Number of meetings held by Vice President Cheney’s counterterrorism task force (which was created in May 2001)

0 – References to Al Qaeda in Dr. Rice’s 2000 Foreign Affairs article listing Bush’s top foreign affairs priorities

0 – References to Al Qaeda in Secretary Rumsfeld 2001 memo outlining national security priorities

0 – References to terrorism is Justice Department's top seven goals for 2001

0 – Number of National Security Council meetings held by Bush administration before invasion of Iraq was discussed (i.e., it was discussed at the very first meeting)

1 – Number of times the Bush administration mentioned al Qaeda prior to 9-11. This was in a notice continuing an executive order issued by President Clinton.

1 – Number of hours President Bush and Vice President Cheney agreed to allow in their joint meeting with the 9-11 panel.

2 – Number of National Security Council meetings on terrorism prior to 9-11 (out of approximately 100).

2 – Weeks into administration when Energy Task Force announced.

2 – Number of public statements by the Bush administration mentioning Osama bin Laden prior to 9-11 (excluding press briefings and press questions which would raise the total to 19)

4 – Minimum number of Al Qaeda millennium attacks thwarted by the Clinton administration (only plots to bomb Seattle, Los Angeles, Brooklyn and Jordan have been specifically identified)

4 – Number of hours Bush spent with Bob Woodward as part of his book, “Bush at War.”

4 – Months into Bush administration when aid to the Taliban was restored.

4 – Months into administration when Energy Task Force report was released.

6 – Months that it would take for Vice President Cheney to respond to draft counterterrorism and homeland security legislation sent to him on July 20, 2001 by Senators Feinstein and Kyl, as stated by his top aid.

6 – Months before 9-11 that Paul Bremer - current Iraq administrator and former chairman of the National Commission on Terrorism - claimed that the Bush administration was “paying no attention” to terrorism. “Bremer stated that the Bush administration would “stagger along until there’s a major incident and then suddenly say, ‘Oh my God, shouldn’t we be organized to deal with this.’”

plenty more
http://www.bushlies.net/pages/1/
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 04:46 PM
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11. you're on a roll, BCG!
(Why aren't we being paid to be campaign strategists??)
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 04:49 PM
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12. zackly.....somebody needs to get some ideas to Soros/moveon
Edited on Tue Sep-07-04 04:53 PM by buycitgo
unions

whomever

btw, Ch 11 here is playing a special on pugdogs in about a week!

just saw the ad last night

will tape

ha....

Pug's Life: The Dog-Umentary
A PUG'S LIFE: THE DOG-UMENTARY is a fast-paced, fun special featuring precocious pugs and their owners in California, New York and London. "Pug people" are passionate about their pets and readily admit to being part of a subculture. This tongue-in-cheek "dogumentary" features Frank, canine star of the blockbuster film Men In Black, a visit to Pug Hill in Central Park where pugs and their owners meet, visits to a posh doggy day care center and to the "Halloween Howl," where pugs get to express themselves by donning whimsical costumes. Perhaps the most poignant moments are scenes with therapy pugs working with special needs children. There is even the dramatic story of a prize-winning pug stolen from a trailer at a dog show who is fortunately rescued and returned to his rightful family.
R 9/19 4:05pm
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 04:53 PM
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13. Fishin' Accomplished
That about sums up the Bush series of accomplishments, including when he went fishing on his vacation in August, 2001.
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 04:55 PM
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14. that's a GOOD one! shades of MMoore
play up that vacation theme

it really is amazing that he's gotten away with STAYING in Texas, basically incommunicado from his intelligence arm throughOUT the month of August

remember, if you look back, they BRAGGED about him spending most of his "free" time then to ruminate, Solomonlike, over the exigencies of stem cell research

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briemann Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 04:56 PM
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15. The truth will come out.
Bush will be exposed for the liar he is.
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 05:06 PM
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16. welcome to DU! admire your optimism, but.....
what about this factor?



a very large proportion of the lies he's told were NEVER exposed four years ago

the media not only refused to expose them then, they MADE up stuff about Gore, as well as endlessly repeating the lies told by Rove, etal

what's to change the status quo?
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briemann Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 05:14 PM
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17. Thanks for the welcome.
True, they were not exposed 4 years ago. We have 60 days to expose them now.
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 05:20 PM
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18. media whores, plain and simple
We've all seen the pundits on local and national news programs, captivating us with their million-dollar smiles and their award-winning personalities. They are mostly white and mostly male and can be found on any television network, including the cable news channels. One thing they all have in common is that their news stories and commentaries could well have been written by the White House, the Central Intelligence Agency, a public relations firm, or a Hollywood entertainment writer.

They are the media whores.

Just as MSNBC seems slightly more palatable than the "fair and balanced" Fox News, some of the media whores seem more professional and believable than others, but all are bad for journalism. They do not ask the tough, probing questions that try to get at some semblance of truth and hold a politician's feet to the fire, no matter which party they represent; rather, their questions are shallow and mushy, completely lacking in political knowledge and context. Many times, their pale cheeks red, white and blue with patriotic pride, the media whores gush out in agreement with their sources. The effect of this is nauseating to the audience and the legitimacy of news suffers in the end.

Where are the stories that matter? Where are the stories that show us the devestating effects of globalization, malnutrition, hunger and disease? Where are the stories that show us the effects of homelessness, layoffs, factory closings, unemployment, poverty and high health care costs? Where are the stories that show us what other cultures are thinking and doing? Where are the stories that show us the reality of war, which includes tremendous human suffering, loss of limbs, blindness, decapitation and death? Where are the stories that show the world as it is and do not sugar-coat it or accept imposed government censorship? Instead, we get Britney Spears. We get Michael Jackson. We get the feel-good chitter-chatter of Katie Couric. We get the lies of Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh. We get a half-hour of network news each evening, with serious, professional, believable anchors. We get "if-it-bleeds-it-leads" news coverage from our local "newscenter." We get up-to-the-minute weather reports from our local "stormcenter". We get all the latest sports scores. We get game shows, survivor shows, crime shows, sit-coms and soaps out the wazoo. We get commercial after commercial after commercial and now, even, the half-hour infomercial. But why didn't we know how angry Osama bin Laden was about our military bases in Saudi Arabia? Why didn't we know what President Bush knew before Sept. 11 -- that terrorists were planning to use commercial planes as bombs?

After Sept. 11 -- as the Bush White House made its cartoonish war plans to "smoke evil-doers out of their holes" in Afghanistan -- the media whores aided this war policy without reporting or acknowledging any alternative courses of action or without investigating the historical root causes of the World Trade Center attack. The media whores have become propagandists for U.S. war policy and largely do not tolerate dissenting opinions. They have become whores for a government that supports "good" terrorism (when the U.S. does it) and condemns "bad" terrorism (when other nations do it). Before the "preemptive" war on Iraq, the media whores swallowed each government lie about Iraq being an imminent threat to the U.S., possessing weapons of mass destruction, and supporting Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda. No serious debate. No discussion about the 1983 handshake and meeting between Reagan's special envoy Donald Rumsfeld and Saddam Hussein, which took place after Hussien had used chemical weapons. No raised eyebrows. No probing questions. Only the smiles and personalities of these government lapdogs. Only flashy propaganda graphics and entertainment.
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:GkY-Qoswl58J:www.newhumanist.com/mediawhore.html+media+whores&hl=en

the real enemy
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 05:46 PM
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19. why aren't the dems DOING something about this? in their own words:
Edited on Tue Sep-07-04 05:54 PM by buycitgo
An Opportunity to Set the Record Straight: National Security Advisor Rice Should Correct Her Misstatements About the Bush Administration's Record Before and After 9/11

As part of a concerted effort to undermine the credibility of Richard Clarke, the former Bush Administration counterterrorism czar who recently criticized the Administration's handling of the terrorist threat prior to the September 11, 2001 attacks, National Security Advisor Dr. Condoleezza Rice said, "This story has so many twists and turns now that I think he needs to get his story straight." While the basic elements of Clarke's assertions have been confirmed, frequently by President Bush and other senior Administration officials, a review of the record demonstrates that it is Dr. Rice who should set the record straight.

Condoleezza Rice's Misstatements About the Administration's actions prior to the September 11 Terrorist Attacks

Dr. Rice claimed that no one could have predicted before September 11 that terrorists would hijack airplanes and strike sites in America.

"I don't think anybody could have predicted that these people would take an airplane and slam it into the World Trade Center, take another one and slam it into the Pentagon. that they would try to use an airplane as a missile, a hijacked airplane as a missile." (Press Briefing, 5/16/03)



The bipartisan Congressional inquiry into the September 11 attacks "confirmed that, before September 11, the Intelligence Community produced at least twelve reports over a seven-year period suggesting terrorists might use airplanes as weapons." According to a news report summarizing the joint inquiry's findings, "intelligence reports from December 1998 until the attacks said followers of bin Laden were planning to strike U.S. targets, hijack U.S. planes, and two individuals had successfully evaded checkpoints in a dry run at a New York airport." (Reuters, 7/24/03)

More specifically, "White House officials acknowledged that U.S. intelligence officials informed President Bush weeks before the September 11 attacks that bin Laden's terrorist network might try to hijack American planes." (Reuters, 7/24/03) On July 10, 2001, FBI agent Kenneth Williams sent his "Phoenix memo" to FBI headquarters in Washington, warning that several Islamic militants he had been tracking were enrolled in flight school in Arizona and recommending that the FBI sweep flight schools across the country. On several occasions, government officials from Germany, Italy, Egypt, Russia, and other nations warned the Bush Administration of possible imminent terrorist attacks against the U.S. Finally, Dateline NBC has reported that, on August 6, 2001, the President personally "received a one-and-a-half page briefing advising him that Osama bin Laden was capable of a major strike against the US, and that the plot could include the hijacking of an American airplane." (9/10/02)

Dr. Rice claimed that the Bush Administration had a military plan to attack al Qaeda and Taliban leadership prior to September 11.

"Through the spring and summer of 2001, the national security team developed a strategy to eliminate Al-Qaida - which was expected to take years. Our strategy marshaled all elements of national power to take down the network, not just respond to individual attacks with law enforcement measures. Our plan called for military options to attack Al-Qaida and Taliban leadership, ground forces and other targets - taking the fight to the enemy where he lived. It focused on the crucial link between Al-Qaida and the Taliban." (Washington Post, 3/22/04)


Dr. Rice claimed that the Bush Administration had a plan in place before September 11 to eliminate al Qaeda by using military force to target terrorist leaders.

However, President Bush did not approve the Administration's counter-terrorism plan until after September 11. Moreover, during a recent public hearing of the independent 9/11 Commission, Richard Clarke responded under oath to a question about whether it was accurate to assert that the Administration plan included military options. "No," Clarke responded, "it is not." (9/11 Commission Hearing, 3/24/04)

Dr. Rice claimed that the Bush Administration recognized that the terrorist threat was, "both important and urgent," and it did "everything it could" to prevent terrorist attacks on the U.S.

"What we did suggests that we thought it both important and urgent. We kept in place an experienced team of counterterrorism experts from the Clinton administration, whose responsibility it was to keep the Clinton administration strategy going. We did everything during that period of time that we could." (Press Briefing, 3/24/04)


According to President Bush, "I knew was a menace, but I didn't feel that sense of urgency." (Bush at War, Bob Woodward, 2002) According to Richard Clarke, President Bush's former top anti-terrorism advisor, President Bush "ignored terrorism for months, when maybe we could have done something to stop 9/11." Despite the fact that Clarke wrote Rice a memo, "on January 24th, 2001...asking for, urgently - underlined urgently - a Cabinet-level meeting to deal with the impending al Qaeda attack...that urgent memo - wasn't acted on." (3/21/04) Moreover, although President Bush's National Security Council "met formally nearly 100 times in the months prior to the Sept. 11 attacks...terrorism was the topic during only two of those sessions." (Associated Press, 6/29/02). Finally, though President Bush announced on May 8, 2001 that Vice President Cheney would "oversee the development of a coordinated national effort" to prevent catastrophic terrorist attacks, this effort never materialized. In fact, according to the 9-11 Commission, the Cheney Task Force "was just getting under way when the 9/11 attack occurred." (9-11 Commission, Staff Statement Number 8, "National Policy Coordination," p. 9).

Dr. Rice claimed that the Administration requested the August 6 Presidential Daily Briefing from CIA on the terrorist threat.

" had said to his briefer,`I'd like you from time to time to give me summaries of what you know about potential attacks.' And this was an analytic piece that tried to bring together several threads - in 1997, they talked about this; in 1998, they talked about that; it's been known that maybe they want to try and release the blind sheik - I mean, that was the character of it." (Press Briefing, 5/16/02)


With these words, Dr. Rice suggested that President Bush initiated the August 6, 2001 Presidential Daily Briefing (PDB) on the threat of terrorist hijackings. However, after CIA Director George Tenet testified that his staff's recollection about the PDB was that it originated with the CIA, Commission member Richard Ben-Veniste read this statement into the record: "The author of this piece and others familiar with it say they have no information to suggest that this piece was written in response to a question from the president. And indeed, it goes on to say that it was prompted by an idea from the CIA." (9/11 Commission Hearing, 3/24/04)

Dr. Rice claimed President Bush increased counterterrorism funding.

"The President increased counterterrorism funding several-fold in order to be more aggressive." (NBC Nightly News, 3/24/04)


According to the bipartisan joint inquiry investigating the 9/11 attacks, an FBI budget official informed the commission that "counterterrorism was not a priority for Attorney General Ashcroft before September 11, and the FBI faced pressure to make cuts in counterterrorism to satisfy his other priorities." The New York Times has reported that, before 9/11, the Bush Administration "proposed a $65 million cut for the program that gives state and local law enforcement officials counterterrorism grants" and "did not endorse F.B.I. requests for $58 million for 149 new counterterrorism field agents, 200 intelligence analysts and 54 additional translators." (2/28/02) Further, according to The Washington Post, the White House trimmed an FBI request for additional counterterrorism funds by almost $1 billion. (3/22/04)

Unfortunately, the Bush Administration's opposition to counterterrorism funding continued even after the September 11 attacks. The Administration cut the FBI's counterterrorism funding request by nearly two-thirds during debate over a supplemental appropriations package. Though the FBI requested an additional $1.5 billion to enhance its counterterrorism efforts and create 2,024 new positions, the Bush Administration requested only $538 million from Congress. And more recently, as The New York Times reported earlier this month, President Bush has tried to eliminate a $12 million request by the Internal Revenue Service (IRS), which says it needs the small injection of new money "to increase by 50% the number of criminal financial investigators" necessary to do its part in the fight against terrorism. ("I.R.S. Request for More Terrorism Investigators Is Denied," 3/31/04)

Dr. Rice denied that on the day after the September 11 attacks President Bush pressured his staff to come up with any evidence that linked Iraq to the attacks.

"I don't remember this meeting. said that the president pulled him aside. I don't know." (Good Morning America, 3/22/04)


According to former Treasury Secretary O'Neill, President Bush instructed Defense Secretary to draw up military options against Iraq at the Administration's very first meeting of its National Security Council in January 2001. This focus on Iraq evidently continued in the immediate aftermath of September 11. Richard Clarke stated that the day after the September 11 attacks, President Bush pressured him to find evidence linking Saddam Hussein to these attacks. Mr. Clarke said that despite the fact that he informed President Bush that we already knew who conducted these attacks - al Qaeda - the President insisted that he look again for any evidence that could link Iraq to these attacks. Initially, Condoleezza Rice and other White House officials denied that such a conversation ever took place. Just a few days later, however, Dr. Rice admitted that this conversation had occurred: "The president asked, I believe, though none of us recall the specific conversation, the president asked a perfectly logical question - we'd just been hit and hit hard - was did Iraq have anything to do with this, were they complicit in it?" (CBS, 60 Minutes, 03/28/04)

Condoleezza Rice's Misstatements About the War in Iraq

Dr. Rice claimed that Bush Administration sought a peaceful solution to Iraq situation.

"We're going to seek a peaceful solution to this. We think that one is possible." (CBS, 10/20/02)


"We are still in a diplomatic phase here." (ABC, 3/9/03)


In public, Dr. Rice stated on several occasions that the Bush Administration was seeking a peaceful, diplomatic resolution to the conflict with Saddam Hussein's Iraq. Yet Richard Haas, the Bush Administration's director of policy planning at the State Department, directly contradicted Dr. Rice's public comments, asserting that the decision to go to war had been made as early as July 2002: "The moment was the first week of July <2002>, when I had a meeting with Condi. I raised this issue about were we really sure that we wanted to put Iraq front and center at this point, given the war on terrorism and other issues. And she said, essentially, that the decision's been made, don't waste your breath. And that was in early July. So then when Powell had his famous dinner with the President, in early August, 2002, the agenda was not whether Iraq, but how." (The New Yorker, 3/31/03)

Former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill has stated that the decision to go to war with Iraq was made much earlier. In the book The Price of Loyalty, Ron Suskind writes that, with regard to war in Iraq, "already by February <2001>, the talk was mostly about logistics. Not the why, but the how and how quickly." (p. 96, emphasis added)

Finally, Time magazine offers the following glimpse into the development of the Bush Administration's policy toward Iraq in early 2002: "`F___ Saddam. We're taking him out.' Those were the words of President George W. Bush, who had poked his head into the office of National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice. It was March 2002, and Rice was meeting with three U.S. Senators, discussing how to deal with Iraq through the United Nations, or perhaps in a coalition with America's Middle East allies. Bush wasn't interested. He waved his hand dismissively, recalls a participant, and neatly summed up his Iraq policy in that short phrase. The Senators laughed uncomfortably; Rice flashed a knowing smile. The President left the room." ("First Stop, Iraq," 3/31/03)

Dr. Rice claimed that the Administration did not know of doubts about the sources and accuracy of its claims about Iraq's alleged nuclear programs.

"No one in our circle knew that there were doubts and suspicions that this might be a forgery." (NBC Meet the Press, 6/8/03)


When reports surfaced that President Bush's 16-word sentence in his 2003 State of the Union address regarding Iraq's alleged attempts to procure uranium from Niger was based on false documents, Dr. Rice feigned ignorance about existing doubts on the documents. Just over a month after Dr. Rice made this claim, however, the White House acknowledged that "the CIA sent two memos to the White House in October voicing strong doubts about a claim President Bush made three months later in the State of the Union address that Iraq was trying to buy nuclear material in Africa." (The Washington Post, 7/23/03) Furthermore, The Los Angeles Times has reported that "deputy national security advisor Stephen Hadley told reporters that he received two memos from the CIA in October that cast doubt on intelligence reports that Iraq had sought to buy uranium from Niger to use in developing nuclear weapons. Hadley said Tuesday that as the White House drafted Bush's State of the Union address in January, he did not remember reading either memo. But he said he should have, and he took the blame for the assertion's inclusion in that speech...Both memos were also sent to chief speechwriter Michael Gerson and one was sent to national security advisor Condoleezza Rice, Hadley said." (7/23/03, emphasis added)

Dr. Rice asserted the CIA cleared the President's proposed remarks on inaccurate Iraq uranium claims.

"There was even some discussion on that specific sentence, so that it reflected better what the CIA thought and the speech was cleared...Some specifics about amount and place were taken out...with the change in that sentence, the speech was cleared." (ABC, 7/11/03)


With the White House soon to acknowledge that it did have prior knowledge regarding doubts about claims on Iraq's attempts to procure uranium, Dr. Rice shifted tactics and said that the CIA cleared the President's "16 words." However, as noted above, the CIA had sent two memos to the White House months earlier casting doubt on the uranium claim. Further, just a few months before the State of the Union address, CIA director George Tenet persuaded Stephen Hadley to take a reference to Iraq's attempts to procure uranium out of an October 7, 2002 presidential address on Iraq's threat. The 2002 National Intelligence Estimate includes a dissenting opinion asserting that "claims of Iraqi pursuit of natural uranium in Africa are...highly dubious."

Dr. Rice made irresponsible claims about an alleged link between Iraq and al Qaeda.

"There is no question in my mind about the al Qaeda connection. And what emerges is a picture of a Saddam Hussein who became impressed with what al Qaeda did after it bombed our embassies in 1998 in Kenya and Tanzania, began to give them assistance in chemical and biological weapons, something they were having trouble achieving on their own, that harbored a terrorist network under this man Zarqawi, despite the fact that Saddam Hussein was told that Zarqawi was there." (CNN, 2/5/03)


Dr. Rice proclaimed - beyond any doubt - that a working relationship between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda flourished before the war.

However, President Bush himself acknowledged that "we've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with September the 11th." (September 17, 2003) Moreover, the New York Times reported three days before her statement that, "at the Federal Bureau of Investigation, some investigators said they were baffled by the Bush administration's insistence on a solid link between Iraq and Osama bin Laden's network. `We've been looking at this hard for more than a year and you know what, we just don't think it's there,' a government official said." (2/2/03)

http://democrats.senate.gov/dpc/dpc-doc.cfm?doc_name=fs-108-2-100
links on page

they have this great cache in their own back pocket.....do they realize it?
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 05:49 PM
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20. Who Owns the News?
There is one question that trumps them all:

Who Owns the News?

...and what has Boosh been doing for them lately?
and we know the answers to those questions.

We have to throw hundreds of millions at these Repug media companies
to buy a few seconds of airtime in between the hours of commentary that is
being ever more heavily seasoned with "talking points" straight from the desk
of KKKarl Rove.

Is it any wonder that we have gotten so little for our money?

> they SURE haven't gotten ANY mileage out of the liberal media, have they?
> especially when compared to the Swiftliars
> so, does that mean the ads have to be particularly outrageous?

No, they have to be ads that support Boosh.

> well...how about something on the administration's complete inaction on the Aug 6 PDB?



> any ideas for a commercial/series thereof?

> or is it just too contro?

The media is not on our side.
That's why any story, true or false, that hurts Kerry has legs.
Any story that hurts Boosh goes nowhere.


(PM me if you want a "Who Owns the News?" bumper sticker)
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 05:57 PM
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21. I'd love one! several, actually....will pay!
can't disagree with anything you've said above, either

the outrageousness has to be on dems' part, though, to get noticed

it's interesting that the ads pugs complain about now re: Bush didn't raise an EYEBROW when they came out, did they?

how could that be? cause the media never touched them?

do you have a link to your sticker you can put up here?

thx
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