Please don't stone me..please.

[Drunken Irishman]

I know I'm going to get shit for this, but someone posted this Obama quote and I searched, but the only evidence I can find on it are from right-wing blogs.

"To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists.”

It isn't bad, but I want to make sure it's a real quote before ripping into the person. If it isn't, then I can rip into him for pushing false quotes.

[cliffordu]

1. Never heard of it before. Looks like a freeper breakfast: Hog shit and garlic.

[Drunken Irishman]

2. That's what I thought.

And there is nothing on his site about it and Google only brings up right-wing blogs quoting it.

[cliffordu]

19. I thought I'd heard everything...Just goes to show...there are no limits to the

sewer that is the Freepster mind.....

[AlCzervik]

3. is this same site from yesterday that posted some Michelle Obama quote?

[Drunken Irishman]

7. Yes.

[AlCzervik]

9. maybe you should ask them for real sources instead of you trying to defend.

play offense.

[SidDithers]

10. Yup...

put the onus on them to prove the quote is real.

And if they can't, just call bullshit :)

Sid

[AlCzervik]

11. that's where i'm at with my sil, sources, real ones or fuck off.

just fuck off anyway Gin!

[4_Legs_Good]

4. Everybody must get stoned!

Sounds like complete BS to me. In fact, he is pretty much known for making friends with people who disagree with him politically.

David

[kwolf68]

6. Everybody Must Get Stoned!

Cool...Dylans Rainy Day Women

[NoPasaran]

15. They'll stone you when you're posting on your blog

They'll stone you when you're lying like a log
They'll stone when you're trying to make a turn
They'll stone you when you're trolling for concern
But I would not feel so all alone
Everybody must get stoned

[Enrique]

23. nice!

:rofl: :toast:

[writes3000]

5. Sounds like a quote from "Dreams of My Father", talking about his college days.

I remember a passage like that.

[Drunken Irishman]

8. Was it taken out of context?

[writes3000]

13. What context?

The sentence sounds like the sentence I heard but it's been three months since I listened to the book on tape. I'm not sure what context you and your debate buddy are arguing.

The point of the passage was that he was trying to figure out his place in college since it was so different from his Hawaii upbringing.

It wasn't a deep analysis of his political aspirations or affliations. It was more about him feeling a bit like an outsider.

[uppityperson]

18. What context did that person use it in?

[cottonseed]

12. It's a line from his book, injected into the echo chamber 4 days before the election.

Looks like some of the nuts of been pushing it for months. Kamikaze bloggers are now picking it up. It's an honest discussion of his personal (non-political) feelings during college. I wouldn't even waste my time with it.

[yodermon]

14. It is an accurate quote.

From Dreams of My Father
Here it is, in context (via snopes.com) http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/ownwords.asp

She was a good-looking woman, Joyce was with her green eyes and honey skin and pouty lips. We lived in the same dorm my freshman year, and all the brothers were after her. One day I asked her if she was going to the Black Students' Association meeting. She looked at me funny, then started shaking her head like a baby who doesn't want what it sees on the spoon.

"I'm not black," Joyce said. "I'm multiracial." Then she started telling me about her father, who happened to be Italian and was the sweetest man in the world; and her mother, who happened to be part African and part French and part Native American and part something else. "Why should I have to choose between them?" she asked me. Her voice cracked, and I thought she was going to cry. "It's not white people who are making me choose. Maybe it used to be that way, but now they're willing to treat me like a person. No — it's black people who always have to make everything racial. They're the ones making me choose. They're the ones who are telling me that I can't be who I am ..."


They, they, they. That was the problem with people like Joyce. They talked about the richness of their multicultural heritage and it sounded real good, until you noticed that they avoided black people ...

To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets. We smoked cigarettes and wore leather jackets. At night, in the dorms, we discussed neocolonialism, Franz Fanon, Eurocentrism, and patriarchy. When we ground out our cigarettes in the hallway carpet or set our stereos so loud that the walls began to shake, we were resisting bourgeois society's stifling conventions. We weren't indifferent or careless or insecure. We were alienated.

But this strategy alone couldn't provide the distance I wanted, from Joyce or my past. After all, there were thousands of so-called campus radicals, most of them white and tenured and happily tolerant. No, it remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.

[Terran]

21. That is amazing...god I need to read that book

Fascinating on several levels, to me:

--That being both "black" and multiracial in America forces this kind of introspection on people;

--That he wanted to resist the solution offered by "Joyce", which was to embrace her multiracial background *except* for the black part (this attitude is not unusual, by the way); and

--That he saw through the essential shallowness of being identified merely by the company he kept. That shows a great deal of wisdom for that age (not surprising).

Of course, stupid people will zero in on the word Marxist and see nothing else there...

[grantcart]

16. Dreams of my Father page 100

The point of the chapter is to show that he is wrestling with his Identification as an African American and he didn't want to be understood as a sellout so he started along a conventional path.

As you read the book the author shows you how he doesn't accept the conventional understanding; white or black - conventional or radical and searched for a more personal inner meaning.

The passage is an example of Obama looking back on his earlier life with a critical and objective eye.

It is remarkable for its distance and objective eye. Pretty impressive actually.

[No Elephants]

17. It may be from his book, IF anywhere. Ask for a link to a direct quote by Obama, not a Pub

source. And/or type the entire quote into your search bar and see which hits you get. And if it is from his book, ask for context. Pubs are always quoting stuff from his book totally out of context.

[stevenleser]

20. Accurate quote used without the proper context.

Snopes has it listed in context as part of their efforts to debunk or add context to a series of other quotes here http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/ownwords.asp

It is around the fourth paragraph from the bottom

[Mariana]

22. There are e-mails floating around with fake "quotes" from his books.

In some cases, they are unrelated sentences put together to make them seem sinister.

Anyway, make the person who's brought it to your attention provide the source! If he can't, then shred him for being a gullible ass and believing everything he's told.

[progressivebydesign]

24. How many of these quotes are you going to post this week???

Seems that you spend an awful lot of time researching "devastating" quotes and posting them here.