Judy Woodruff interviewing BG reporter about missing docs.

[napi21]

He said the missing docs show that Bush didn't fulfill his obligation. Superiors looked the other way, and finally gave him an hon. discharge. Superiors knew and just let him go.

[cthrumatrix]

1. and CNN said they would investigate and report back?

[LiberalBushFan]

3. CNN will investigate

they'll report back as soon as they check Drudge.

[newsguyatl]

15. sadly you're not far from the truth there

[BlueStateGirl]

2. She seemed a bit uncomfortable. She kept asking

"Well, how did he get an honorable discharge?" She even boke out the infamous "Some people say..."

[napi21]

5. Yesm but the reporter did a good job of explaining, I thought.

The think that surprised me was that a Boston reporter was reporting negative things about shrub. Isn't this the paper that's always saying bad stuff about Kerry?

[Leilani]

21. In 2000, Boston Globe did some reporting on this topic...

At the time, no one else seemed to be interested.

I had the articles saved, & sent them to everyone I knew, including media outlets.

Nobody cared.

[Cha]

23. Thank You!

Good Job!

[mbali]

38. Maybe they see this as vindication - they broke the story 2 years ago

and NO ONE followed up on it.

[Beetwasher]

6. Indeed! How DID He Get an Honorable Discharge?!

How did he skip to the top of the line to get in the guard in the first place when he barely passed his test!

I think Barnes can give us a clue as to how he got in AND how he got out!

[Lindacooks]

22. Is 25% passing?

That's what I have heard his score was on the pilots test.

[Leilani]

30. Perhaps the Kitty Kelley book will add to our info

As to why the Bush family does not have to observe the same laws as the rest of us.

Maybe we will find out how a guy was a complete failure his entire life, in spite of advantages the ordinary American can dream of.

Educated at Andover, Yale, Harvard, he did nothing except party & bankrupt businesses, financed by family connections. By his own admission, he was drunk till 40.

[Generator]

7. Jeez Judy I ask myself the same question

Like how did this man get elected er selected for Prez? By ONE person with power. Amazing ain't it Judy? Cue music...I see trees of green and skies of blue...

[ItsMyParty]

8. Hey, Jude, you ignorant slut,

he got his honorable discharge JUST THE SAME WAY HE GOT INTO THE GODDAMN CHAMPAIGN BRIGADE IN THE FIRST PLACE---you simple minded Twit (revise that to: stop playing simple minded, Twit, because you know and we know that you know).

[caledesi]

13. Shut up Judy! She is SO transparent. Yeah, I caught the "some

people say..." :puke:

[shaolinmonkey]

17. The real question is...

How the hell did this moron get to be President of the United States!?

[kath]

48. Well, the goddammed mediawhores sure helped with that one!

If so-called journalists had done their job in 1199-2000 we wouldn't have been stuck with this asshole.

[russian33]

18. Some people say Judy Woodruff is a whore. Lets speculate

[dennis4868]

32. Hey Judy.....

good fucking question how he got an honorable discharge....ISN'T THAT THE JOB OF REPORTERS TO GET TO THE BOTOOM OF? WHY IN THE HELL DID A GUY WHO WENT AWOL GET AN HONORABLE DISCHARGE? DO YOUR FUCKING JOB FOR ONCE AND THEN GET BACK TO ME WITH THE ANSWERS!

[democrat in Tallahassee]

4. Bush Should have been sent to Nam

I talked to a co-worker who served in the guard during that period -

-- He said it was know by all that failure to show up for guard duty was a one-way ticket to Nam...


...unless you are a favorite son I guess

[napi21]

9. Your friend is right. Some of that was in a post yesterday

refeencing these newly found records. I guess it was the penalty for not following orders.

And of course, you're also right on...it depends who you are!!!

[ItsMyParty]

12. Dem--exactly, that is what has made my husband a Nam vet so

furious about it all. He said it isn't as "how cute and simple as they are trying to make it". He said if you did anything to screw up while you were in the guard, you were immediately activated and sent to the front lines in Nam. Therefore, this bastard escaped the punishment along with the duty.

[Raenelle]

39. Send him now.

[thecrow]

50. Send him now...

naked and barefoot...!!

[dogtag]

10. Walter Robinson could use

a shot of adrenalin, but at least he got the facts out there. Judy seems very puzzled that Chimpy could get an honorable discharge if he didn't complete his obligation and Robinson didn't give any examples of how that could happen. He's a straight arrow and doesn't want to throw unsubstantiated rumors out there, but I wish he had said something to the effect that connections count. Chimpy's superiors didn't want to deal with Poppy.

[maine_raptor]

11. Sorry CNN, but this one can't be pushed aside

MSNBC, AP, ABC, and lots of print media on this one. CBS is going to have Barnes on tonight.

Nope this story have legs and will play a BIG role in the outcome of this election.

And it's all so simple, one little question to be asked over and over again:

Did President Bush fulfill his military obligation?

Hope Uncle Karl has his Rolaids delivered by the boxcar load.

[sundog]

14. spin, Judy, spin... witch

:puke:

[cthrumatrix]

19. they are in "pants full of shit mode"....shrubya is cooked

[Andromeda]

16. Now, Paula Zahn

is telling everybody that Bush is leading in Ohio and he is ahead by 8 points.

This doesn't surprise me because of all this bad news coming out about Bush now and CNN and their minions are desparate to put Bush in a favorable light.

After every revelation and negative ad about Bush they switch to Bush being "compassionate and caring" x( to Floridians wiped out by the hurricane.

CNN started to talk about Oregon's early voting and they cut it off in a hurry to get Bushes speech in Florida.

edited for spelling

[Cha]

24. Guess von zahn didn't see this one..

"CNN: OHIO TIED! Bush 48%, Kerry 47% Registered voters"


"Just reported on Inside Politics"


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x770908

[Lex]

20. The "honorable discharge" MUST BE INVESTIGATED!!!

That just has to be part of what is investigated.

That honorable discharge has Poppy's fingers all over it.

It will be as big a story as the AWOL aspect of the story, I hope.

[trof]

25. Here ya go:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2326189

[Catherine Vincent]

26. Yet another example of Shrubby getting a pass while others

don't for doing the same thing.

[sundancekid]

28. don't tell me that he's ABOVE the law! is it the same FIX for TX license?

[kath]

49. Yeah, what the heck happened to his Drivers License Records?

No one in the SCLM would go after this one, either

[trof]

27. I called Walter Robinson

the Globe reporter.
I got his voicemail and told him I was a pilot in the Alabama Air Guard and had some additional info for him.
Hope he calls back.

[Catherine Vincent]

29. Did you serve the same time as Dubya? Cool!

[trof]

31. '63-'71

Our time of service overlapped a bit, but I was out of the guard by the time he came to Alabama. No one in his supposed unit remembers him.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

34. So you know people who were there in '72-'73

wow. This is awesome.

[ieoeja]

35. The unit he requested?

Or the unit to which he was eventually assigned? I read back in 2000 that the unit he requested was full. After turning down that request it took the Guard several months to get back to him with a temporary assignment.

[LunaC]

33. Can you share that "additional info"?

I love being in on "scoops"!

[trof]

36. Sure, here's the whole thing:

I've been sending this out for over a year to anyone I thought would listen. I've posted it here a few times. The squadron W* was supposedly in, the 187th, was our sister squadron in Montgomery, part of the same 117th Wing that I belonged to in Birmingham, AL.

From the horse's mouth:
If I remember correctly, my Air National Guard paychecks came from the U.S. Treasury Department. We were paid quarterly. On the first month of a new quarter, we were paid for the previous quarter.

The Guard doesn't pay you if you aren't there to answer "present".
It should be a simple matter to see how much income Bush received from the Department of Treasury each year of his Guard obligation from his income tax records:
Total annual income from Air national Guard (Treasury), divided by daily pay rate for a 1st Lt. on flying status (base pay + flight pay), equals number of days served.
May have to be adjusted for time spent on non-flying status (which should NOT have happened, see 2 below).

You can do the math on how much he SHOULD have received, had he been present each time he should have been.
12 monthly drill week-ends a year
(1 day's pay for each 4 hour period) = 48 days pay
12 REQUIRED Flying Training Periods
(FTPs) per quarter X 4 quarters = 48 days pay
2 weeks Annual Summer Encampment = 14 days pay
110 days pay annually

Anything less for the six year obligation following completion of pilot training indicates no-show.

Three more points:

1. It's highly unusual that Bush was mustered out as a 1st Lt. If you kept
your nose relatively clean, you made 1st Lt. 3 years after your commission
as a 2nd Lt. Two years later, you made Captain. As long as you just put
your time in, it was automatic. That he didn't make Captain prior to his
discharge is very telling. Reason: He wasn't there long enough, not enough time-in-grade.

2.a. Failure to pass your annual flight physical is one thing.
Failure to show up for it is another thing entirely. It results in automatic grounding
and is a violation of Air Force and ANG regs. Refusal is subject to disciplinary action, including court martial.
2.b. ONLY a certified Air Force Flight Surgeon may administer a pilot's flight
physical. Not your "personal physician back in Houston", and not even the Mayo Clinic.
Not anybody who isn't a certified flight surgeon. They were available in Birmingham, Huntsville, Montgomery, Selma, and Mobile.


3. An Honorable Discharge is NOT "evidence" that he served his time. This
is just the butt-covering "talking point" used by him and his supporters.
It IS evidence that his commanding officers violated ANG rules and
regulations. Had they NOT given him an honorable discharge it would have called attention to the fact that they gave him a pass on his absences and pointed up a serious, punishable
dereliction of duty on their part.


NOW...you may think I've got some kind of burr under my saddle about
this AWOL thing. You'd be right.

Massey Lambard
Foley, Alabama
former Captain/pilot, 1963-1971
RF-84/F
106th Tactical Reconnaissance Squadron
117th Tactical Reconnaissance Wing
Alabama Air National Guard

[napi21]

37. I salute you Captain Lombard! I hope the Globe reporter calls you.

I think all of us here on DU should also send this info to CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS & NBC. If they get enough people contacting them, they will respond. Thank you again Captain!

[trof]

42. DAMMIT! It's LAMBARD.

Just kidding. It's a common mistake I've lived with for 63 years, so far.
Thanks.

[napi21]

44. I;m sorry. I screwed up, again! I sent your info to

Lou Dobbs & Chris Matthews. Buttered them up a little, telling them what fair and competent people they were, and would they make sure someone followed up on this info. I'm just a nobody, but I'm hoping I'm not the only one who sends them this same request, so maybe they'll listen.

Again, sorry about the name mistake!

[Cha]

45. Thank you, trof! For staying on this And

having a "burr under my saddle"!:D

You're the Best!

[LunaC]

47. Wow! Much appreciated! n/t

[kath]

51. trof, I realize you've probably answered this before, but when you got

out of the NG in 1971, were you issued a DD-214, or did the Guard use some other form?

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

40. Unless I'm wrong

you have to come up with a DD 214 to prove you were honorably discharged.

[Mountainman]

43. The DD-214 shows that you were discharged and where you served

It also shows the type of discharge you have. I think everyone gets a DD-214 no matter what type of discharge it is. It also shows the decorations you were awarded.

[gauguin57]

41. Bush owes us several months' military service.

SEND HIM TO IRAQ!

(As BullGooseLoony suggested on this board last night).

[Cha]

46. Really! That

fucker needs to be re-instated. They're calling up all kinds of older family men!

Can anyone say "back door draft"?..I knew you could!

[TacticalPeek]

52. Kick

:kick:

Bwaaahahahahahahah!

:evilgrin:

[kath]

53. kick