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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 02:21 PM
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McPalin putting all their chips on PA. Wouldn't it be something if they won it but lost the GE?
Edited on Sun Nov-02-08 02:22 PM by jenmito
They seem to think they can win PA. They're "closing the gap" by bringing it within single digits. What if he DOES win PA? He's ignoring so many other states that he needs to win! And most likely, he'll end up losing by 2 instead of 6 in the end anyway. Foolish move for them to put so much into PA. They may win a battle but they'll lose the war.
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 02:22 PM
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1. McCain has no choice.. He HAS to win PA and hope the other close states go his way
Without PA it doesn't matter what happens in the other states.
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 02:24 PM
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4. Which is why Obama should spend more time in PA
But that's just my opinion. I hope we're not kicking ourselves on Wednesday, saying that we should have just won PA. I know it's a long shot, but stranger things have happened.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 02:31 PM
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8. True. But even if he DOES win PA, he has to win every other Bush state.
He won't.
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 03:16 PM
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22. Agreed. But only hope is that Bush states fall in line, and gets PA
So McCain has no other option but to put all remaining time in PA.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 03:20 PM
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25. He's stupid to think all the Bush states will fall in line...
but then again, his whole campaign has been incompetent.
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BlueStateGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 02:23 PM
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2. He will not win PA. I can't see it happening. n/t
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 02:23 PM
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3. Because they have nowhere else to go...
Their only hope is to win PA, no matter if they are behind by an insurmountable number. Where could they go otherwise? :-)
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 02:25 PM
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5. McCain is harvesting the racist vote, but it won't be enough.
Obama has charted several paths to an electoral victory, and McCain will be left afterwards with the stench of his campaign forever in the noses of voters.
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 02:25 PM
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6. WHY do the Reps think they can win in PA when it hasn't happened
in a looooong time?
WHY this year when McCain is losing everywhere else?
WHY this year when McCain isn't polling in the same numbers as Boosh did in the last 2 elections?

It. Won't. Happen.
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ROh70 Donating Member (340 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 03:20 PM
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26. Same reason they thought Hillary Clinton supporters would go ga-ga for Palin.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 02:28 PM
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7. I think this is hillarious
media people are taking Virginia for granted and I don't think there's any way we can do that! To me, PA is a longshot for McCain. He needs to be after VA and send Palin to CO or vice versa. To me, that's how he wins.
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Lumpsum Donating Member (611 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 02:32 PM
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9. McCain HAS to win PA.
If he wins PA, then he has to win some other swing states that Obama is in the lead (I don't remember the off-hand).

If Obama wins PA, which I truly think he will, then it's over for Johnny.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 02:36 PM
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10. Exactly...
He also has to win CO, NV, and NM among others. It won't happen.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 02:43 PM
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11. McCain must win PA's 21 votes to win the election given that he is
losing in many states by a large percentage. I hear all the stories ablut "tightening", but I don't believe it. We have voted Democratic in every Presidential election in the last 20 years, we have almost double the number of Democratic voters we had in 2004, and a huge numerical advantage over the Republicans. If the voters turn out Tuesday, Obama WILL WIN.

mark
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 02:47 PM
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12. Thanks for the info. I'm glad to see you and others saying McCain won't win PA.
It's OVER if he doesn't and even if he DOES win it but loses any other Bush state.
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WritingIsMyReligion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 02:57 PM
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17. IA was Bush in '04, yes?
And now it's dark blue, I believe.

:evilgrin:
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 03:06 PM
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18. Yes...
yet the Repubs. keep saying it's TIED in Iowa. :eyes:
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WritingIsMyReligion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 03:18 PM
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23. They can keep saying it.
When it gives its EVs to Obama, they can cry. :)
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 03:19 PM
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24. And I can't wait
for that time to come! :)
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 02:47 PM
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13. STOP THE MADNESS!! PA. IS BLUE! Thank you.
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 02:52 PM
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14. 538 had an amusing piece up, assume you saw it, but if not
Edited on Sun Nov-02-08 02:52 PM by bunkerbuster1
from

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/11/pennsylvania-sanity-check.html

Suppose that Barack Obama were to concede Pennsylvania's electoral votes. Literally, concede them. Throw 'em back, like a Chase Utley home run at a Cubs game. How often would he still win the election?

...89.0% of the time, according to our most recent run of simulations, along with another 2.4% of outcomes that ended in ties. This is because in the vast majority of our simulations, Obama either:

a) was winning at least 291 electoral votes, meaning that he could drop Pennsylvania's 21 and still be over 270, and/or

b) was winning at least 270 electoral votes, while already being projected to lose Pennsylvania in the first place.

(a) was much, much more common than (b), obviously.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 03:10 PM
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19. Yup, thanks. And I wrote the same thing a couple days ago-
that McCain could win PA and still lose! I would kind of LIKE that to happen just to anger the Repubs. and have the analysts discussing how he failed to focus on all the OTHER states he needed-how he had a failed strategy. :D
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WritingIsMyReligion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 02:55 PM
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15. He has no choice: without PA, he loses.
I don't know that there is a road to 270 for McCain without PA, unless he wins New York or California or something.

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

In any case, his options fall squarely in that state. If he loses, I think the night is done.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 03:11 PM
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20. True...
I love McPalin's flawed strategy.
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 02:57 PM
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16. PA Belongs To Obama
Case closed.

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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 03:13 PM
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21. Judging by your nic, I believe you.
:)
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 03:36 PM
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27. They need a sanctuary, they will find none.
If there is NO friendly territory, they cannor spout off about ANYTHING.
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