Most Important Election News Today - NOT Obama

[carincross]

DemocracyNow!'s Amy Goodman interviewed election fraud expert Mark Crispin Miller this morning. He said that the most important election news is not Obama, but Mike Connell. Mr. Connell is Karl Rove's computer brain, and has been implicated in the possible vote rigging of the Ohio Presidential election of 2004. He has been ordered by a Judge to give a two hour deposition under oath today. The order comes as a result of an affidavit by Stephen Spoonamore, an expert in computer fraud detection. Spoonamore swears that Mr. Connell et al. used a "Man in the Middle" system to manipulate the votes. In his affidavit he pinpoints the time to around 11p, on election night, 2004.

What gives the story immediate relevance is the report by Bev Harris of Black Box Voting that she has reliable information that "Man in the Middle" systems have been set up in several battleground states. For instance, she connects the election system for Arapahoe County Colorado to the Secretary of State's Office through a connection to a private computer company. The connections were made public in a recent ethics investigation.

And Brad Friedman of BradBlog once again reminds us this morning that even though the Obama Campaign has 5,000 lawyers, the Dems are still asleep at the switch.

For more information go to the following:

Mark Crispin Miller's Interview: http://www.democracynow.org/2008/11/3/on_eve_of_election_day_is

Mike Connell Deposition - http://www.velvetrevolution.us/electionstrikeforce/2008/10/republican_it_guru_mike_connel.html

"Man in the Middle" system set up - http://rawstory.com//printstory.php?story=12597

Stephen Spoonamore affidavit (10/26/08) - http://www.rawstory.com/images/other/SpoonamoreOctAffidavit.pdf

BRADBLOG on Democratic Party inaction - http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6607

Bev Harris Report - http://www.bbvforums.org/cgi-bin/forums/board-auth.cgi?file=/1954/78437.html


Of course, none of the MSM is following this story. Mr. Miller reminds us how tragic it would be to wake up Wednesday morning and discover that John McCain was the president-elect. The MSM would report that while he lost the popular vote by a huge amount, he won just enough states to give him the 270 Electoral College votes he needed. Where have we heard this before?

At the end of the interview Mr. Miller offers some suggestions on how to blunt this attack on the vote.

[KaryninMiami]

1. Happy to be the first to recommend and kick. Listen up everyone-

We all need to pay attention here because although things look good- nothing matters until those machines get counted and as Brad has reported- 5,000 lawyers are nice to have- but they still do not get it about how widespread the fraud can go.

[glitch]

2. Excellent post K & R

with the exception of you last link (sorry).

[AllyCat]

28. Okay, I don't want to get flamed for asking a "stupid question" like I did

earlier tonight, but I don't have a lot of time to sit and read everything that goes down here. The last I heard was that Bev Harris was a charlatan. Is that no longer the case? And no, I don't have time to google and read about this stuff.

[The Doctor.]

32. In short;

For the amount of money she collects, she occasionally provides a useful service... but not enough to accomplish much.

[proud2BlibKansan]

41. She is not worthy of our attention

[jobycom]

73. Basically, if she said it, I assume it to be a lie.

That comes from watching her from the beginning here, and being taken in by her at first, and watching the lies irrefutably disproven.

[Karl_Bonner_1982]

84. TANSTAASQ

SQ = "stupid question." I'll let you deduce the rest.

[abbiehoff]

3. I hope the campaign is on this.

I don't want to have to riot on Wednesday.

[But....]

39. However...

we will if we have to:nuke:

[LittleApple81]

4. Does that mean that Obama's campaign does not know about this? Or that they don't want to do

anything about it?

[carincross]

5. Suspect they are unaware!

Several weeks ago a friend informed them of the voter purges in Colorado. No one in the Obama campaign in Denver knew anything about it!

[tblue37]

40. That very much concerns me, since anyone who reads *anything*

online can't miss that information!

[stillcool]

9. Do the people in these states..

know about it? Wouldn't somebody residing in the state whose vote was affected, or whose vote could be proven to be likely affected, be the only one that could interfere with their state runs its elections? How is a campaign supposed to interject themselves in this? And why is it that people only care about accurate vote tabulations every four years? Whose votes are they anyway? Have people been waiting 4 years for the Senator from Illinois to fix their states elections?

[LittleApple81]

12. I was expecting the Democratic Party to have done something starting in 2004 on a state by state

basis. I had a post asking if the party had a coordinated effort about these issues, and somebody said "google it"... answer, not much.
No, I don't expect the campaign to worry about this, but it would be terrible to see all the hard work end up being defeated by dirty tricks.

[stillcool]

19. I'm impressed that there are...

18 states who have legislated paper ballots and a standard audit after every election. There are more safe-guards that are easy to apply and what these 18 states have done give me some hope. My own state does not yet legislate audits. I have written some Letters, emailed and called my Secretary of State, even including studies done on the lack of security and accuracy in the tabulating. I haven't done nearly enough, and I don't open my mouth enough to inform others of what the problems are and how easy they are to fix. I am not at all convinced that a fix dictated from Washington is the right way to go. That's what fucked us up in the first place.

http://www.verifiedvoting.org/index.php

[ann_american2004]

69. Today I had a choice between paper and electronic

guess which one I chose? p.s. I've been reading Brad, Velvet Revolution and Black Box on and off for many years.

[The Hope Mobile]

24. I'm absolutely sure they're aware. If we are - they are even moreso.

[UnitedWeStand33]

45. How can you do anything about it???

Vote fraud is not a new problem, 2000, 2004 and now 2008 - if a team as competent as Obama's cannot do much about it, it is here to stay.

[pberq]

6. Obama must not concede!

As posted yesterday, we cannot have another concession while votes are still being counted.

[Cults4Bush]

7. Bev??? She taints everything she touches.

Sorry but its true. Id suggest looking up Bev threads here at DU.

[LittleApple81]

8. Way back in 2003 I gave her money.... felt totally betrayed. So sad. nt

[carincross]

11. Bev is extra. The Connell testimony is pivotal!

I just threw in the Bev reference as a little extra - although the Colorado ethics committee report does make the necessary connections. The pivotal matter involves Mike Connell's testimony. The judge has already said, by the way, that some of the testimony will not be made public. Mr. Miller thinks it has to do with Mike Connell's statement to his lawyers that he was threatened by Karl Rove. Karl allegedly threatened to have the Justice Department look into Connell's wife and her lobbying activities if Connell talked! It gets juicier and juicier.

[Cults4Bush]

14. I agree completely.

Just soooo very many of us were betrayed by her is all. I understood why you included her and hope I didnt sound as if I was attacking you.

[janet118]

10. A few humble suggestions . . .

If you can, bring folding chairs, a camera or video camera, a pad of paper, a tape recorder, bottles of water and a cell phone. If someone in line is tired or thirsty offer a chair or water. Offer to stand in line for people who have to leave to use the bathroom. Document all problems, making sure to get names and contact info for the people involved. Call 1-866-OUR-VOTE to report problems or get information. Make sure everyone knows about affidavits and provisional ballots. Tell everyone who is a first time voter to bring their IDs.

They simply cannot steal this . . . it will break too many hearts.

[emlev]

13. waiting for info on how the deposition went...n/t

[renate]

15. tonight's news will be all about the election, of course, but

... will any of what Connell says in his deposition be made public today? It'd be so handy to have this information readily available to point to, if there are any problems with the vote.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

16. There's not enough tin foil in the world to make hats for that lineup. (nt)

Mr. Miller is the biggest moron of them all.

[Stevepol]

17. Highest conceivable Rec!!!!!!!!! & high Kick to boot!!!

[riqster]

18. 1-866-OUR-VOTE

Take the number with you to the polls tomorrow, and call it if you see anything irregular occurring.

[Canuckistanian]

20. K&R

[OwnedByFerrets]

21. Thom Hartman has been doing exhaustive stories on this issue...

listen to the past week of his shows. They are very informative as well as frightening. We cannot take this election win for granted.

[eridani]

22. Unfortunately any candidate who has ever won an election does NOT want to know this stuff

They see it as questioning their own victories, and they don't care if they should have won by 58% instead of 52%. This includes Dems. Plus all too many elections departments prize administrative conveniece and speed over accuracy.

[marions ghost]

78. that is a big factor

we CANNOT leave it to the candidates to fight this battle. After a loss there is no will for it, and after a victory, right, the candidate doesn't question a victory.

This is not how to win this struggle for the right to clean and transparent elections.

[The Hope Mobile]

23. Did you see that Frank Donatelli who co-owns GovTech with Connell

said today that it is clear that McCain has a good chance to win because there has been over-representation of Democrats in all the polls. They're going to try it again. No question.

[AllyCat]

31. Huh? An over-representation of Dems at the polls...

I don't see how that corresponds to a McCain victory. I know they'll try to steal it, but I'm not sure I understand the meaning of his statement. Seems illogical.

[Jackpine Radical]

35. I think they're saying that McCain has more supporters than is evident from the polls

because the polls are making their vote estimates based on surveys that include too many Democrats--i.e., the samples are biased leftward rather than random.

[bushisanidiot]

46. The poll samples are biased toward democrats because there ARE MORE democrats than republicans.

if there are 10% more registered democrats than republicans it would make sense to poll along that percentage. it wouldn't make sense to poll 50/50 because that would be biased toward repukes who have a lesser amount of registered voters.

[Jackpine Radical]

50. That wouldn't be a biased sample

because Republicans and Democrats are sampled in proportion to their numbers in the population. A biased sample would be one in which the sample overrepresents Democrats in relation to their frequency in the population.

[bushisanidiot]

52. it's NOT a biased sample if it's in correlation with "their frequency

in the population". It's an accurate sample in that case. there are very few areas in the country that have an exact 50/50 repuke/dem population.. it usually leans one way or the other. this year, there are far more democrats registered than repukes, so naturally, more dems will be polled. it's not "oversampling", it's just sampling.

[Jackpine Radical]

53. I feel like I'm talking to a post.

Suppost the true population percentage is 60% Dems, 40% Repubicans.

If your sample includes 70% Dems and 30% Repigs, then it is a biased sample in which Democrats are overrepresented. That seems to be the situation the person you quoted above is claiming to exist. That is what overrepresentation means.

[bushisanidiot]

56. A post? Fuck you. Those no evidence that there is "biased" sampling.

just because the repukes are claiming it's biased, it doesn't mean it is.

those crybabies just can't accept the fact that there are MORE registered democrats in this country than repukes and that is why more dems are representing in the polling samples.

funny that you are defending the repuke way of thinking

[Jackpine Radical]

67. I'm not arguing that the polls are biased.

I was hoping to clarify what he was saying--that the simple fact that there are more Dems than Republicans doesn't automatically make him wrong. Maybe he's wrong--I would in fact argue that he is--but not automatically wrong in asserting the polling is biased.

And my apoligies for the "post" comment. That wasn't called for.

[rosesaylavee]

25. Not again

K & R

[InternalDialogue]

26. Kick.

:kick:

[file83]

27. It's time we start integrating parity checking/vote tracking & verification

into the system. This is absolutely unacceptable.

[Dems4me]

29. Amen to that. n/t

[Dems4me]

30. Kick it Up. nt

[MassLiberal]

33. K&R

[Highway61]

34. BIG K & R! n/t

[proReality]

36. Time to register as a repub, tell the polls we're voting straight party and

then vote dem., if this election is stolen. <half joking>

[Road Scholar]

37. K&R

[debbierlus]

38. It is INFURIATING that the Dems have not fought this as they should

[Joe Chi Minh]

57. I wonder if they are somehow tracking the computer fraud in fraudulent tabulations

by partisan Republican outfits - the fact of the latter apparently existing, being a major scandal in itself, of course, by any normal standards.

It would nice to think the Dems were doing that, but it's just speculation on my part. It would explain their apparently laid-back attitude towards some of this machine fraud.

[proud2BlibKansan]

42. You had me until I saw you linked to Bev's site

Why does she get any attention here? That should be a complete no-brainer.

[Kurovski]

72. How about Mark Crispin Miller?

Can you Just ignore the malignant screwball Bev, and focus on the other folks?

Or does this mean that to you, the entire story is false because the opportunist has inserted herself into it?

[leave iraq]

43. fight - fight - fight - fight

wait, that is what McCain always says

[RollWithIt]

44. I would seriously think twice before attaching ANYTHING to Bev Harris....

She's a fraud, a thief, and an otherwise terrible person. After today I can GUARANTEE you she'll be stealing money from conservative activists convinced the election was stolen.

[Kurovski]

74. Do you suggest calling off the deposition?

I don't give a flea's tepid fuck where she steals her next buck from. Let her shoot ping-pong balls out her ass for cash--the story is NOT about Bev, either.

Focus, for cry-eye.

[Vattel]

47. where's L Coyote when you need him

[Beartracks]

48. K&R n/t

[Teaser]

49. Bev Harris is a fraud

.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

54. despite the complaints about her, some of which are valid

Black Box Voting has done a LOT to educate the public about e-voting fraud, and in fact were among the first to do this. To totally discredit anything that comes from Bev and BBV is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

[Kurovski]

76. And does it then follow that Mike Connell is NOT a fraud?

Are you implying that there was no tampering?

What is your point? And what would the logic be?

[AsahinaKimi]

51. K&R

:kick:

[fourvahl]

55. Connell denied Monday that he knew of any GOP effort to steal 2004 election for President Bush

I found that at this blog... below.

http://adap2k.blogspot.com/2008/11/michael-connell-ohio-election-testimony.html

[matt819]

58. What if . . .

My small town votes with paper and pencil, and we just love it.

But that's not the reason for my post.

Let's just say that the vote reflects the polls and that Obama wins - popularly and electorally. Notwithstanding reports of vote flipping, what happens to the vote rigging argument if Obama comes out on top? Are the electronic systems still evil? Still inaccurate? Don't get me wrong, I think electronic voting is undemocratic. But if the results reflect the polls, then is there a problem?

[RedLetterRev]

59. Rec'd and kicking again

Gotta stay on this one.

[krispos42]

60. Kick

We must overwhelm the cheating with sheer numbers!

[demoborn47]

61. how the fuck can they get away with this?

And our lawyers are sleeping on this? What can possibly be done now, the 11th hour, to prevent it? I find it hard to believe it's completely true or we haven't taken precautions.

[knixphan]

62. K&R

[BayjanDem]

63. K&R

and this is concerning.

[whitewomenforobama]

64. K & R. Anyone send this to Olbermann/Maddow/Matthews yet?

Do we have any other media allies we can notify?

[bkkyosemite]

65. I'm sure Obama knows that there were be fraud after all the same programs exist as did in 00 and 04

I think his plan all along has to been to make sure so many people vote that even the fraud percentage would not be enough. It will probably say he wins by 7% or so but really he won by 50%. If he thinks he will win I would think he wouldn't want to rock the frauded boat and then change our election system after he is in office.

[Geek_Girl]

66. I sent the rawstory to several outlets hear in chattanooga

Interesting thanks for the links.

[Juan_de_la_Dem]

68. No way

[paparush]

70. Kick!

[Kurovski]

71. Kick. (nt)

[avaistheone1]

75. K&R

This is an important thread. imo

[anigbrowl]

77. Vote integrity is important, but...

a) I have confidence that the Obama campaign has its ducks in a row. Our candidate is a former constitutional law professor, and they seem to have planned ahead carefully for any irregularities; meanwhile

b) if the election goes off smoothly with no major shenanigans, the single-issue blogs focusing on election faud etc. are likely to see a large drop in their readership. So it's in their interest to inflate the issue as much as possibly, and perhaps overstate it. I'd suggest 'most important news today' is an example of this; casting your vote is still the #1 priority.

[valerief]

79. kick

:kick:

[defendandprotect]

80. The other part of this story is the EARLIEST part ...

http://www.constitution.org/vote/votescam__.htm

That is the first look at the scam of computer voting in the late 1960's by two

journalists - this was when the large computer counters came in, making clear that

many in the press would have had a fair/developing idea of what was being pulled off.

Note that well.


This was pretty much right after the '63 coup on the US government, overturning the

New Deal Era and programs and ensuring that JFK could not hecome another FDR.

Strange things began to happen immediately -- the frequent halts in the count and when

the computer came back on the new reports didn't quite jibe --


THIS is where their investigation began --

[bertman]

81. Even if Obama wins and especially WHEN OBAMA WINS, this is an issue that we must address.

It will be up to Democrats who are aware of these voting machine issues to push this into the public forum.

There is no reason to believe that the Democratic Party leadership will do ANYTHING about this unless we force them to.

[Historic NY]

82. Kick we shall be vindicated...

[AntiFascist]

83. K&R n/t

[Karl_Bonner_1982]

85. The Great Exposure is about to begin!

Who knows how much crooked activity of the past 8 years will be brought to light now? It could hurt the Republicans for a while after this election cycle.

[Sunnyshine]

86. K & R - This is major news and I bet it leads to something even bigger. Great job by DN and Amy G.

Expose their entire scheme!

[Why Syzygy]

87. Rove was too romanced by technology.

Electronic trails. Thank goddess someone can find them.

[illuminaughty]

88. I got a heads up from Brasscheck TV on this

This is BIG news. Love it.

[lonestarnot]

89. Kick! Too late to rec!

:kick: