Memo forgeries?

[Imalittleteapot]

Read this folks. They MAY have done a "gotcha" on us.

http://www.warblogging.com/archives/000911.php#000911

[a_random_joel]

1. WH released copies of the memos yesterday.

Next.

[emulatorloo]

2. Then why did the whitehouse release the same docs last nite? EOM

Sounds like wishful thinking on the part of "warblogging"

[emulatorloo]

3. Here, visit this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2330991&mesg_id=2330991

[Ducks In A Row]

4. never believe what the freepers say

will save you alot of grief.

[KBlagburn]

5. CBS used handwriting experts

before they would air them. Also the white house has not questioned the authenticity in fact they distributed them to the media after 60 Minutes aired.

[mbali]

6. Then, the White House has some 'splainin' to do . . .

Questions Raised About Bush Guard Service
AP

WASHINGTON - New documents unearthed in the midst of the presidential campaign fill in some blanks but raise other questions about the sometimes mysterious and spotty story of President Bush (news - web sites)'s military service during Vietnam when he won a coveted spot in the Texas Air National Guard and avoided the war.

Reviving issues that have shadowed his political career, the documents show Bush ignored a direct order from a superior officer and lost his status as a Texas Air National Guard pilot more than three decades ago because he failed to meet military performance standards and undergo a required physical examination.


The disclosures marked the second time in days the White House had to backtrack from assertions that all of Bush's records had been released. It also raised the specter that Bush sought favors from higher-ups and that the commander of the Texas Air National Guard wanted to "sugar coat" Bush's record after he was suspended from flying.

Yet, it was the White House — not Kerry's campaign — that distributed four memos from 1972 and 1973 from Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, now deceased, who was the commander of the 111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron in Houston where Bush served. The White House obtained the memos from CBS News, which said it was convinced of their authenticity, and the White House did not question their accuracy. There was no explanation why the Pentagon was unable to find the documents on its own.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&e=1&u=/ap/20040909/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_national_guard

[Mick Knox]

8. They will be able to have

Plausible deniability and just say they released what CBS Gave them.

They may have got us on this.. it is spreading like wildfire through the internet for sure. If faux and others dont start questioning the authenticity it I'll eat my shorts.

RoveCo may have got CBS.

Do you put it past RoveCo?

[mbali]

9. Since when does the WH release documents, without any verification,

supplied to them by the press.

No way.

The fact that it's spreading on the internet don't mean diddly.

[Mick Knox]

11. True.. lucky the TV Media is "Liberal"

And wont be saying the same thing soon huh?

[luaneryder]

12. But, why would the WH release

something from CBS? Even if it is a Rovian it'll turn around and bite his pasty white ass. It'd be hard to believe that CBS would let this shit go for a second.

[Jon8503]

7. Absolutely Are Not Forgeries Or Fakes

Just heard on a news callin show here in KC, that IBM has come out & stated that these documents were typed with a typewriter that was available at that time and had the fonts in question.

Can't remember the specific typewriter but it was available in the 50's. So the Host read this over the radio and this is confirmed by IBM.

Also, why would these documents be the same as the White House documents if they are fake or forged. The White House documents would have to be forged as well.

[Nicholas_J]

13. Yup

THe IBM Stypewriters had all of those fonts available and youi could type proportionally with them. They are trying to state that these were typed on the old fashioned typewriters with the type face on the long lever type mechanism connected to the keyboard. If these were done on typetriters using typeballs, they would look exactly like these memos.

[htuttle]

10. Rove is trying to plant a seed of doubt for the true believers to cling to

They know it will be debunked, but they don't care. The true believers will cling to the conspiracy theory, and consider the debunking 'false' or simply shut it out.

[sadiesworld]

14. Yep.

They're really working it on hate radio, just listened to about 10 minutes of the Hugh Hewitt(?) show...retired military "expert" saying serious questions about authenticity, etc. They also keep referring to "a website"...freeps must be quite happy with their "catastrophic success" by now.

[HFishbine]

15. About that superscript "th" and the fonts

(note: the Selectric II was introduced in the mid 1960's)

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The Selectric II had a Dual Pitch option to allow it to be switched (with a lever at the top left of the "carriage") between 10 and 12 characters per inch, whereas the Selectric I had one fixed "pitch".

The Selectric II had a lever (above the right platen knob) that would allow the platen to be turned freely but return to the same vertical line (for inserting such symbols as subscripts and superscripts), whereas the Selectric I did not.

As for the "theories" about the font:

Both Selectric I and Selectric II were available in standard, medium, and wide-carriage models and in various colors, including red and blue as well as traditional neutral colors, and both used the same typeballs, which were available in many fonts, including symbols for science and mathematics, OCR faces for scanning by computers, script, Old English, and more than a dozen ordinary alphabets.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Selectric_typewriter
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The world's most popular typewriter in 1972 was perfectly capable of creating superscripts.

BONUS: For a good laugh, click on this link to the Selectric Typewriter Museum (yes, there really is one. I think it's operated by a Democrat): http://www.selectric.org/selectric/index.html