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auburngrad82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 09:39 AM
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Bush was right when he said we can't win the war on terrorism.
Let's just say for a minute that Bush invades every middle-eastern country and completely wipes out every terrorist there.

What happens when the next Timothy McVeigh plants a bomb? Is that not terrorism?

We need to fight terrorism but pissing off the world is not the way to do it. We spread ourselves too thin militarily and make ourselves targets from within.

We need to bring this up in the debates.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 09:45 AM
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1. Except now you're calling Kerry a fool
since he said the "war on terror" is winnable.

Of course it's not winnable, the phrase is meaningless.

Zbigniew Brzezinski's remarks from the "New American Strategies for Security and Peace" conference:

I think that calls for serious debate in America about the role of America in the world, and I do not believe that that serious debate is satisfied simply by a very abstract, vague and quasi-theological definition of the war on terrorism as the central preoccupation of the United States in today's world. That definition of the challenge in my view simply narrows down and over-simplifies a complex and varied set of challenges that needs to be addressed on a broad front.

It deals with abstractions. It theologizes the challenge. It doesn't point directly at the problem. It talks about a broad phenomenon, terrorism, as the enemy overlooking the fact that terrorism is a technique for killing people. That doesn't tell us who the enemy is. It's as if we said that World War II was not against the Nazis but against blitzkrieg. We need to ask who is the enemy, and the enemies are terrorists.

http://www.prospect.org/webfeatures/2003/10/brzezinski-z-10-31.html
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auburngrad82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 10:08 AM
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4. Maybe I should reword it...
It's not winnable through war. It's only winnable if you eliminate the root causes of the world's dislike and distrust of America. That's where Kerry is right. We need to work to restore the world's trust in America. And bullying them and flexing our military muscles will never work.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 10:23 AM
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5. No, you cannot win a war on terror or terrorism.
Terror/terrorism is an emtion/tactic.
How do you "win" a "war" on an emotion and/or a tactic?

Identify the ENEMY and declare war on THEM.

Jeeez.

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9119495 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 09:46 AM
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2. Of course he was right...
but he always said he COULD win it...and made various manipulations to indicate no one else could. Thus, his words should bite him in the ass. When such sentiments about an unwinnable war come out of a Demo. mouth, we are considered either weak or traitorous. The standard must be the same for both.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 09:47 AM
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3. yes we can but going to take time, and
have to leave the old testament, the punishing out of fear parenting. the only way we can get beyond this terrorism is own our part of this mess and go to moderates of islamis religion and work with them, while going after the extremist. bush cant do that. he doesnt know how to reason and we all know he doesnt know how to own his part in something. all he knows is beat em up and bring to summission like an authortarian father does with a child
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