Can I call Paul Begala a corporate Asshole? AGAIN he slams Kerry!

[seventhson]

Today Begala on Crossfire slammed Kerry and he claims Kerry was wrong for saying the disparity in health care between rich and poor (and hence btween the masses of African Americans and the majority of European Americans) - is akin to the discriminatory Jim Crow laws of the past.


I work in the inner city. It is probably WORSE in many ways for poor people in America than the Jim Crow laws.

Only difference is that the disparity affercts ALL poor people across the boord - but disproportionately affects largely people of color (andf it IS therefore discriminatory and like Jim Crow)


Anyway Begala's an asshole and hurts us every time we let our guard down. (Remember Cynthis McKinney!!! Begala called he rnuts for saying MAYBE Bush "knew" on 9-11))

[madfloridian]

1. He and Carville ripped Dean all the time.

So....who do they like? hmmmm.....

They really tore into Dean during the campaign, and here it was ok then. No one objected, and if we said anything it was ignored.

They are not our friends at times.

[liberalnurse]

4. Thanks for the reminder......

:yourock:

[Cha]

12. I guess that means begala is Not

an advisor to the Kerry campaign?

People were saying he was going to be and I said watch out for him because I heard he "advised" Gore to roll his eyes and sigh heavily during the 2000 debates. I'm just sayin'.

[TexasSissy]

34. No, neither Begala nor Carville are Kerry advisors.

[Capn Sunshine]

78. Just to "clarify"

Begala and Carville "have an informal role advising some members of the Kerry campaign"; they are "unpaid," they "don't have an office or a desk at campaign headquarters," and they don't "regularly meet with the campaign." http://www.campaigndesk.org/archives/000892.asp


"Among the better-known former Clinton aides who are expected to play an increasingly prominent role are James Carville, Paul Begala and Stanley Greenberg, campaign aides said.Mr. Kerry's aides emphasized that this was an expansion of the staff for the fall campaign and did not represent another upheaval of the Kerry campaign."
"Still, some Democrats described what was taking place as a slow-motion shake-up as Mr. Clinton's former advisers assume increasingly powerful roles."
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/06/politics/campaign/06kerry.html
(registration required.)

[demokatgurrl]

88. I'm confused now...

I did think Begala and Carville were advising Kerry.
If this is "advising", Begala should be dumped. And I used to like him so I'm going to have to write him a nasty letter now.

[mzmolly]

45. They also propped Kerry. They always mentioned "Kerry's a good candidate"

now they're bitching about him too! :grr:

[Southsideirish]

56. So true! I used to think they were mad that he hired Trippi instead

of one of them.

[demokatgurrl]

89. But Carville didn't like Dean, he likes Kerry. n/t

[UpsideDownFlag]

2. the only times i've ever seen begala on crossfire...

he is doubleteaming Novak or Frat Boy fabulously, bringing the elder almost to the point of a heart attack. i havent seen reason to disparage him yet.

[Karmadillo]

3. Begala was truly outrageous. Kudos to Kerry for speaking a truth

we don't like to hear.

[Karmadillo]

8. Anderson Cooper expresses upset at Jim Crow reference and Begala again

agrees. Novak called called its use outrageous. It's not outrageous, apparently, for a large portion of the US population to live without adequate health care. The members of our millionaire media certainly know where their interests lie.

[bread_and_roses]

17. Exactly. Our corporate masters do not allow

us to say "racism" or "class war" because they are using racism in their class war.

[Chelsea Patriot]

91. Anderson Cooper, Son Of Gloria Vanderbilt.

America's Aristocracy is a really repellent group.

[JohnKleeb]

5. question

Kerry compared the differences between the health care of the rich and poor to the Jim Crow Laws of the past yes? Thats what it sounds like to me, first off, great for Kerry, very valid analogy, because in Jim Crow you had the black kids going to a poor school with very primative resources, etc, and the white kids generally had up to date books and what not, health care is the same way, the poor struggle for health care, and the rich well they have like specialized doctors. Second off, you can call Begala an ass for this.

[seventhson]

9. Thanks Mr. Kleeb!

I thank you and we all respect your opinion!

[JI7]

13. that's the way i saw it also

[Mr Blond]

6. Begala is a good loyal Dem.

I love the man! He is contantly battling the right wing. I'd follow him through fire. We can't always agree on everything, can't we at least agree on that?? :)

[seventhson]

11. Nope! He SLAMMED Cynthia McKinney over 9-11...

when she said as a Congessperson that Bush must have KNOWN 9-11 was coming (and that Bush's Saudi friends were behind it)

Begala is a media f*ckwad sleeper spook for the right wing.

It is clear that he is such when he does sh*t like this.

Begala KNOWS where his bread is buttered: by the Saudis who have a HUGE interest in CNN.

Mark McKinnon - Rove's media advisor -- is Begala's oldest friend in the business.

Is Begala a sellout?

YES Begala is a BFEE sellout!

That is what I believe.

WATCH what he says.

Slamming Kerry like this is typical of his sellout credentials.

[Mr Blond]

15. He was right about Ms McKinney.

Love her passion but her views on 9-11 are out there.

Would you have us, as a party, embrace her statements? We'd lose 50 states plus D.C in the coming election, be down to less than 40 senators and be outnumbered in the House by 100.

Begala knows this...Of course he knows this. I'm with him on this issue.

IMO, of course. :)

[seventhson]

29. Hell, EVERYBODY knows she was right! The 9-11 Commission confirmed

that in August 2001 there was a National Secuirtty Briefing Memo saying that Osama was planning major attacks in the United States. The fact that he planned to use hijacked planes and crash them into building was also known to the administration (altho the Busheis killed investigations into the Saudi perpetrators)

Bush sure as hell KNEW what was coming.

All McKinney asked was what did Bush know, when did he know it and WHO BENEFITTED from 9-11?

We all know who: the Saudis, Halliburton, Carlyle, PNAC, Sharon, Likud, Osama, and Bush. (All in the bad hat society from my perspective.

McKinney was DEAD ON! And Begala destroyed her for the beneficiaries of 9-11.

[blondeatlast]

36. Yeah, without flight and seat numbers, how could he have known?

:eyes:

[seventhson]

43. hell - Cheney probably made the reservations and DID know

the flight and seat numbers

[wyldwolf]

20. you can't be a loyal dem and still criticize another dem?

...guess that means someone here ain't no loyal dem.

[wyldwolf]

21. ,

[seventhson]

25. Lots of people feel that way. There were Kapos in the ghettoes too

but they were not as bad as Hitler. And when the Nazis were gone they turned out to be decent people.

During the primaries Kerry's background made him undesirable as a candidate to ME - compared to many of the others.

I wish he were never selected in the primaries.

BUT, that said, I promised I would NOT Bash Kerry and that I would support him 100%.

Kerry is NOT Bush. And NOBODY is worse than the Bush Crime Family in my opinion.

Kerry has LOTS of things I like about him. And some I do not (like the Iraq war vote which made anyone who voted for it complicitous with Bush IMHO). But this is just a way to discredit my post about Begala.

Yeah - there are lots of supposed Dems who I think are secretly working for Bush. Begala is one of them.

Bush KNEW (And I believe in MIHOP so....?)

[wyldwolf]

26. Just another in your long line of unfounded conspiracy theories

Yeah - there are lots of supposed Dems who I think are secretly working for Bush. Begala is one of them.

Classic! :eyes:

But this is just a way to discredit my post about Begala.

You discredited yourself long ago.

[seventhson]

46. "Unfounded" --- Begala and Rove's guy McKinnon are best friends

they both worked at Public Strategies Inc which reps Rove/Bush on media matters

Begala encouraged McKinnon to go to work for Bush.

They are like to slugs in a rug.

Anyway - my conspiracy theories are usually based on reason and evidence. The eviudence in this case is Bagala's subtle destruction of Kerry at opportune times playing a race card that is meant to hurt him with racists and uncomfortable moderates as well as with persons of color.

Prsons of color with no insurance sure feel like its Jim Crow all over again: people are dying right and left for lack of insurance. In many ways it is worse. At leasdt in the south you could grow crops and eat. Now with no insurance you die.

[wyldwolf]

62. more of the classic "six degrees of Kevin Bacon" associations...

..you're known for. :eyes:


Let's see. Begala worked with Clinton... who worked with Gore... who worked with Dean... it's all becoming clear now...

[in_cog_ni_to]

47. You discredited yourself long ago.

I, for one, will NEVER forget the SOA primary threads. NEVER. Some of the most shameful, hateful, disgusting things I've ever read. THOSE threads were complicit in taking down Wes Clark's campaign. I'm sure the people who started them and fed them are now very proud of themselves. They can be proud, but don't expect me to ever participate in their taking down ANYONE THEY don't like. I know where they're coming from and it isn't from a place I respect. IMCPO

[name not needed]

32. You support Kerry

But he, as a bonesman, is unacceptable to you. You said it yourself that no bonesman should be elected president. If you said this, why are you supporting Kerry? If you don't think Kerry should be president, then don't vote for him. It's that simple.

But, I guess since he is the nominee, that cancels out all the shit you said about him during the primaries.

[seventhson]

39. Simple argument here:

Kerry is the FAR lesser of two evils

This is a war for the future survival of humanity. The first requirement is the greatest danger to humanity must be electorally removed from office (any other scenario is not viable.

Kerry was chosen by the majority of voting Democrats in the primaries and so he is the MAN to defeat Bush.

I accept him as a far better man than Bush, even with his "baggage".

He is a politician and as such is up to his eyeballs in "political decisions" and he is a patrician politician which has its own baggage. I do not like the baggage he crarries much but I can live with him if it means getting Bush OUT NOW!

[seventhson]

44. PS - Not ALL Yalies were created equal

all bonesmen are not equally responsible for the actions of either the whole organization or other members.

I know some Bonesmen who seem to be decent people.

As I have said numerous times, I grew up in this milieu. I KNOW these people.

I would certainly prefer a William Sloan Coffin to a Bush any day.

And I certainly do NOT believe the Nader meme that both the dems and repubs are the same in terms of their corporate piracy (and I actually believe Nader is a Spook for the fascists too) and more than I believe that Kerry is the same as Bush.

I have said consistently that Kerry is better. Period. By a million miles,

[wyldwolf]

27. Quote: "Slamming Kerry like this is typical of his sellout credentials."

Sellout credentials... like... this?

[newsguyatl]

7. begala's useless

he and carville went out of their way to always bad mouth dean.


i haven't forgotten that.

[Rose Siding]

10. I haven't either n/t

[BuelahWitch]

18. Me either n/t

[IndianaGreen]

14. Begala smeared Cynthia McKinney when Cynthia said Bush LIHOP 9/11

I think that Begala is a jerk!

[robbedvoter]

16. begala attacked Clark, democrats and allowed RW-ers many freebies

I quit listening to Crossfire long time ago because of him. Yes, you can call him a corporate whore.
last I heard his voice, he was on AAR - Morning sedition - mealymouthing about his mom thinking W is a nice man and therefore we have to humor her and keep sayig that.

[Shuck and Jive]

19. They are Clinton Demoocrats FIRST

[madfloridian]

72. That took courage.

Thanks.

[shivaji]

98. Exactly...it is very transparent the Clintons want Kerry to lose, why else

would Bill would postpone his heart surgery until RNC was
over? He has had chest pains for almost 2 months per news
reports. And now he & Hillary has a convenient excuse to avoid
campaigning for Kerry. If someone here thinks Hillary has no
ambitions for the presidency, I have an old bridge to sell.
If Kerry wins, Hillary is finished. It will be atleast 4 years
Kerry, then 8 years of Edwards. In 12 years Hillary will be
too old to run......it is all becoming clear!

[madfloridian]

104. And he made some calls as well during the prmaries.

Some of that is coming out in Dean's new book.

[saracat]

105. My, my ! Straight out of the RNC playbook!

Did you know they even posted that theory on their site to discredit us? Thanks for your support of the GOP!And that paragon of journalistic integrity, Matt Drudge. This is what causes Dems to lose.They have a bizarre compulsion to believe anything bad about themselves!

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[Gin]

23. I think all the talk about begala being on Kerry's team is making him

worry about his job on CNN.....he may be covering his own ass by criticizing Kerry....McCain did the same thing.

Imagine the pressure he is getting since we all thought he was working on the Kerry campaign. He isn't...neither is Carville...James did say..that if anyone calls him...he can offer his opinion.

[wyldwolf]

24. Sure... but that isn't the real issue in this particular thread to me...

..it is the hypocrisy of the thread starter - who has done everything in his limited capacity to drive Kerry down himself. I also recall how he relentlessly pushed the Kerry-intern story here as "accurate."

[Cha]

95. WE saw a tape of Carville on "Today" and

katie couric said he was an advisor to Kerry..and he didn't disagree.

[name not needed]

31. See my post below

eom

[Darby]

28. Begala beats up on Carlson really well all the time

[name not needed]

30. Oh, just like you?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=417580

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=316870

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=326610#326682

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=198273

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=141900

Pot, kettle. Kettle, pot.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

35. The difference is that when push came to shove, Seventhson knows

where his bread is buttered...and didn't say any of this on national TV.

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[seventhson]

82. I won't disavow the issues

and I still feel that this type of attack is freeperish

raising dead threads disparaging Kerry during the primaries to discredit my support of him now is really uncalled for.

You crossed a line with me by doing this and WHENEVER I raise concerns about Begala I get dumped on.

I think there are traitors in our midst and it is hard to defend when the rules prohibit calling a spade a spade.


Maybe I'm wrong but it smells bad when this type of thing turns from a debate on the issue of the media and Kerry and the issue of health care to ad hominem atacks on DUers.

Maybe I overreacted, and for that I am sorry.

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[name not needed]

38. It still doesn't change the fact that

Seventhson has badmouthed Kerry far more than Begala. I don't ever recall Begala saying that Kerry was a BFEE collaborator, nor do I remember him stating that Kerry does not deserve the nomination because he was a Bonesman.

[seventhson]

55. Jesus - that was during the Primaries - and I NO LONGER raise that issue

Why the fuck are YOU raising it to defend Begala's bashing of Kerry.

I hope all take note of this consuct.

Especially the mods.


It is uncalled for personal attack on me when I am now trying to defend Kerry FROM Begala's barbs which are so reminsicent of his attacks on Gore, Dean, Clark and McKinney.

[wyldwolf]

64. but you have not disavowed those statements

We can only assume that you still believe them to be true and thus any judgment you heap on someone who is critical of Kerry is laughable.

[name not needed]

94. Yet it is called for when

you suggest that me and wyldwolf are disruptors because both of us pointed out that you are a hypocrite.

[Cha]

96. It wasn't on Friggin

National Tv...HELLO!

[seventhson]

40. The difference is that was during the primaries and I pledged to kerry

when the primaries were done.

What is YOUR motivation in dredging this up?

It helps Bush.

If Kerry wins (and I actually PRAY that he does every day)

we will see how he does.

For now I will give him ALL the benefit of the doubt.

After election day, though, I go back to being in the Democratic underground fighting for the causes I believe in and pushing for what I believe is just and good.

[Misunderestimator]

50. LOL

:thumbsup:

[JI7]

33. Begala is not a corporate asshole, he is one of the best in defending

kerry. this one thing doesn't make him a corporate asshole.

[seventhson]

48. It is a pattern of undermining Dems and Kerry - not ONE incident

I have said this about Begala for years now when I discovered his past as an energy lobbyist witrh McKinnon (Rove's guy) in Texas.

The McKinney comments led me to search his background. He was a schill for Texas energy companies and worked for McKinnon at Rove's team at PSI (Public Strategies Inc.)

Do a search on Mark Mckinnon and Rove.

Then do a search on Begala and McKinnon.

They go WAY back and are as tight as J-Lo's buttcheeks.

[madfloridian]

57. He really does not defend Kerry very well.

I have seen him let too many chances go by to stand up to an opponent on something. He lets the ball drop too often.

He actually went on the attack against Dean, but he is more subtle with Kerry. He just leaves things hanging when he could take over the conversation.

[Cha]

97. And I have read complaints like that on du

of just what you say.

begala may be a democrat but he is not the best spokesman.

[dennis4868]

41. I will give anyone a $50,000 reward

if they can show me one example of a Bush Suurogate knocking Bush on cable tv.....YOU NEVER SEE IT.....NEVER....but this week I have seen D D Myers and Begala do this....and then we wonder why we lose elections!

[saracat]

107. Tucker Carlson, while not exactly a surrogate,

Has said on TV, that he will NOT support Bush!

[dennis4868]

42. $50,000 reward

if they can show me one example of a Bush Suurogate knocking Bush on cable tv.....YOU NEVER SEE IT.....NEVER....but this week I have seen D D Myers and Begala do this....and then we wonder why we lose elections!

[buycitgo]

52. can't believe it took that long for someone to make the most

salient mentioned so far

pugs are UNIFIED in their support of der fuhrer

dems, despite all the assertions of unity, are replete with examples of Begala, Myers, and others taking seeming pleasure in pointing out the myriad shortcomings of the Kerry campaign

WHY are they doing this?

keep it behind closed doors

could it be cause they DO have some sort of pecuniary interest in badmouthing the campaign

I was FURIOUS at Myers the other night, when she just joined in on the Kerry bashing, talking about his weak response to the Swiftliars, instead of standing up to him, and reaming the MEDIA for running with a story based on PURE LIES!

it really makes one wonder what the hell is going on with these socaled dems, these DINOS

save your criticisms of Kerry for November THIRD, when people will be paying the same attention they should be now to such unhelpful tripe

[wyldwolf]

66. first, define "surogate"

So we'll know what you consider one to be.

[wyldwolf]

75. OK, I'll assume you mean someone on the Right who has a role like...

Begala's - a commentator obviously partisan. I can only assume that is how you define the term because the thread is about Begala.

So, based on that, Joe Scarborough qualifies...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2323863

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2308331

Tucker Carlson has even been a little critical of Bush in his new book.

[JohnKleeb]

49. ok guys I just did an alternative post on this

About how Kerry was right.

[seventhson]

51. Link?

Bruddah?

[JohnKleeb]

54. el link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x791668
Simliar anaylis to above with humbledness. This is what you should have focused on, instead of Paulie B honest, that he hits to heart what one of the problems with our country is that we have people who just need health care to survive and there's a fat rich guy in a suit who has a doctor for everything.

[seventhson]

61. Being humble isn't my sstrong suit in political debate - Good Thread tho -

it gets to the issues which needed to be raised asnd why Begala pissed me off with his calling Kerry "WRONG" on sayiong the lack of health care is like Jim Crow.

You nailed it.

I hope there are no flasmes there and the issue gets discussed instead of the onfuscation and distraction from the issues of media complicity with Bush and the medical/pharmaceutical industry that probably dictated Begala's little speech slamming Kerry.

Oh lack of health care is not THAT bad, says Begala.

Damn him to hell.

people are dying.

[JohnKleeb]

69. Begala really has a different set of heroes that arent Kerry's

Kerry was a big fan of Robert Francis Kennedy and Eugene McCarthy, he was just as upset as I bet many of you who were alive back then, 1968 hit Kerry hard, the death of Persh, his good childhood friend, MLK's death, and the death of RFK who he admired a lot. He's very wrong, Paul that is, people are dying, and I hope Kerry continues this, Kerry has repeatly said boldly and honestly, Health care ought to be a right not a privilege, amen to that Johnny. I dont know what he's thinking, but he outta to realize that there are people struggling in this country. Again though, though I agree with the fact that Begala was dead wrong to say what he said, I think you should have made the main point of your story what Kerry said was what had to be said, not dissing ya but it really wouldnt have provoked this flame war.

[JohnKleeb]

58. I am gonna repeat myself but

I think the main discussion here should be about what Kerry said, there's a lot of people who dont know about it, and I personally think Kerry was right to say what he did in fact say. Let's focus on that, Kerry will be the only with the power to send bills to congress as president not Begala.

[madfloridian]

59. Why do people here get so angry when Begala is criticized?

Or Carville? My goodness. We Dean folks were told to love them during the primaries when they publicly humiliated Dean on TV and even on Crossfire. Didn't that seem odd?

I have seen several instances where one or both has NOT done a very good job standing up for Kerry when it counted.

SO...think about it....Dean attacked by them...Kerry often not defended well enough.

Why would this be?

[seventhson]

63. and why is there a defense of his slamming Kerry

seeping in here in the guise of an attack on MY credibility?

I slammed Kerry a lot in the primaries.

But compared to Bush he is practically Jesus from my perspective.

[wyldwolf]

65. you've missed the point

People get angry when someone like seventhson criticized any democrat.

[seventhson]

70. I give up = Mods - delete this thread

it has turned into a forum for "certain people" to spew dirt at Kerry

I know that it is usually subtler than this but five threads posted furing the primaries attacking Kerry (which I posted) have been resurrected to defend Begala's bashing of Kerry on CNN.

I do NOT diavow my feelings during the primaries but I have promised NOT to raise these issues once the primaries were over (in accordance with the DU rules)

I am 100% behind Kerry against Bush and consider him so superior as a man and as a candidate next to Bush that - even with my expressed "issues" - I have NO qualms whatsever about supporting Kerry against Bush.

I have said this repeatedly since the primaries ended.

But this thread has become a backdoor way for a few posters to raise old dirt on Kerry.

Kill it now.

[name not needed]

92. I DID NOT post those threads to defend Begala's attacks on Kerry

I think that Begala's attacks were unwarranted, but I found it hypocritical for you to be attacking Begala for attacking Kerry, when you at one point were just as vicious in your attacks on Kerry.

[Cha]

99. Seventhson is Not being

hypocritical! He's a Kerry supporter now..that was during the Primaries..get it?

I said a few things about Kerry myself but Now I am a strong Kerry supporter.

This is way past the primaries and begala better Shut The Fuck Up!

[madfloridian]

71. Someone like him?

Do you know him? What is he like? Hey, I am still getting criticized here, so what do you mean by that?

[wyldwolf]

73. read the whole thread

seventhson has said:




he has said that the Kerry-intern story was true, that Kerry didn't deserve the nomination because he was a bonesman, that Kerry was PNAC, a Neocon, etc, etc.

[madfloridian]

74. That was during the primaries. Should I dig up old threads, too?

That is not very nice. He has like many of us become a Kerry supporter.

[wyldwolf]

76. So? He has not disavowed his statements...

...he has only said he won't mention them again.

Yet, he feels the need to call someone else a whore for criticizing Kerry.

[madfloridian]

77. Please think about what is being said in this thread.

First of all, we have a right to criticize our leaders. This is America.

Secondly, think.....why would Begala and Carville viciously attack Dean, and then not be very effective in defending Kerry?

Think. Why would they do this?

[wyldwolf]

79. I have

First of all, we have a right to criticize our leaders. This is America.

Correct. And we have the right to criticize those who criticize our leaders, too. Seventhson can criticize Begala (and Kerry) and I can criticize seventhson for it.

Secondly, think.....why would Begala and Carville viciously attack Dean, and then not be very effective in defending Kerry?

That is a matter of opinion. Show me transcrips of them "viciously attack Dean" and not being "very effective in defending Kerry." More than one example, please.

[madfloridian]

80. It was discussed here often.

It was discussed here many times as well. Over and over.

[wyldwolf]

81. ok. Then back you assertion and provide the transcripts

[seventhson]

83. Thanks for derailing this thread from CNN bias agasinst Kerry and against

universal healthcare to a gutter fight about me.

I suggest folks read John Kleebs thread on this subject and this one die a natural or unnatural death.

Just be mindful of what happened when I tried to defend Kerry here.

I was attacked.

[JohnKleeb]

85. thanks my goal is to get half of the replies this got

Then again they call me an idealist :D, its at a sixth of this now. Yes, let this baby burn, I disagreed with your attacks then but hey the point is that Kerry was first off right about this issue, lets discuss that, like Stan on South Park said to Mel Gibson, dude you should discuss Jesus's life (Kerry's health care talk is that equiv) and not his death (Begala's wrongness), :shrug: then again I do think the south park analogy isnt perfect.

[wyldwolf]

86. You're quite welcome

I don't expect anyone will forget how you REALLY feel about John Kerry.

[Cha]

100. Don't worry about that shit,

seventhson! I know what you're doing and it's perfectly warranted!

[seventhson]

87. My goal in this thread was to expose the SUBTLETY of anti-Kerry ops

Begala was undermining Kerry

just like he undermined Gore.

and other anti-Bush folks.

just like he undermined and savaged the universal need for health care as a human or civil right (like abolishing Jim Crow)

Kerry said it right.

Begala was DEAD wrong and is a transparent proBusher.


Hopefully people will be more alert about him in the future (and abouyt posters here too.

[wyldwolf]

90. yawn...

Anti-Kerry ops? do they fly black helicopters?

just like he undermined Gore.

How so?

..savaged the universal need for health care

Savaged? :eyes:

Begala was DEAD wrong and is a transparent proBusher.

Criticism of Kerry equates to being pro-Bush?

[Cha]

102. YOu're Not boring me!

I admire your investagative work!

I have my doubts about begala, too.

He needs to shit or get off the pot.

[saracat]

93. Stop it! We are eating ourselves! What you all are doing is no

different than what you claim Begala is doing to Kerry or what you think was done to McKinney! Just shut up and do something productive! You all want your say but don't think anyone else has the right to speak. This past rehashing is driving supporters away.Lots of people are criticizing the Kerry campaign.Even some of you who are criticizing Begala. Begala is the only one of the bunch of us who has credentials.He helped elect a president.What have you done? And for the record. I agree with the Kerry statement too, but so what? And if you arw worried about the backlash from these kinds of statements, why do you give it more exposure by endlessly yammering about it here?

[Cha]

103. Seventhson has a right to complain about

begala without you telling him to "shutup"!

I for one would be very upset if seventhson were to take your advise.

[saracat]

108. I didn't tell him to "shut up".

But I feel Begala has the same right to complain as Seventhson has and has more credibility to complain about the campaign . Why should Seventhson be allowed to speak and not Begala? And all of this is countrproductive.

[Cha]

109. "Just shut up and do something productive!"

Post # 93

[saracat]

110. Oops! Guess I did in the heat of the moment!

I apologize.But I still feel that one persons right to speak does not negate anothers!And this argument is not productive.I am leaving .I have to lead a Kerry canvass!

[demothinker]

106. Exactly

Seventhson has a right to have fault with Begala, but to call him a corporate asshole after Seventhson's posts about Kerry in the primaries that have been detailed here is hypocritical, even if Seventhson has promised to "stop" during the election. There are many valid ways to criticize what someone says without name-calling and denigrating someone that has done a lot to help the Democratic party.

And Seventhson, what would YOU say if Bush came out and said "Well, I said a bunch of nasty things about McCain during the primaries, but during his Senate campaign I promised not to say them, so that proves what a good person I am." Think about how you'd feel and you'll realize why some people are reacting the way they are in this thread.

Begala is one of the GOOD guys (even if he drives me nuts sometimes with his devotion to Zell(out) Miller), and we need as many of them as possible helping. Criticize him in a positive way by helping others to see why he's mistaken, not by calling him names. That's what helps the cause, not ticking off those who are on your side that are fans of Begala.

[JohnKleeb]

101. I am kicking the other thread about the actual issue at hand

[Moderator]

111. locking

this thread has become a counterproductive flamewar.