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crushbush04 Donating Member (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 05:34 PM
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Damn these idiots to hell
This Kerry campaign is the dumbest most inept peice of crap ever. We would have been better off nominating Dean. Then at least we would have gotten a true advocate. What the hell is this idiot Kerry the advocate for?

Stand up and speak. Stand for something. Give me something!!

I so regret voting for this goon in the primary. I totally fell for the hype.

The worst thing is that I feel so helpless about where the country is now headed.
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 05:35 PM
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1. here you go . . .
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 05:36 PM
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2. Hmmmmm. I don't know what your point is, but I doubt you'll be around
long at this rate.
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crushbush04 Donating Member (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 05:39 PM
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4. What do YOU mean
You doubt that I'll be around?
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:09 PM
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15. There seems to me to have been a policy that once the candidate
was chosen, there was to be no more name calling like you just did.

Honest discussion is one thing, what you did it totally another. I've seen freeps on this board post things that weren't as disparaging as what you just posted.

You may not agree with some of the things that the Kerry/Edwards campaign are doing, but 'stupid', which was actually mild compared to the entirety of your little rant, was uncalled for and inflammatory. Which was probably what you intended. Why? Was the purpose of your post to be offensive? If so, you succeeded.

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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 05:37 PM
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3. If you had another candidate in mind for the primary, you should have
voted your conscience. I did, because I knew I'd be voting for Kerry in the election. I wanted to make my statement...and I got to. Unlike the hundreds of disenfranchised voters in Detroit.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 05:42 PM
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 05:42 PM
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6. We're all frustrated. I feel your pain. But Dean would be even
further behind in the polls. A lot of moderate Dems, and most certainly most Independents, wouldn't even have considered voting for him. Much as I like some of his views and strong stances, they look good right now because he's not being scrutinized and picked over, like Kerry is. Dean is doing a great job speaking on behalf of Kerry.

Don't give up. Kerry comes on at the finish. The finish is not here yet. It's not such a bad thing for Bushies to think they have a shoe-in on their hands.

Yes, I wish I would see Kerry more on TV speaking strongly about this or that...and responding! I wonder why he isn't doing that. Is the media not giving him time?

I'm still going to vote for him. But if he doesn't start hitting it hard in the next two or so weeks, I fear for the outcome of this race.

(Be prepared to be flamed for the tone of your post...it's really not helpful to the Kerry campaign to wish he weren't the nominee. The fact is, he is.)
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crushbush04 Donating Member (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 05:59 PM
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10. You know where it really hit me
I am having this argument with this conservative friend of mine.

Its back and forth a typical political argument then she said ok lets discuss Kerrys senate record.

I said "Ok lets go then".

She suggested I find the Kerry bill or the Kerry and whoever Bill...

I do some quickie web research I was so ashamed to discover this lazy SOB doesnt have one.

I have to vote for him because I cant possibly vote for a republican...but damn... no legislation none nada zip!

What the hell has he been doing for the last twenty years?

This is the guy I have been defending all these months? This is the guy I was fighting for?
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arbusto_baboso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:05 PM
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11. So, Kerry not authoring bills is a big deal?....
Guess it doesn't matter that he broke Iran/Contra, or went after BCCI, then does it? Guess his voting record on environmental issues doesn't matter, either, huh?

Jeez, pal, if you're gonna cherry-pick this guy's record, you might as well just drink the Kool-Aid.
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crushbush04 Donating Member (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:19 PM
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19. Writing bills suggest advocacy...
and its a really big deal to me. It shows me what you are about. After twenty years You gotta have something, at least one document with your name attached to it.

Its interesting, because Dean brought this up in one of the last debates and, as I remember it, Kerry never answered it. He kinda brushed Dean off as ignorant about the Senate process.

At that point Dean was so descredited by the assholes in the media that I along with most just ignored anything he was saying so Kerry was in a position where he could simply aviod the question. We certainly should have been paying more attention.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:24 PM
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21. That's absurd.
Kerry's Senate record is stellar. Dean knew it, and he would be the first to admit it now.

it's also well known here that operatives for the GOP are working to depress voter turnout on the left and that some even invoke the names of Dean and Kucinich to do so.
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crushbush04 Donating Member (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:32 PM
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24. Do you know anybody...
That is seriously thinking of not voting to get rid of this abomination in the white house because of Kerrys inept abilites or because Dean, or God forbid, Kucinich, is not at the head of the ticket?

You should run away from anyone who thinks like that.

As much as I dislike what we have in Kerry, he is our investment and Monkeyman and Dr Doom Dick have got to go.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:45 PM
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25. Try reading my post below that answers what Kerry did in the Senate.
I dare you.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:08 PM
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12. You are a TERRIBLE researcher. Kerry only investigated and exposed more
Edited on Fri Sep-10-04 06:12 PM by blm
government corruption than any lawmaker in modern history. BCCI, IranContra, illegal wars in Central America ring any bells for you?

You are also amazingly obtuse about legislation and Senate protocol. SENIOR Senators get their names on the bills. Kennedy was the senior Senator.

And when he did write legislation it was IMPORTANT. because of his work exposing the terrorists' bank, BCCI, he ended up writing the bill that better tracked the funding of terrorism that Clinton signed, but Bush was not enforcing after he took office.

Kerry also took what he learned from shutting down the terrorists' bank and wrote a book in 1996 called The New War that alerted to the dangers of terrorism and how to shut down their global funding. Too bad so many Republicans refused to acknowledge terrorism as a serious issue. Had more of them read Kerry's book instead of working to STOP the investigations into terror and its funding to protect their corporate crook cronies, 9-11 could have been prevented.

BTW...Kerry also drafted the Hate Crimes legislation and the CHIPS bill that so many governors try to anoint themselves with. It was the Kennedy-Kerry bill but when Orrin hatch decided he wanted his name on it, Kerry was dropped as the name due to Senate rules. Kerry also wrote the legislation that put 100,000 more cops on the street.
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newsguyatl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:13 PM
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17. good post.
one of the first non dean-bashing posts i've seen from you, and a darn good one at that.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:20 PM
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20. That was SOOOO... 9 months ago.
.
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magnolia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:09 PM
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14. Why don't you...
...ask your friend to look up the Bush Bill? The only place you'll find that is on the bathroom wall of some dive in Texas!
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:28 PM
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23. Kerry wrote the first bill against acid rain (nt)
nt
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:10 PM
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16. Dean's record is MUCH more moderate than Kerry's.
So why, exactly, would moderate Dems have had a problem with voting for him?
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 05:43 PM
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7. oh please
Edited on Fri Sep-10-04 05:44 PM by WindRavenX
Dean would've been trashed a million times worse than Kerry.
Kerry is the real advocate; his voting record in the senate has shown him to be THE liberal voice in America.
Kerry may not be as loud as Dean, but in the end, Kerry's voice will still win this election.
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 05:44 PM
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8. They are doing a good job, apparently you are not
exactly keeping up with what news is shown by the cable media, Kerry is getting his message out no thanks to faux news and company, and we will win and all without the obvious biased news centers..

Oh ye of such little faith...

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GoneOffShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 05:48 PM
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9. OK, you're depressed, but
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crushbush04 Donating Member (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:09 PM
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13. That certainly makes me feel better
I am still not happy about voting for him but its really about getting anybody but the nut that is now ruining the country
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:15 PM
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18. Not happy? Try doing some real research.
Edited on Fri Sep-10-04 06:17 PM by blm
Your previous research was pretty damn lame. Kerry was one of the LEAST lazy Senators in history. Your insults directed at Kerry are an insult to your own research skills.
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liberal_in_GA Donating Member (439 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:26 PM
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22. Right--do some research before you run your mouth
with negative crap. As one sage DU posted here not too long ago, here are just some of Kerry's achievements:

In 1976, when John Kerry was a prosecutor in Massachusetts, he created the first victims- assistance unit in the country, and launched programs to counsel rape victims.

In 1985, during his first month as a Senator, he began the investigation that unraveled the entire Iran-Contra scandal. To sum up the scandal for those who missed it, government officials illegally sold arms to Iran, and then gave the money to Nicaraguan revolutionaries who were selling drugs inside the US.

In the late 1980s-early 1990s, Kerry helped investigate and dismantle the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI), which financed Muslim terrorist organizations through its money-laundering schemes. Osama bin Laden was a BCCI account holder.

In 1989, Kerry was one of the co-sponsors of the Family and Medical Leave Act, which allows millions of parents to take 3 months off of work after their child is born and have a job to come back to.

In the early 1990s, Kerry and McCain led a bi- partisan effort to open relations with Vietnam and return the remains of lost servicemen to their families.

When cattle farmers in South Carolina were facing a drought, Kerry called his friend, Fred Smith (the founder of Federal Express), for help and two FedEx planes airlifted hay to those farmers.

In his 28 years of service, Kerry has consistently shown his ability to work with people from all political parties, to root out corruption, and to help those in need.



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