Rove "hit order" on Rather ...smear and discredit Rather before the Kelly

[cthrumatrix]

book....they are freaking with two months to go.

There is no doubt ...they are in deep shit. Rove will have an all out attack on Rather.

Watch the smear in action folks....MSNBC, CNN & FOx are in deny facts mode from CBS tonight and are out to smear Rather.

My opinion...it's a measure of despearation...bigtime!

[buycitgo]

1. Is it just me, or am I the only one who expects CBS to back off,

or start softpedaling this story, as the rest of the media try to ignore it, letting it go the way of Funeralgate, Plame, Bob Graham's book, Larry Franklin, etc

CBS would most likely be VERY happy to let this story just GO AWAY

how wrong am I?

[truthisfreedom]

5. CBS gained huge viewership tonight IMHO. i believe they will be the new

news source for Liberals everywhere... and that's the majority of the country, which puts them in a great position. remember, cable carries CBS as well as CNN and Fox, and on my cable box, CBS is RIGHT NEXT TO CNN and PBS!

[Tatiana]

9. CBS will not back down.

After this evening, there is no doubt. Rather is going full steam ahead.

In fact, CBS has basically decided they don't give a fuck about access and they are just going to report the news. I expect them to be dropping more bombshells in the future. That's about the only direction they can take, at this point.

Rove has made it personal. It will be Bush's undoing, methinks.

[janx]

11. I don't think they will. Rather has as much as staked his

career on these memos.

[indie_voter]

13. They can't, their reputation is on the line. n/t

[whalerider55]

18. for what it's worth

CBS invented television news.
There is a long tradition here, from Murrow through Cronkite. Rather was the golden boy, the next in line.
He's lost some grandeur coming down through the ages, he's made some bad choices and played some losing hands.

But I think he's found his legs again, he's remembered why he got in the business.

And he's a Texan.

I say he's dusting himself off, and ready to see this through.

whalerider55

[karlrschneider]

21. I think you must be mostly wrong. They would NEVER have allowed this

story to go on air without REAL GOOD documentation. Hell, they have a couple dozen lawyers vetting this stuff, I'm sure. No way in hell would they go out on this long a limb without assurances. That's how I see it anyway...
:eyes:

[buycitgo]

23. not arguing that point at all. I believed them from the get go

my point is that I'm afraid, given the media's SPOTLESS record over the last decade at least, of failing to follow through on any story deleterious to Bush, or the junta.

there have been myriad chances, and they ALWAYS just let all these horrible stories fade away into the ether

what if they'd followed ANY of Cheney's lies about Saddam reconstituting his nucular program, starting with the BS in August of 02, or the marketing story of the same month, where some pug bragged about not pushing their product (war) until later in the year. media hoes just laughed cynically along with the pugs, instead of making an ISSUE out of that, and acting as their PR adjuncts, instead of making the SLIGHTEST effort to find out what was really happening inside the OSP, for example

getting headache from this

enough

it's fricking FRIDAY

time for some FUN

bye

[hlthe2b]

28. They took on the tobacco industry, for God's sake (even with the caveats)

they still managed to muster the courage....They've been sured before; thkknooo hhow to bee careful and ACCURATE.

I think they are in it for the long run. Remember Rather took on GHW Bush previously...

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

24. Not too wrong...

...esp since the rest of the media is going with the forgery angle, including the other two big broadcast networks and print media like the WaPo.

[GaryL]

27. No way.

Their integrity is at stake on this one. If the "fake document" issue remains anywhere on their radar, they have to address it, like it or not.

[Bush was AWOL]

42. No Way! Rather's Reputation and career is on the line

he isn't a coward like the rest of the reporters! He won't let them get the better of him! I will watch Dan Rather every single evening until he retires if he fights these thugs off and wins!

[Walt Starr]

2. Absolutely, the infotainment whores are losing it HUGE

and they will have ZERO credibility by the time this one is over!

[buycitgo]

8. vittaker valt, did you see my post, same time as yours?

what do you think?

I'm afraid of the unanimous rallying around gigantic media outlet CBS

they don't care about the truth any more than Joe Scarborough does, and they'll let Rather twist in the wind now, JUST like they did in 1988, when Poppy sandbagged him in that interview, nailing him for his tantrum over the tennis tournament

I really really hope I'm wrong, but give me one reason to be optimistic, ONE time when the media has followed ANY bush scandal to its conclusion

if they HAD, he'd be so far behind in the polls, we'd already have had another 'attack'

[GOPAgainstGW]

17. It was different then and Viacom owns them now & is VERY powerful

and 75% of their donations goes to Democrats!

[PROGRESSIVE1]

3. Cable is lost. Put the presure on ABC/NBC to cover Kitty Kelly FAIRLY!

Bombard them with emails and phone calls. Picket "The Today Show" and "GMA" if we must.

We need to get the other side covered!!!

[AmerDem]

4. I agree

They are busting at the seams and trying to hold everything together. Watch and see, even with the corporate media echo chamber, all at once shrubs numbers are going to plummet. They can do there best to fudge truth for awhile but after some times the lies can't be held up.

[kikiek]

6. The interesting thing will be if the other media stand up for real

journalism. Or bow to pressure from those in the charge of the country. This is make or break time for real journalism. Our media will be as reliable as China's if they don't stand up to the White House now. The irony is beyond belief. Funny how Bush criticized Saddam for saying he won 99 pct of the vote in their elections. They weren't mad that he tampered with the voting in Iraq. They wanted to know how did he get away with it.

[Nite Owl]

7. Rather has a long and solid reputation

and I think he knows what was going to happen. I remember reading something that he said a while ago, over a year ago at least that if reporters questioned anything after 9-11 they would be 'necklaced', referring to the tire around the neck that they do in some places to the opposition. He said it to a foreign press reporter in an interview. I have no link I just remember it.

[Stephanie]

10. That was in a BBC interview

I think it was for the BBC show Nightline? The transcript will turn up if you search for it. Greg Palast always tells that story.

[buycitgo]

12. and he also told Letterman that he was ready to just step in line

and say YES SIR to the pResident after 911

I don't trust ANY of them

this has just begun, and it's too early to tell what's going to happen

can't believe the near unanimous sanguinity around here

wish I weren't so pessimo, but that's what is

[DieboldMustDie]

26. I remember that and was appalled by it...

but, if memory serves, that was on Monday Sept. 17, 2001, a very emotional time for all of us. :shrug:

[crickets]

25. I remember it too

It made me so mad at Rather. He's redeemed himself tonight. I agree with you that I think he knows this is a story that could seriously damage his career and the sterling reputation of 60 Minutes. I truly think he's in "take no prisoners, show no mercy" mode.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2002/05_may/16/dan_rather.shtml
http://www.guardian.co.uk/bush/story/0,7369,717097,00.html

[SayitAintSo]

44. I remember the "necklace" interview ... it was really interesting....

That was the first time I had heard that kind of honesty about the lock the Bush administration has on the media. This is truly a test.

[olddem43]

14. It ain't over yet. Does anyone remember when CBS backed

down on the tobacco company story? They are not completely immune to threats.

[GOPAgainstGW]

15. Viacom (CBS) will bury these Hack Cable Nets if this is their Choice.

Viacom is huge and very powerful. Also 3/4 of Viacom exec and PAC money goes to Democrats, not that this has ANYTHING to do with Rathers integrity and this story. Dan Rather, who actually I have never been a fan, has more integrity in his little finger than the rest of these Cable new reporters combined.

He is also born and raised in Texas and cut his TV journalism teeth in Houston. Dan has MAJOR contacts and support in Texas.


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[Old and In the Way]

30. Maybe CBS sees an opportunity to gain marketshare?

The cable landscape has been moving more and more towards the Republican camp. Maybe CBS sees this opportunity to be truthful will also help them to build on a significant demographic that feels their views are being shut out in corporate media.

[bling bling]

47. I hope you're right but it makes me sad

that there is an "untapped market" of Americans out here who are wearily, yet hopefully, searching and waiting for a major news organization to service us with nothing more than the honest facts and the simple truth.

Tap away.....I'll buy it.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

37. It's the world's second largest media company and.....

owns practically every publishing house that exists.

[calimary]

40. His big break, nationally, was the Kennedy assassination coverage.

To this day he talks proudly of being a Texan. And he's not afraid of taking on presidents. Two hostile ones that I know of, right off the bat. I'm betting on Dan Rather. I hope to GOD this sticks to bush. All this is making me SHAKY!!!!!!!!!

[MO_Dem]

16. Let's not forget

Dan Rather is a REAL Texan, not a fake like geeduhbya.

edited to add that Rather is also a REAL American!

[GOPAgainstGW]

19. HERE IS THE "INSIDE SKINNY" ON WHAT IS GOING ON-GOING DOWN!

Dan Rather is a Texas native. He was born and raised outside Houston and then after completing college, cut his television journalist teeth at a National network station in Houston.

He took on the Bush Family "Texas Mafia"(BFTM) several times in the early 70's, and this current situation is more of the "blood feud" between he and H.W. Bush. Dan Rather is very solid, a real pro, first-class credibility (unlike those flake GOP-ops reporters at Fox), and will NOT back down from a deal that he knows he is right. I/we have never seen Dan do it once in 35 years!

The Bush Family Texas Mafia (BFTM) tries to destroy anyone that takes them on, hell just look at their damn track record. You all know this!

More importantly, we will make some phone calls on this deal, and in particular if CBS “60 Minutes” has something cooking to bag the BFTM on several matters we are aware. We keep hearing "little things" on this subject, plus the Washington Post has been digging on this next deal for over a year.

It has to do with the Bush Family corruption, documents the Fed accidentally discovered at Enron (which was a Bush Family business "front operation"), and Bush's "War Dog" House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (Houston) being under a massive Texas criminal grand jury investigation, for fraud, bribery, extortion, money laundering, and criminal abuse of his political office.

The big kicker is Bob “$200,000 donor to O’Neill’s SBVT” Perry (Houston) is involved with DeLay in his criminal enterprise and we mean BIG TIME! Also eleven (11) other BFTM members are involved, in varying degree, including the Texas Governor and other ranking elected State officials, and many of them could go to jail over this deal.

The BFTM is doing everything possible to keep the lid on it, and also get W elected. BFTM needs W elected so he can do Presidential Pardons for BFTM Enron buddies, (Ken Lay), DeLay, Perry, and others that get convicted and sent to prison over this massive criminal enterprise.

That in a nutshell is what’s going on with all the Bush-Cheney-GOP totally outright fraud in their campaign. They don’t have a platform to run on, so the con and fraud game is all they got! They are going nuts because Rather stuck his nose in it. If you recall Dan Rather has stayed pretty neutral in his reporting on the O’Neill-SBVT fraud scam. We know, what I just delineated, because we are well connected Republicans, have several influential Houstonians in our “Beat Bush” cartel, along with two Houston criminal attorney’s – NKR

PS: It should be noted that CBS is owned by Viacom. 70-75% of campaign donations by Viacom (VIA) executives and its political action committee, have gone to the Democratic Party and its candidates.
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[aint_no_life_nowhere]

29. Fascinating

"...We know, what I just delineated, because we are well connected Republicans, have several influential Houstonians in our “Beat Bush” cartel, along with two Houston criminal attorney’s – NKR..."

This merits its own separate discussion topic thread. If it's not indiscrete, and without revealing who you are, can you please elaborate upon some of the "influential Houstonians" from whom you are getting this information? I am particularly fascinated with the following regarding documents discovered at Enron and how you know about them:

"...It has to do with the Bush Family corruption, documents the Fed accidentally discovered at Enron (which was a Bush Family business "front operation"), and Bush's "War Dog" House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (Houston) being under a massive Texas criminal grand jury investigation, for fraud, bribery, extortion, money laundering, and criminal abuse of his political office..."

Are you saying the Justice Department under Ashcroft found these documents and that Ashcroft is now faced with the prospect of having a new AG under a Democratic President discover the nice little surprise after Ashcroft leaves?

[Bush was AWOL]

45. Great post! Thanks for the info!

[Crachet2004]

20. Actually, by tomorrow, I hope to see MSNBC-except scarborough-

Begin to back CBS up. It sounded as though Brokaw was halfway evenhanded this evening...

This will be a test of whether NBC and MSNBC are worth watching from here on out, in their own right.

I think tomorrow will be exciting.

[Darby]

22. Funny that * saw a DENTIST but no time for the DOCTOR??

[BigBigBear]

31. I dunno

I always had Rather pegged as a grandstanding shitstain. He rolled over for the Warren Commission - some of us have never forgotten that.

I believe in redemption though. We've had the Kneepad Sissies at Fox masquerading as journalists too long - you're retiring soon, Dan. Do the right thing and take Karl out.

And if you DID get punk'd on this, take 'em all out with you. This time, it really matters.

[Mika]

32. One word - ANTHRAX

Dan was a prime target.



Do ya'll think that those 5 or so "match stick letters" sent to varios politicians were a warning?


:scared:

[Walt Starr]

33. I'm betting Rather still has hold cards

and he's waiting to see who is a real journalist.

Within a week, he'll play the hold cards and prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt, destroying those who do not demonstrate journalistic integrity.

I bet any news agency with the actual guts to do an investigative report will be able to prove, beyond a doubt, these documents could have been created at the time.

Headline News has already run a story about how it is possible, but the guy who showed them it was possible said it would take too much work for a Lt. Col. to do it. They went halfway, but Rather is probably looking to see who follows it all the way through.

That's my take, anyway.

[wicket]

34. I agree

I trust Dan Rather, and I'm sure he's got something to totally discredit these idiots who are saying they are fakes. Go Dan!!! :D

[Walt Starr]

35. My theory is Rather has additional documents

that are unrelated to the real story, Bush AWOL.

Same font type. Same superscript, signed, and also found in some offical file somewhere else as corroborative evidence.

Rather is not finished with this by a longshot. Count on it.

[napi21]

38. Agreed. Dan is one of a very few ethical journalists left!

I don't always agree with him, but I trust him to be an honest reporter. Neither Dan nor CBS is going to buckle under this BS. I sounded to me like Dan wa issuing a challenge on tonights Evening News. If we get any additional information...we"ll report it!

I think Dan's from the era when reporters took it personaly when someone questioned their ethics! When that happened, they "gotch ya"!

[oasis]

36. "Killer Joe" Scarborough calls on Kerry to apologize for the forged

documents and "get it all behind him". Killer Joe claims that's the only way the controveersy won't backfire on Kerry's campaign and cause him to lose. Killer Joe went on to say that Rather got "burned" by the person who gave CBS the documents. :puke:

"Democratic" pollster Pat Cadell says if the documents are proven to be forged, that's it for Kerry. :eyes:

The rightwingers are digging in.

[Cha]

41. pat cadell needs to wash his

hair or something.

[calimary]

43. Oh shit. Pat Caddell. You had to bring up THAT pustule!

He is utterly revolting. He Zell-Millered before even Zell Zell-Millered.

[SayitAintSo]

46. Heard he was trying to "save his party,,,,"

With his comments on the Rather story... He can save us by just shutting the "Cheney" up and getting the hell out of the party ... He's an embarrassment ....

[Cha]

39. Wonder if Les Moonves will stand behind

Rather and CBS's 60 Minutes?