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metasphere Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:05 AM
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CBS story=Trojan horse in Kerry/Edwards machine???
In my opinion, the CBS story is poison that we should all get away from ASAP. Not to get into the minutiae too much, and as much as I hate to admit it, those documents do seem shaky at best, and if when all is said and done they are found to be bogus, the less invested in defending them and drawing conclusions from them the less damage.

The upside of the documents and the whole TXANG story seems minimal to me; the downside (if they are forgeries), with investigations into Nixon-style dirty tricks, "What did person X know and when did he know it?", etc, etc seems catastrophic.

The story is already building a weird kind of negative energy that is sucking the oxygen out of the other more on topic and positive campaign issues.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:05 AM
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1. nice try
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TrueAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:08 AM
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5. These freepers don't even try to hide it anymore
It's so pathetic.
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 12:01 PM
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58. Low post and being
undeclared; no identity in profile.......with a bold brazen, flaming attitude to boot.

I wish the mods would just give them a time out until November.

Or really let us have them for lunch.....without consequences....

:evilgrin:
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Prodemsouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:10 AM
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I disagree
I would not even give this thread starter a "nice try"- We obiviously hit a nerve. Go to Free Republic, laughable attempt to discredit by claiming a 10,000 dollar reward to reproduce the documents. Bush has been looking worried in recent appearences.
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Slit Skirt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:10 AM
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13. good job DU!!!
stop 'em in their tracks!!!!!
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Slit Skirt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:12 AM
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16. good job DU
smack 'em down.....right in their tracks!
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:07 AM
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2. What are the issues that Kerry supports, that you do as well?
I'd like to get an idea of what you think is important to you, for him to talk about. A lot of attention gets focused on Viet Nam.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:07 AM
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3. What does the CBS story have to do with the Kerry/Edwards campaign?
What's the connection?
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Kazak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:08 AM
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4. Welcome to DU
;)
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KC21304 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:08 AM
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You can't fake the fact that Bush lied on his application to get
into TANG,lied on his application to go to ALA, and his superiors lied on paper work to get him an honorable discharge. All the documents for these facts have been out there forever.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:12 AM
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Prodemsouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:15 AM
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18. Hello, welcome to DU you made my day.. Folks we have hit a nerve more
proof just above me they are out in force today- Im hope the mods let this one stay- please, oh please- this one will be fun.
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blademan Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:18 AM
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24. Thank you for your support...
Now, would you care to address the non-existent AFM that supposedly reuired a flight physical?

Naw, didn't think so.

So, how long do you think they'll let me stay?
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Prodemsouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:24 AM
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36. Naw, didn't think so,HA HA,That you are unaware that you can't respond
Edited on Sat Sep-11-04 11:30 AM by Prodemsouth
to a question immediately via posting makes you even more stupid than I first thought.
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liberal_in_GA Donating Member (439 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:24 AM
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37. Hey, if you believe Shrub served his duty...
I have a few kilos of coke I'd like to sell you....
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:25 AM
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39. The intellectual level of your arguments have convinced me
THAT YOU'RE A DEAD FUCKING FREEPER!!!!!

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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:59 AM
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56. Maybe this is coming from Karl Rove
Edited on Sat Sep-11-04 11:59 AM by amber dog democrat
i would NOT put it past him and other Repugs from the Swift Boat liars
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Prodemsouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:17 AM
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21. No one died from that lie
n/t
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blademan Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:21 AM
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29. But the point is....
why would anyone have to lie about the non-existent AFM?
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:29 AM
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44. Actually, the real point is
YOU'RE A FUCKING DEAD FREEPER!!!

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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:58 AM
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55. How come your post count never goes up?
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Joylaughter Donating Member (498 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:19 AM
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25. Bush put his hand on the bIble
to restore honor and dignity to the White House. He has done neither. He mislead us into war and that makes him an L I A R and since he put his hand on the Bible when he took office he is always under oath while administering the duties of president.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:20 AM
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26. Clinton lied about a blow job, Bush lied about why he send people to die
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Joylaughter Donating Member (498 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:20 AM
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27. Bush put his hand on the Bible
and said he would restore honor and dignity to the White House. He has done neither. He mislead us into war and that makes him an L I A R and since he put his hand on the Bible when he took office he is always under oath while administering the duties of president.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:22 AM
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32. When will Bush appear under oath?
As long as Republicans control Congress, the answer is never.

Clinton lied about a tawdry affair of consensual sex....I would have, too. Bush lied about the causus belli for war against Iraq....10s of thousands died. Let's put him under oath and ask him a few questions, shall we?

You poor silly people really ought to stop drinking the Kool Aid.
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:23 AM
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34. Gee, lying about one's sex life vs.....
lying about everything else during one's entire life. No contest there. Bushie is definitely the biggest piece of lying crap we've seen since Nixon.
Go whine in freeperville.
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OilemFirchen Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:25 AM
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40. That's pretty funny...
... impeaching a president for lying about a blowjob with gums firmly planted around the penis of a guy who's never told the truth in his life, whose lies have cost thousands of lives, millions of jobs, and respect around the world.

Serious haw-haw.
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Lefta Dissenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:08 AM
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6. WOW
I know a place where there are a lot of people who think like you! :eyes:
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jjmalonejr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:09 AM
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7. Thanks for the advice
If it's a Trojan horse, though, perhaps CBS could enlighten us as to the source of these documents.

Could it lead to the White House?

I'm just saying, is all...
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:09 AM
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8. Yeah, I don't agree either - the SBV aggregiously lied and that
helped the Chimp. Bad attitude.
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Libby2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:09 AM
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9. CBS does not = Kerry/Edwards
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:23 AM
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35. What do you mean?
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maine_raptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:09 AM
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10. By "we"
As in "we should all get away from ASAP", do you mean "We" Dems or "You" Repugs?
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:10 AM
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11. Damn burned another one
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:10 AM
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12. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
Oh man, you had me going for a second!
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:11 AM
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14. Well, you can take that idea
and shove it where the sun don't shine. This is NOT one's timid little Democratic Party anymore. We play tough now. GET IT?
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frank frankly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:12 AM
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15. trooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
IDIOT!
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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:16 AM
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19. They can't even let their post counts build anymore
the anger is just toooo great....

Truth be demand!!! (for those of you on here last evening...) :)
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:17 AM
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23. Truth be Demand, Get a Brain, Morans!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

:silly:
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:16 AM
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20. Documents ain't shaky, but George is.
Elitist bastard who never felt a consequence before. He and Sell-it-on-eBay Cheney don't live in our world and don't care if we die.

They think their shit don't stink but we can smell it from here.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:17 AM
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22. Funny, very funny
son go back to freeperland
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jab105 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:20 AM
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28. WTF people...I agree with this to an extent...
I've been saying forever that we need to focus on the present, hold Bush accountable for the present...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=789798

all of the mudslinging has been by Bush...but, if you ask anyone theyll say that Kerry is just as dirty...even though it isnt true...this just makes people think that he is dirtier...

I think this kind of stories with its endless arguments about typewriter balls is going to turn many people off...

Its great to call someone a troll who doesnt agree with you, but I disagree...

And at this point on this board, its hard to disagree without being called a troll yourself...and that is incredibly sad by itself...:cry:
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:26 AM
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41. Tinfoil hat time...
The documents were re-created as forgeries, though with enough credibility so CBS would take the bait. When they do, JUMP!!

I wouldn't put this past Karl Rove - putting out poison bait for the media.

Now I don't really believe this, but it is possible.
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Joylaughter Donating Member (498 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:21 AM
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30. Bush put his hand on the Bible
and said he would restore honor and dignity to the White House. He has done neither. He mislead us into war and that makes him an L I A R and since he put his hand on the Bible when he took office he is always under oath while administering the duties of president.
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Joylaughter Donating Member (498 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:22 AM
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31. * put his hand on the Bible
and said he would restore honor and dignity to the White House. He has done neither. He mislead us into war and that makes him an L I A R and since he put his hand on the Bible when he took office he is always under oath while administering the duties of president.
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Joylaughter Donating Member (498 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:22 AM
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* put his hand on the bible
and said he would restore honor and dignity to the White House. He has done neither. He mislead us into war and that makes him an L I A R and since he put his hand on the Bible when he took office he is always under oath while administering the duties of president.
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jab105 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:22 AM
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33. sorry...
Edited on Sat Sep-11-04 11:26 AM by jab105
double post...
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Paradise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:24 AM
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38. Trojan Horse On Trojan Horse!
bye :hi:
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:27 AM
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42. tinfoil hat time
The documents were re-created as forgeries, though with enough credibility so CBS would take the bait. When they do, JUMP!!

I wouldn't put this past Karl Rove - putting out poison bait for the media.

Now I don't really believe this, but it is possible. I also don't think this is what the original poster meant either.
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:28 AM
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43. tin foil hat time
The documents were re-created as forgeries, though with enough credibility so CBS would take the bait. When they do, JUMP!!

I wouldn't put this past Karl Rove - putting out poison bait for the media.

Now I don't really believe this, but it is possible.
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Heath.Hunnicutt Donating Member (454 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:31 AM
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45. That could be a fair point.
In particular, we need to stop with the fixation on single entities. Dan Rather seemed a little emotional to me the other night, when he was speaking about comparing the two documents. Minutia could bring us down.

On the other hand, according to Matt Kelley of the Washington D.C. office of the Associated Press (via the Seattle Post-Intelligencer):

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/apwashington_story.asp?category=1151&slug=Bush%20Guard%20Flights&searchdiff=1&searchpagefrom=1

George Junior's flight logs are now available for display to the Associated Press.
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Heath.Hunnicutt Donating Member (454 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:32 AM
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46. That could be a fair point.
In particular, we need to stop with the fixation on single entities. Dan Rather seemed a little emotional to me the other night, when he was speaking about comparing the two documents. Minutia could bring us down.

On the other hand, according to Matt Kelley of the Washington D.C. office of the Associated Press (via the Seattle Post-Intelligencer):

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/apwashington_story.asp?category=1151&slug=Bush%20Guard%20Flights&searchdiff=1&searchpagefrom=1

George Junior's flight logs are now available for display to the Associated Press.
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Heath.Hunnicutt Donating Member (454 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:32 AM
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47. That could be a fair point.
In particular, we need to stop with the fixation on single entities. Dan Rather seemed a little emotional to me the other night, when he was speaking about comparing the two documents. Minutia could bring us down.

On the other hand, according to Matt Kelley of the Washington D.C. office of the Associated Press (via the Seattle Post-Intelligencer):

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/apwashington_story.asp?category=1151&slug=Bush%20Guard%20Flights&searchdiff=1&searchpagefrom=1

George Junior's flight logs are now available for display to the Associated Press.
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slor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:32 AM
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48. I wish the story would "suck the oxygen"...
out of your stupidity.
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unfrigginreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:33 AM
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49. Ya'll are going to take all the fun out of the party here on election eve
I'm beginning to worry that there won't be anyone left for the "great unveiling."
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luaneryder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:35 AM
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50. Did this same routine happen right before the 2000 election?
I didn't know about DU back then and wondered if trolls came out in force back then as they seem to be doing in recent weeks. Is it me or do they seem to manifest more heavily when their boy is in trouble?
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:43 AM
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52. DU didn't exist in Nov 2000.
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Heath.Hunnicutt Donating Member (454 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:36 AM
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51. That could be a fair point.
In particular, we need to stop with the fixation on single entities. Dan Rather seemed a little emotional to me the other night, when he was speaking about comparing the two documents. Minutia could bring us down.

On the other hand, according to Matt Kelley of the Washington D.C. office of the Associated Press (via the Seattle Post-Intelligencer):

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/apwashington_story.asp?category=1151&slug=Bush%20Guard%20Flights&searchdiff=1&searchpagefrom=1

George Junior's flight logs are now available for display to the Associated Press.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:43 AM
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53. blademan lasted one post
what a dumb ass..didn`t have enough brain power to last past one post...
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:50 AM
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54. What would you like on your tombstone?
pepperoni?

BWAHAHAHAHA!
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metasphere Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 12:00 PM
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57. My point
is not to piss people off. Thanks for the insults anyway.

The point is merely a tactical one.

It's reported that Clinton told Kerry last week to steer the campaign to the present, to the economy and jobs, to healthcare policy. We should follow suit. Stop talking about 30 years ago, and especially get away from something that could have a huge downside.

Lets talk about the right to choose, about regaining respect and leadership in diplomacy, about budget deficits and how to fix them...
These are the WINNING issues.

THAT is my point.
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Slit Skirt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 12:05 PM
Response to Reply #57
59. yeah, yeah, yeah
here's a winning issue....bush sat on his ass reading my pet goat while people died

here's another winning issue
bush send's our kids to spill their blood for haliburton profits and neocon agenda............. yet, you don't see the bush girls in the service nor did he go to Viet Nam....
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 12:11 PM
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60. locking
flame bait
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