Kerry is a wimp! (Part 2)

[kstewart33]

Anyone who views Kerry as a wimp is Cheney (referring to the last thread)? Having given hundreds of dollars to the Kerry campaign, that hurts.

I stand by my statement. He is not fighting back. Or if he is, he's doing a lousy job of it.

If he was fighting back effectively, we'd have loads of threads titled something like "Way to go Kerry!" and "Give 'em hell John!"

Seen any of those lately?

[JI7]

1. who is the real wimp now ?

[Mr_Spock]

2. Waaah, waaah, waaaah

Quit all the damn whining.

[LoZoccolo]

3. Continuing an argument from another thread is against the rizzules.

:hi: :nuke:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

4. Yes I've seen several. Again..demonstrate the George Bush does his

own attacks...and is this some attention getting ploy? Why did you need to start two threads? I gave money too....nice seeing other DU'ers waste it spreading RW memes. Is this going to help the Kerry campaign? Will this post make your contributions MORE valuable? Isn't this the same as the RW smears? I don't seem to be able to tell the difference.

[JohnKleeb]

8. about the support of Kerry's attack thing

papau has one about Kerry's statement on the AWB, and he tries to say that Bush is helping terror by supporting repealing it, I'll go kick it.

[Lefta Dissenter]

5. No, what I'm seeing a lot of is

panicked freepers who keep coming to DU to post their shit. If they weren't so worried about their own candidate, they'd stay over there and post happy little threads in their OWN forum!

[Prodemsouth]

23. You nailed it , BTW, how do we know if someone gave to the Kerry

camp.

[redstateblues]

6. More Bullshit- Part 2- I Said You Sound like Cheney-

If you can't stand the heat don't impugn John Kerry's Character. I'll defend him against your unfair attack

[kstewart33]

7. Okay guys, I give up.

Haven't changed my opinion, but this nail that sticks up is getting hammered down pretty good.

I wasn't aware of the rule so that won't happen again.

But let me know when you see one of those 'give 'em hell john' threads, will you?

[Dogmudgeon]

15. You poor thing

On the other hand, posting "Kerry is a Wimp" here at DU does nothing to help the Kerry campaign.

You may want to send him an e-mail exhorting him to crack open a six-pack of Whoop-Ass™.

--bkl

[Blue_Roses]

20. what have you been doing to help the campaign?

other than bitch about what Kerry isn't doing.:eyes:

[liberalmuse]

9. Well...

IMO, this type of sh*t isn't going to help Kerry win. I think he is doing what he needs to do. Liberals are going to once again f*ck themselves by being overly critical of their own candidate, who is THE best chance we have to beat Bush in these scary times where most Americans are apathetic, at best, about the political situation in their country, and worst, borderline facist.

The best thing we can do is to stand behind Kerry right now. Christ, the one thing the 'pubs have going for them is they can unite, even if it's behind a total f*cking, dangerously incompetent moron. We have probably one of the best candidates possible, and we are the ones shooting ourselves in the foot, not Kerry. Goddamn it!!!

[luaneryder]

18. This is it!

Dems seem to be their own worst enemy at times. I thought that once the convention was over that Dems would stand behind and stand up for their candidate.

[SeekingTruth]

10. Kernel of truth here....

Let's face it people....there is a kernel of truth here...and if you don't believe it then ask yourself, "Between Bush, Cheney, Kerry and Edwards, which are seen as the toughest and more masculine."

And the show stopper is when you ponder how is it that a person who has actually been in combat is perceived to be the less masculine of Bush and Cheney. What does it say when public opinion shows Bush and Cheney are described as tough, resolute, firm, strong and so on.

So there is a problem here....

And I'm not a freeper or a whiner, just calling it like I see it...

[Lefta Dissenter]

14. HAHAHA

"And the show stopper is when you ponder how is it that a person who has actually been in combat is perceived to be the less masculine of Bush and Cheney. "

Yeah, what I find so masculine is a man who hides while our country is being attacked, and can't answer a direct question without wetting himself. :eyes:

[redstateblues]

16. I don't buy that RNC spin- It's an ad campaign for god's sake

Kerry made great gains in that area after the convention.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

24. Yeah it's much more "butch" to have daddy pull strings than

to serve in a war in which we sacrificed 50,000 troops for jack shit. If you are sincere, all I want to know is where the fuck you put that kind of interpretation together since I know it exists and is dead wrong...if you aren't sincere...you won't be able to contain yourself for long and we'll all find out.

[SeekingTruth]

26. Polls and listening to how people talk...

Here is how I have grown to be familiar with these interpretations...

I work in an environment of ultra-masculine males who are pro-Repug....there are a number of liberals or moderates in my profession.

And I listen to their talking and how they respond to Bush and Cheney in contrast to Kerry and Edwards.

Then I watch the media very closely and read quite a great deal. The interpretations are quite clear.

And this makes me sick - I asked a co-worker the other day to show me one aspect of Bush or Cheney's life where either of them have ever put it all on the line for anything. Both have eaten from the silver spoon all their lives. Then I contrasted them to Kerry's actions...

So it is there, whether we agree with it or not....and I don't like that this perception is there, but it is.

[LynnTheDem]

29. You sure SOUND like

a freeper...

[SeekingTruth]

33. That is a damn insult...

Let me tell you something about myself...and then you can make any other silly opinion...

I'm an unabashed liberal democrat and have been one for years. I was in the army from 90-93 - during the election of Clinton. Now I work in a field full of Repugs. I know how they think. I've been around it for years.

The thing about human nature is we tend to group with those just like us and in my case, I would sure love to work with a majority of my kind, but can't. It's not possible. So I think I have a unique opportunity to learn of my political enemy, and is it scary.

And that is our problem as liberals - we don't know our enemy as well as we should. That is a key to winning - knowing all you can about your enemy.

Now, do you still think I'm a freeper? If you do, why don't you give me your secret test and blood oath so I can prove it....give me a break....

[Misunderestimator]

28. Masculine... guffaw.... mmm hmm Cheney with his heart condition

has such a machismo strength to him ... clearly the fact that Edwards has a far higher approval rating than Cheney means nothing to you. You go ahead and vote for the more "masculine" of the pairs. I for one think it is more masculine to have gone to Vietnam believing it to be a good thing, find out how wrong it was, and come home and face national criticism for speaking against it. I suppose flipping burgers at a barbecue and getting drunk for twenty years is more masculine in your mind. And who the hell cares about masculine anyway. Strong, yes... Smart, yes... with a modicum of integrity, yes. Masculine... :eyes:

On a side note, and not referencing anyone in particular... has anyone noticed how many new members are willing to make posts that expose themselves? Odd thing, that. I smell desperation here.

[SeekingTruth]

34. Look at it this way....

Watch the imagery on the TV with the sound off...the majority of information in language is BODY language, not verbal.

Now, I'm not saying I like this - why is that people always want to pick and choose meaning in other's posts instead of asking for a clarification, I'll never know - but I recognize it. And we MUST recognize it to defeat it.

And here's one more thing to really watch - I know the particulars of the debates have not been worked out yet, but the thing to watch is how they set up the environment of the debates, especially between Cheney and Edwards. If the Dems roll over, Edwards and Cheney will be sitting down. (However, they may feel Edwards likability far outweighs any benefit of standing and the Dems don't need to do it).

Finally, I personally thing Bush and Cheney are big fucking cowards. They have hid behind the pant legs of others for their entire lives. And I have nothing for contempt for them and think Kerry is more of a man than both of them combined. But WE know this. And we are not the ones who must be sold on Kerry. We must get those who are tipping back and forth.

Back to imagery for a bit - look at Kerry's clothes and activities. This says it all. Who the hell shoots clay pigeons in khaki pants and expensive shirts!?!? Or his windsurfing! (Or his wife throwing the sweater over the shoulders) It's like the damn Dukakis tank ride all over again...and this stuff does matter....

[Misunderestimator]

35. You're absolutely right... body language and facial expressions are

critical... and Bush's snears and grimaces and grinning at inappropriate times don't do much to advance your theory. I've seen Kerry in person, and he is electric. He is graceful and intelligent and has all the qualities of great leadership.

Now why would it matter if Cheney and Edwards sit or stand? Edwards already far outpaces Cheney in approval ratings. You think that he would somehow shrivel into some "non-masculine" body language if he is sitting? I'm not sure I'm getting your point there.

Shooting clay pigeons in khaki pants... LOL... How about Bush's antics on his "ranch", his inability to ride a bike or eat a pretzel?

And a sweater over the shoulder??? You've gotta be fucking kidding me! How the hell is that a negative? I'm sure that Laura owns sweaters and has worn them over her shoulder.

Trying to turn Kerry into something he's not is pointless. Why would we want a president who postures in a way that is completely unnatural? We have one already.

Great idea to suggest that our candidate be someone else simply because half of the country still supports Bush. Well, half the country supports Kerry you know. And, I for one, wouldn't be too happy to see him buy a ranch somewhere and pretend to be a good ole boy, just to win an election.

I would just LOVE to see Bush windsurf... he'd be down in a matter of seconds.

[SeekingTruth]

36. The major qualifier...

Who do you think "won" the Gore/Bush debates?



Okay, a huge voting bloc in the US right now is women that want to feel safe. I'm not being sexist, but just pointing out what is known. Now, do misunderstand me at all - I think Kerry, or Gore, will or would have done a much better than Bush/Cheney has. But my point in all of this is how it is all manufactured and sold to the American public.

I take it you have seen F/9/11. Well, so have I. So the question is, how much of that video has been seen by the American people? Not much.

From the start, Bush has been given a green light in fair criticism and will probably receive it still. That is why we have to carve out what we can and the appearance of "elitism" is killing us.

As I keep writing, Kerry does not have to get our vote....he has it. It is the others they must get. Sure, it might seem petty to pick in Kerry's clothing and sports, but he's got to connect with those who can't see him.

Standing or sitting you ask - sitting Cheney will probably be able to paint a picture of a stern fatherly type figure at the table with his rebellious young son. To the undecided or wavering people out there it will be a picture of calm, safety and protection.

Whether one likes it or not, a lot of this campaign comes down to charm and likability. And to not recognize this sad fact is a problem the Dems have had for quite some time.

[Cascadian]

31. I agree with you there.

They really need to start acting tough. Do people really want to lose this election????? They need to start getting tough and fight! I am so frustrated over this. I am really trying hard not to attack or slam Kerry/Edwards but for crissakes I really wished they would attack! If we lose this election, mark my words, I am not going to hold nothing and I mean nothing back!


Check this article out.


http://www.thestranger.com/current/feature2.html

Think, Democrats....THINK!


John

[Gyre]

11. Don't worry about it

There are a few democrat brown-shirts in DU who don't like people's opinions when they're critical of their candidate. So those who're willing to express their opinions get attacked as freepers sometimes.

I'd suggest they'd spend their time more profitably by stealing lawn signs they disagree with.:)

Gyre

[Octafish]

12. Keep spreading the phony meme.

It really helps our side. Not.

[freetobegay]

13. Wow! With friends like this who needs enemies!

[spanone]

17. Hide this thread....or send it to freeperville.

[Blue_Roses]

19. give it a rest and step away from the computer

you are making a fool out of yourself:eyes:

[Media_Lies_Daily]

21. I'm seeing a major whiner...

...unfortunately, that's you.

[unfrigginreal]

22. You're better at it than most but

not quite good enough to remain stealth.

[creeksneakers2]

25. Bush has been openly plotting to shift the tax burden

to the working and middle classes. Bush even wants a national sales tax. Dems could effectively attack on this. Its been ignored for the AWOL story. It will probably be ignored next week for the Bush did coke story. AWOL or coke won't change a thing. The threat of paying more taxes will scare voters back into the Kerry column.

If Bush wins they'll say he ran on dumping the tax burden on the poor and middle classes and the voters approved. They'll claim a mandate.

[oasis]

27. Cheney's calculated comment is condemned by most folks, especially Dems.

I just don't see how promoting Cheney's propaganda helps us?

[AndyTiedye]

30. Of Course He's Fighting Back, But He Has To Fight...

...Faux, ABC, CNN, and NBC and the referee (Diebold) as well as the BushRove machine,
so it is not too surprising that he isn't exactly winning the fight at the moment.

If we do win, it is because we put on the mother of all grassroots campaigns.

[Cascadian]

32. Look at this article......

http://www.thestranger.com/current/feature2.html



Tells you how I feel.


John

[rasputin1952]

37. I am locking this thread...

It is not an ideal situation to continue a deleted/locked thread in another thjread, as has been done here. Please refrain from reposting this thread, or a derivative of the same.

Thank you for your understanding.

[Name removed]

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