Is JK's dip in polls the result of lame responses to Rethug attacks?

[Fed Up]

Could it be that a lot of fence sitters that were drawn to Kerry in July and August saw his weak response to all the attacks, and thought, "OK, he won't attack the Rethugs except with kid gloves, maybe he won't attack our enemies around the world either. I am not crazy about Bush, but I might as well stick with the devil I know."

How else can you explain Bush breaking through the 46% glass ceiling?

I don't think it has anything to do with Bush being seen as a great choice or great "perteckter of Ummurica." It has to do with Kerry not attacking more.

You think Reagan would have talked about Carter's many failings by using the kid glove approach? Reagan's attaks MADE people run to his side.

Mike Malloy pointed out the lame response that Edwards gave to Cheney's wild accusation last week. Some mush about "Dick Cheney knows better than to say things like that." come on, John, tell them that 9/11 happened under Cheney and Bush's nose, and they failed America. Say that Rethuglicans in the 1990s opposed some of the anti terror stuff that Clinton suggested, like tracers in fertilizers.


Don Imus may be a news whore, but deep down I think he wishes he could go on his radio program and say shit like, "Jesus, is this Kerry guy on fire or what? He's the man to lead America, just look at him knock down the Bushies like bowling pins, calling them outright liars and cheats, calling them war profiteers and and corporate stooges. I love it." Instead, Imus is forced to sit with his finger up his ass and mutter, "Ah well, it looks like it's gonna be Bush."


The debates will be the final chance.

[JI7]

1. Convention bounce

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. no every convention sees a small bounce

both kerry's and bush's were small... also during conventions the candidate for the other party does not speak much

This is why bounces are usually expected, but not a two point bounce for bush, and the five point for Kerry in this environment was actually good

This is part of the cycle

Remember only poll taht counts is Novermber Second

[demokatgurrl]

3. I think that's part of it-

For some reason, Kerry was trying to be a "gentleman" while running against ruthless thugs. I hope he's learned from the experience.

A bit part of it, though, is that the media is not our friend. They are bought, sold, and owned by the neocons. We are fighting uphill. I think JK can do it though but he really has to keep the gloves off and hammer away.

[vi5]

4. No, the result of a whore media....he was damned either way...

If he got his back up more about it they would have said he was hiding something and flailing wildly. Either way he was fucked.

[buycitgo]

7. zackly.....it's the MEDIA stupid!

the MEDIA created the swiftliar phenomena.....100 percent

it was a TINY media buy, but the media, especially cable, played the first ad over and over and over and over, BEFORE it was broadcast

Now, how many times have you seen the Texans for truth ad? Instead the media is going NUTS over the bogus story re: forged documents, when the real story is the SUBSTANCE of said docs

state after state polls reveal that voters have real questions about Kerry's Vietnam service, including states where the ad was never shown

where, pray tell, did THAT come from

it's all about the media, and it scares the crap out of me

[TheFarseer]

5. That, and the attacks themselves

[funky_bug]

6. Is low-poster rise at DU the result of lame freeper-fears?

Seriously - if you're not a freeper, I apologize. But MAN OH MAN is this forum full of "newbies" today. It's actually encouraging! It looks to me like the freepers are shakin' in their boots. Sorry guys, but it's going to take A LOT more than that to shake up our confidence in our candidate. Bush and his record speak for themselves. We have a poor economy, a huge deficit, and an unneccessary war... move back to free republic where people will actually listen to this bs.

[buycitgo]

9. good point about freeps.....this ''lame Kerry response'' BS really

gets me.

he was screwed either way. the mere appearance of such scabrous lies was a boon to the Rove scheme.....it doesn't MATTER whether anything they say is true or not. as long as it had the TINIEST shred of credibility, Rove etal can COUNT on the media to run it into the ground, as they did with the swiftliars, and as they're now doing with the forgery story

it's NOT about Kerry's response, it's about the fact that the pugs fill the room with shit to the point that it's impossible to breathe. then they wait for the room to clear, and see if any of it has stuck to the wall. whatever has, and whatever the media goes with, is a positive for them

look back to the Kerry intern story, the Kerry at the murder meeting in KC, stuff like those....they didn't stick for long, but they're out, and they keep trying, every day

there are so many others like that, but memory fails.....you know what I mean

[jab105]

10. They aren't shaking...they'd rather talk about 35 years ago ALL DAY LONG..

because it keeps the focus off of the last four years...its about accountability...you can MENTION Bushs guard duty, but get over the focus on it...believe me, its a good move...I'm sick of Vietnam...I was sick of Vietnam when we were talking about Kerry, and now I'm much more sick of it, talk about TODAY, TODAY'S ISSUES!!

Seriously, I dont knw whats true any more in regard to the TANG memos, and if I cant figure it out, and I'll admit, I'm a very partisan democrat...then do you think that the swing voters are going to give two shits...no, time to get over this...arguing ad nausem isnt going to help at this point...

Check out the thread that I keep attempting to start on just that topic:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x789798

[Fed Up]

11. Mike Malloy himself said some of the same stuff. No, I'm not a Fr

they are animals over there. Nobody wants JK to get 270 electoral votes more than me.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

12. Yeah, noticed that too...

I actually sent two alerts today (my first ever), because of the weird sort of posts I kept running into..subtle, subversive, apologizing for playing devil's advocate, statements like,"I know you don't like to hear this but...", appealing to the fair nature of most DU'ers. More than I've seen in my short 4 months time here. MKJ

[kerry-is-my-prez]

8. If Kerry was a Repub - they'd be screaming "How DARE you question him?"

over and over again. They'd be very indignant. The Dems - on the other hand are a bunch of wimps - scared to show any sign of anger. Out leaders allow themselves to be pushed around, spit on.

[WiseMen]

13. Kerry NEGATIVES were going up before the Convention. Smear believed by

some to some degree. That was enough to change the dynamics.

A challenger is always vulnerable to being "defined" by the
incumbent. Not being agressive from the start was a deadly
mistake by the campaign.

[gulliver]

14. Yes. But Kerry has taken of the gloves.

Let's compare characters. As Kerry said, Bush truly is all hat, no cattle. Scratch Bush, you get yellow.