Is it true that no President has even won without winning Missouri?

[TexasDem4life]

I have my pube relatives telling me this, and they are pointing out that Bush is up by 14 points. I find this REALLY hard to believe. Can someone point me to some facts to throw back in their faces?

From behind enemy lines,
John

[Hello_Kitty]

1. I always hear the same thing about New Mexico...

Thing is, Al Gore actually won that state though just barely. Oh yeah...Al Gore actually won the popular vote too. My bad.

I guess in the end it may not matter if he steals it again anyway.:mad:

[jbm]

2. Kerry will win Missouri...

I live in a small town, and the dems are fired up and turning out for every single event in HUGE numbers. Don't believe the polls. The cities always vote dem, and the smaller towns will too this year.

[Andy_Stephenson]

11. Missouri uses

Diebold and ES&S optical scan machines.

[ramblin_dave]

3. Yeah, Gore won in 2000 without Missouri but then

was cheated in Florida.

[Mad As Hell]

4. Still here?

Enjoy your stay and give our regards to your people.:puke:

[Vickers]

5. What are your relatives smoking? I looked at two polls

And both were about the same...Bush was leading, but it was like 48 to 46 with 5% undecided with a margin-of-error of 4%.

Hardly a landslide, and easily within the error margin.

[Spazito]

6. My, my, my...

I am amazed at how "supportive" and "positive" you are! Being very busy posting every pro-bush thing you can find and so quickly must be exhausting!

[TexasSissy]

7. I have a list of "musts" for winning a Prez election...but I've never

heard of this one.

[WoodrowFan]

8. true for recent elections

since 1900 only two candidates have won the Presidency and lost Missouri, McKinley in 1900 and Eisenhower in 1956. The 2000 election of course gets a huge friggin * next to it.

[Jon8503]

9. Not True, Bush won MO in 2000 but lost the election

[Jon8503]

10. Not True, Bush won MO in 2000 but lost the election

[wildflower]

12. I have heard this about Ohio and Ohio only. n/t

[Andy_Stephenson]

13. 31 counties in Ohio use

Diebold optical scans.


"I gurantee to deliver Ohio's Electoral votes to George Bush"

Walden O'Dell
CEO Diebold Corp.

[Demoiselle]

18. Ohio only applies to Republicans.

"No Republican candidate has ever won without Ohio." But Democrats have won without Ohio.

[Andy_Stephenson]

19. AH but Diebold is in 37 states

Key counties. November is a train wreck waiting to happen, in terms of voting that is.

The old rules do not apply when Global Election Systems (a.k.a Diebold) is on the job.

:eyes:

[Jon8503]

14. No, not true, Bush won MO in 2000 but lost the election to Gore

[Jon8503]

15. Sorry about the extra posts, kept getting an error message

and did not think it took. Can't find how to delete the message.

[Jackpine Radical]

16. George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson--

Not a one of them carried MO.

[demgrrrll]

17. Does not look that bad and I am getting e mails from the Kerry campaign

with sign up times in September. See Atri0s <http://www.atrios.blogspot.com/>

[iwantmycountryback]

24. That's reassuring

lol. No repukes have ever won without Ohio, so I think if we win PA and Florida we don't need Ohio. (Which is good because of DIEBOLD)

[JPJones]

26. To be fair, Jefferson had a very small campaign staff in MO.

[Zynx]

20. 1956. Ike won and Stevenson won Missouri.

[Terran]

21. BULLSHIT

Bush is NOT "up by 14 points" in Missouri. I don't know where you or your relatives heard such crap but it's bull. The polls have a dead heat here, and they're not taking into account some 400,000 newly registered mostly Dem voters. Kerry will win Missouri.

[struggle4progress]

22. Here's some recent data:

Kerry, Bush Very Close In Missouri
(CPOD) Sept. 10, 2004 – The state of Missouri remains a closely contested battleground in the 2004 United States presidential race, according to a poll by Zogby Interactive published in the Wall Street Journal Online. 48.9 per cent of respondents would vote for Democratic nominee John Kerry in the election, while 48.5 per cent would support Republican incumbent George W. Bush. <snip>
http://www.cpod.ubc.ca/polls/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewItem&itemID=4092

Missouri Keeps Bush Ahead
(CPOD) Sept. 8, 2004 – George W. Bush could carry the state of Missouri in the 2004 United States presidential election, according to a poll by Rasmussen Reports. 48 per cent of respondents would vote for the Republican incumbent, while 42 per cent would support Democratic nominee John Kerry. <snip>
http://www.cpod.ubc.ca/polls/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewItem&itemID=4065

Wider Lead For Bush In Missouri
(CPOD) Aug. 31, 2004 – George W. Bush could carry the state of Missouri in the 2004 United States presidential election, according to a poll by Rasmussen Reports. 49 per cent of respondents would vote for the Republican incumbent, while 44 per cent would support Democratic nominee John Kerry. <snip>
http://www.cpod.ubc.ca/polls/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewItem&itemID=3969

Bush Could Take Missouri In 2004
(CPOD) Aug. 30, 2004 – George W. Bush holds the lead in the state of Missouri, according to a poll by the Los Angeles Times. 46 per cent of respondents would vote for the Republican incumbent in the 2004 United States presidential election, while 42 per cent would support Democratic nominee John Kerry. <snip>
http://www.cpod.ubc.ca/polls/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewItem&itemID=3943

Bush, Kerry Too Close In Missouri
CPOD) Aug. 20, 2004 – The state of Missouri has no clear frontrunner in the 2004 United States presidential race, according to a poll by Survey USA released by KDSK-TV. 48 per cent of respondents would vote for Republican incumbent George W. Bush in the election, while 47 per cent would support Democratic nominee John Kerry. <snip>
http://www.cpod.ubc.ca/polls/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewItem&itemID=3834

Lots of folk around here don't much like the Zogby Interactives. I think the other data says this: Swift Boat Liars drove Kerry down 5 pt in MO, but Bush only got about a miserable 2 pt convention bounce and the Convention didn't do any additional damage to Kerry.

But why would you argue about polls? Ask your relatives about this:

Bush's Guard papers leave service in doubt
Stephen Kurkjian, Francie Latour, Sacha Pfeiffer, Michael Rezendes and Walter V. Robinson.
The Boston Globe
Thursday, September 9, 2004

<snip> On July 30, 1973, shortly before he moved from Houston to Cambridge, Massachusetts, to attend Harvard, Bush signed a document that declared: "It is my responsibility to locate and be assigned to another Reserve forces unit or mobilization augmentation position. If I fail to do so, I am subject to involuntary order to active duty for up to 24 months." Under Guard regulations, Bush had 60 days to locate a new unit.

Bush never signed up with a Boston-area unit. In 1999, a Bush spokesman, Dan Bartlett, told The Washington Post that Bush had finished his six-year commitment at a Boston-area Air Force Reserve unit after he left Houston.

Not so, Bartlett now concedes. <snip>

http://www.iht.com/articles/537925.html

[sonicx]

23. is it true that incumbents who won the EC and lost the popular vote...

have never been reelected?

[lancdem]

25. A SurveyUSA poll has Bush up by 2

He is not leading by 14.

[Sparkle]

27. Don't feed the fucking trolls.........