The REAL October Surprise, North Korea will detonate an atomic bomb

[Walt Starr]

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/12/international/asia/12nuke.html?ex=1252641600&en=eee560fa911b4dcf&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland

And Chimpco will capitalize on the fear and win the election unless we get out in front of this issue, RIGHT THE FUCK NOW!!!!!

[Walt Starr]

1. Kick

Folks, this is for real. Read the NY Times article.

This will DEVESTATE Kerry unless he starts talking about the North Korea threat RIGHT NOW!

[Carla in Ca]

35. Here is what * thinks of N. Korea

and just about everyone else.


<http://atrios.blogspot.com/>

[liberalmuse]

2. I was in the military...

when Bush I fucked up the situation in N. Korea and made matters worse. Thank god Clinton came along and patched things up. Then Bush II came along and fucked things up again. I won't feel safe until Kerry is sworn in and the Bush cabal is under investigation by a dozen Democratic Senate committees and our new Attorney General, Joe Lieberman. Okay, sorry.

[Nordic]

30. I figured Iran would attack American troops in Iraq

or at least that would be staged, and then we'd have a whole new war to fight against the country Fox News refers to as "our enemy, Iran".

After all, Iran's a lot closer to our military than N.Korea.

on edit:

nice post, I liked your Lieberman joke, my post was meant to be at the bottom, not a response to yours. Sorry!

[LoZoccolo]

3. Too bad Bush* let them develop nuclear weapons.

They pretty much outsmarted us, knowing we'd be too preoccupied with Iraq to really do anything while they started doing all that. Even though I opposed the Iraq war, I'm actually pretty hawkish - I would agree with it if we sent just as many troops and invaded North Korea the day they started violating the non-proliferation stuff they agreed to.

[RevCheesehead]

4. ATTN: Senator Kerry!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Asian officials noted that there has been speculation in South Korea and Japan for some time that Mr. Kim might try to stage an incident - perhaps a missile test or the withdrawal of more raw nuclear fuel from a reactor - in an effort to display defiance before the election. "A test would be a vivid demonstration of their view of President Bush," one senior Asian diplomat said."


Holy shit. (and believe me, I don't say that lightly.)

[RevCheesehead]

5. And what about bush's REFUSAL to talk to NKorea?

How long ago was that?
People were saying that we need to get into serious discussions, but shrubby kept insisting it was an empty threat.

[gristy]

6. He's speaking coming up on c-span

Maybe he'll mention it?

[pa28]

7. This will not devastate Kerry

Kerry has already said North Korea was the greater threat and should have been dealt with before or at the same time as Iraq.

http://www.spacewar.com/2004/040530155931.ajrizeya.html

We were chasing shadows while North Korea developed weapons and began work on a submarine based missile capable of hitting the continental United States.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/dprk/missile.htm

This is just more of the same. Wrong choices on defense by * have put America at risk.

[ItsMyParty]

8. I don't think they would. They hate Bush and they are playing a game

right now with their nukes. They want aid. They want things from the US and they are getting nowhere with Bush. They would want Kerry hoping he would do some negotiating with them. I guess it would come down to what they know about American mentality---if they think such a thing would turn the Americans against Bush, then they would do it; if they think Americans would (and they would) rally around the Preseeeedent, they would not. Let's hope they have the intelligence to read the unintelligent American mind!!!!!!!!!!

[RevCheesehead]

10. Is Bush signaling a War on N Korea???

"Mr. Bush, while declaring he would not "tolerate" a nuclear North Korea, has insisted that his approach of involving China, Russia, Japan and South Korea in a new round of talks with the North is the only reasonable way to force the country to disarm. He has refused to set the kind of deadline for disarmament that he set for Saddam Hussein.

When asked in an interview with The New York Times two weeks ago to define what he meant by "tolerate," he said: "I don't think you give timelines to dictators and tyrants. I think it's important for us to continue to lead coalitions that are firm and strong, in sending messages to both the North Koreans and the Iranians."

[DoYouEverWonder]

9. Didn't W just pull troops out of South Korea

and send them to Iraq?

Seems everything W does, helps further al Qaeda's cause?

[Bush was AWOL]

11. What kind of guy is Kim?

I know very little about him and N. Korea. Is he a mad man? Does he actually have the balls to do this?

[AntiCoup2K4]

18. Well, actually he's....

A little spoiled insane insecure rich kid who ended up with his daddy's job.

Just like you know who.....

[mdmc]

21. lol

:kick:

[rndmprsn]

12. KERRY GET OUT IN FRONT OF THIS!

yes kerry does need to get out in front of this really fast...or bush will reap the scare points and i have no doubt that N.Korea will do this either, best to get out in front of this...make people aware etc.

[JerseygirlCT]

16. I agree. Bush has been basically ignoring this dangerous situation

in order to wage his war of choice in Iraq. I'd love to see Kerry get out front and start warning about the danger of No. Korea and the bad way the situation has been handled. So when something does happen, all he need say is "I told you so" and "these people can't keep you safe -- because they don't care"

[Professor_Moriarty]

13. This is what happens when ideology triumphs over logic. In the

mad rush to seize Saddam's oil, we have let loose another specter of nuclear war in East Asia.With N.Korea also possessing accurate missile technology that can reach our West Coast, we will be totally powerless to launch any preemptive strikes as in Iraq. With the midset of the North Korean dictator and what he sees as lesson from Saddam's fate, be prepared for N.Korea to apss its missile and bomb technologies to other ambitious nations around the world.I wouldn't even doubt that N.Korea and Pakistan will actively develop miniature nuclear weapons that can be carried in suitcases to be used by terrorists.

Kerry needs to stress these angles to say how Bush screwed up our security by going after a toothless dictator because of Cheney's greed for Iraq's oil.

[Bhaisahab]

47. As I posted elsewhere

Pakistan has already given NK nuke tech, if not actual nukes, in exchange for NODONG missiles which the Pakis have repainted and named "Ghauri."

[21winner]

14. The NYT?

No credibility there. If NK has usable weapons,they need not be tested. Pakistan our resolute ally has given NK the cookbook and tests are not required.
After the NYT coverage of the WMD's in Iraq I have to find this report to be B.S.

[Gin]

15. what about Russia? Putin made the point of repeating they have nuclear

weapons and now he's going after terrorists wherever he finds them.

[LisaL]

17. Bush and Putin are freinds, don't ya know?

[Carla in Ca]

37. I think we can take Russia and Mexico

out of the "friend of * " catagory

[maryallen]

34. Boy, were you wrong!

kick

[A_Possum]

19. Powell's take on this

On Korea, Powell attached minimal importance to recent disclosures that South Korea had engaged in a uranium enrichment experiment four years ago and a plutonium-based nuclear experiment two decades ago.

Plutonium and enriched uranium are two key ingredients of nuclear weapons.

"It's quite clear that these were not intended other than for academic, experimental purposes, and it's over with and I think that's, frankly, the end of the matter," Powell said.

"I don't see any great significance to them, but the North Koreans always like to seize on anything to make their point."


http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040912/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/powell_interview_13

Nothing to see here, move along!

[HopeIsNowHere]

20. This can only help Kerry

Kerry will bring the rest of the world with us to deal with NK.

[mdmc]

23. welcome to DU, Hope..

:kick:

[greatauntoftriplets]

24. The Arabs?

n/t

[rndmprsn]

25. yes...thats why we want him to get out in front

[Guaranteed]

22. This is Kerry's chance to show America what real leadership is.

Get a PLAN, and start ordering Bush around.

[AlCzervik]

26. Walt do you have a crystal ball?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x820082

[librechik]

27. yeah, Walt who's your source inside Kim Il Jong's circle?

:scared:

[WI_DEM]

28. If this happens Bush will again have been asleep at the wheel

like 9/11 this has happened during his watch. People have warned that N. Korea was more dangerous than Iraq but he had to finish his personal vendetta first. I don't see such a thing happening as a plus for W.

[CityDem]

40. More bullshit on the way

Bush* will blame this on Clinton, Carter, Albright, et al. Once again, he will skate like he has his entire life. And the media will give him a pass.

[Walt Starr]

41. Not if Kerry really starts slamming Bush over his failure with NK

Then, when the test is announced, Bush will lose credibility on National Security, Leadership, and the war on terror.

[hexola]

49. Bush will be vindicated...maybe

People have warned...

Unfortunately - one of those people was George Bush...remember the "Axis of Evil" that everybody got so up in arms about...? Bush was widely criticised for this comment...

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

29. looks they already have....

....based on Late Breaking News thread.....

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[Kukesa]

48. Kick! n/t

[tandot]

32. Bush ignored a country who was a definite thread to us to invade a country

who wasn't...

And as the latest breaking news suggest, they already had a little "mishap" over there in North Korea.

Kerry can use this to show how incompetent Bush is and that he did NOT make us safer

[Walt Starr]

33. Go away for a few hours and apparently the world goes to hell

:scared:

Kerry REALLY needs to get out in front of this issue and pull down Bush's leadership numbers by pointing to his failures with North Korea, then when Lil Kim DOES a nuclear test, Bush looks the fool he really is rather than becoming the nearest thing to a leader the nation turns to in a time of crisis (/11 effect anybody?)

[sonicx]

36. Kerry needs to hammer bush on this, tommorrow...nt

[mr_du04]

38. more proof

that shrub is the one who is unfit for command. President Clinton dealt with North Korea brilliantly then chimpy comes along and fucks it all up. To borrow a line from married with childern,thank your resident kids. Thanks shrub. :)

[EndElectoral]

39. Appears they already have!

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040912/ap_on_re_as/nkorea_explosion&cid=516&ncid=716

[Karenina]

42. Ka-BOOM!!!

:nuke:

[JerseygirlCT]

43. Honest, if naive, question:

Does someone from the campaign check in here? Will they get this message?

[Walt Starr]

44. We know some Democratic operatives have lurked here in the past

:shrug:

We'll see.

[Walt Starr]

45. Kick, because Kerry got out in front of the issue

:kick:

[hexola]

46. Oh jesus Walt !!!

Do you have any evidence to support this assertion? Or will this be your typical "believe it, then prove it" line of crap.

You are using fear just like Bush and Cheney...

Why would this help Bush anyway...? You can't be sure it would...

I think you make us all look foolish...