Why can't some people here take criticisms of Kerry?

[scaredamurikan]

Why is any criticism of any Democrat off limits and wrong?

[Maddy McCall]

1. Uh, in case you didn't notice, this IS Democratic Underground...

People can take criticism, but smears are beyond the limit of tolerance.

[scaredamurikan]

3. What defines a smear?

n/t

[alittlelark]

10. A smear is out and out lies, disguised, no matter how

flimsily as 'truth'.

Disruptors are defined by their words.


Have fun here, try to learn something: before you move on hi:

[phish420]

11. what defines not taking criticism?

Again, without examples, this thread is absolutely pointless.

[Maddy McCall]

21. Well, this would be an example: "Fuck You."

Dipshit

[scaredamurikan]

27. Okay

n/t

[LincolnMcGrath]

Opinions are fine

spin, fRight wing talking points, etc, will and should be red assed.

[UpsideDownFlag]

2. criticism if acceptable, but the problem arises when it becomes disruptive

and what not. he is, after all, the nominee.

[seabeyond]

4. cause it feeds it. already get it from repugs and media

brings people down. people dont go out and vote. bush wins. four more years of hell

[mairceridwen]

45. you don't think very highly of the people here...

do you?

I mean, I'd like to think that people capable of participating in constructive criticism are better than that.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

5. DEMOCRATIC Underground is the name of the site

if you want to bitch about Democrats, there are plenty of RW boards that would gladly accept your membership.

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[Renew Deal]

16. You can go off that cliff without Kerry.

I am not suggesting that of course ;)

[kentuck]

18. Some of can criticize and some of us cannot...

Mind if I tell you which cannot? Those that walk in the door with mud on their shoes, and start bad-mouthing our candidate. They are not permited to criticize. I hope you see the difference?

[dennis4868]

52. I have been a member....

of DU since the beginning and there was oen time I bashed Kerry for something he did and I goy bashed by many posters and there was alot of name calling....no excuse for that...pople should be able to give their opinions even if it is not what some want to hear....


well that is my 2 cents on this matter....anyway, lets get back to work and put Kerry in the WH and get Bush out!

[kentuck]

57. We all have been criticized for one thing or another...

But did you just walk in the door and start badmouthing our Party or our candidate? I doubt it....I think you tried to make a positive contribution. Am I wrong?

[Kathy in Cambridge]

30. It has nothing to do with supporting Kerry

it has to do with the fact that this is a DEMOCRATIC message board.

And you're making assumptions about people you don't know. And with such a low post count...

[scaredamurikan]

32. Yeah and you can't say anything bad about Democrats

n/t

[Kathy in Cambridge]

35. Huh? Have you read ANY of my posts?

You are just looking for a fight obviously-I guess you want to go out in flames. It's really quite sad. I have plenty of bad things to say about wimpy Democrats. I voted for Nader in 2000 and vote Green locally. I am a member of my local Progressive Democratic organization. Who the FUCK are YOU to come and start flaming lifelong progressives?

[scaredamurikan]

36. I'm not

and don't use the F-word. It's not classy.

Peace

[Renew Deal]

41. Fuck that

Our vice president says it, so can we.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

42. Buh-bye!

:hi:

[Kathy in Cambridge]

43. Dupe

[Kipepeo]

38. So do you have any other agenda here

I mean, *other* than fighting for your right to say bad things about Kerry and Democrats?

Is there nothing else you want to talk about?

Hmm..

[scaredamurikan]

44. What are you assuming?

n/t

[JI7]

50. you talk like Democrats are a separate group from you

[UpsideDownFlag]

60. just take that negative energy, and aim it towards the pubbies.

[Lefty48197]

58. I get the feeling you've already followed someone off a cliff.

.

[A_Possum]

6. It's not

however, when people create threads with very negative titles, then people want to disagree, and the whole top of the forum ends up being dominated by threads that say things like, Kerry is a loser, We're finished, Kerry should never have...blah blah blah.

Once you've been here for awhile you'll see how really old this kind of thing gets.

So, if you want to critique, put a neutral title on your thread, so you don't create this dynamic.

Welcome to DU.

[phish420]

8. Can you be more specific??

I mean, how can we respond to that if we have no idea what you are talking about. Give some examples, and maybe we can explain our position to you a little more clearly. I personally feel that is not true of liberals (After all, the term liberal is defined as:

"Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded."

Conservatives, however is defined, and usually very well expressed as:

"Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.
Traditional or restrained in style"

So who is more likey to take criticism more badly?

[phish420]

17. Hello? Examples? Please?

Or have you gone back to your cave, realizing your ignorance?

[phish420]

29. Still waiting, Troll

[phish420]

31. Yeah, thats what I thought...Ignorant Troll

[swag]

9. One answer might be that, to varying degrees, some people think

that at this point in the campaign cycle, corrosive criticism is detrimental to the cause.

Nevertheless, both corrosive and constructive criticism flow quite freely.

Were you locked or deleted?

[scaredamurikan]

14. No

I just got savaged for saying Kerry would be no different than Bush on the Iraq Oil War.

[Renew Deal]

19. Probably because you're wrong.

[phish420]

22. And how do you suppose that?

You were probably attacked for making a bland statement with no basis of fact. If you can not give specific examples as to why you think that, you are wasting everyone's time. Your opinion is fine, and you are entitled to it, but if you want to persuade others, you have to have some sort of substance other than "Blah" which is what I see when I read a statement like that. You might as well just say "Blah". It would have the same effect on me.

[Renew Deal]

12. Actually it's not off limits.

Just look around. My guess is that you aren't a democrat. Do you know a guy named wanderingbear?

[Kathy in Cambridge]

47. Ohhh-good observation

familiar theme and syntax. Dead giveaway.

[iwantmycountryback]

13. It's not criticism if it's wrong

And you're just recylcing reich wing talking points.

[Kipepeo]

15. Because that is all we get from the mainstream media

Valid discussion points are fine, and disagreement is fine, and constructive criticism is fine. :) But I agree with those who are tired of seeing duplicate meaningless doom and gloom posts with no content all over the top of the screen here. It's like Karl Rove threw up all over DU. It's beyond boring.

[AmerDem]

20. DON'T FEED THIS TROLL

he had over 200 plus posts in his last hit piece on Kerry. He had accumulated about 75 posts in that thread alone. Leave this poster die a slow quiet death!


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=794372&mesg_id=794372&page=

[scaredamurikan]

23. I've got no quarrel with you

If you don't like my posts just ignore me.

I'll do the same to you.

Peace

[Renew Deal]

25. Holy shit, It's Mohammed Ali.

"I ain't got no quarrel with the Viet Cong"

[Leilani]

33. The difference here at DU is that we CAN express

different ideas & opinions...unlike other political forums where you have to drink the kool-aid or leave.

But remember, if you are here to cause trouble, then take a hike.

[scaredamurikan]

34. I'm not

But some other posters think so or at least are hellbent on thinking so.

[Renew Deal]

37. You're just here to stir shit up.

I knew it as soon as I saw your post before. You remind me a lot of a guy named wanderingbear.

[scaredamurikan]

40. Whatever

You like to stir stuff up too it seems.

[Renew Deal]

49. You got me on that one.

But I am kidding around and I have some street cred here.

[scaredamurikan]

53. I liked your spoof post of mine

At first I thought you were serious.

[phish420]

24. naw, fuck that

Expose these freaks...he is making baseless useless statements that I love debunking. As their fuhrer says, "Bring Em On". Im not cowering from these assholes.

[phish420]

28. people need to know

People need these trolls, since they are saying exactly what the trolls in the real world are saying. By them spewing their hate here, we gather responses to use against them. Bring the bastards on and let them fall by their own words.

[Pirate Smile]

26. My Mom and I are both Dem's but right now she keeps pissing me

off because all she does is bitch about Kerry. I tell her to bitch about * and the Media for not doing its job.

Some criticism is valid, of course, but it seems like we forget who to focus on sometimes and don't give each other a break.

During the lead up to the Iraq War, my Mom and I were bitching about the Dem's not standing up to * and fighting so much that my daughter got the idea that the Democrats were the bad guys.

We hold the Democrats to a higher standard but sometimes when we do that we accept the sh#$ the media and Rethugs do as just the way they are. They always benefit from low expectations.

[Kahuna]

39. Because it's counterproductive to tear our candidate down in..

a public forum.

[scaredamurikan]

46. How so?

If he is wrong, we should say so.

[redstateblues]

48. I spent several hours with this troll- don't feed- he's stupid

[scaredamurikan]

51. Nice name calling.

N/t

[redstateblues]

55. I shot you full of holes on your last stupid thread- go away

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[redstateblues]

61. You're spreading lies

[mairceridwen]

54. criticism is bad

dissent is bad

This is America after all...where have you been the last 4 years?

[LoZoccolo]

59. Because they're so often stupid and useless...

...and thus a waste of our time, us being people who are trying to get Kerry elected.

[HEyHEY]

62. All you dumb son's of bitches can go to hell!

Sorry, I was just trying to get into the spirit of the thread. :-)

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