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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 01:54 AM
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Swing voters are idiots!
CBS interviewed a soccer mom from ALLENTOWN, PA (huge terrorist target, NOT!).

She said that (paraphrasing here) "I know the economy is in poor shape, and there's a big budget deficit. But, I'm voting for Bush--no doubt about it. Because he's better on the military and defense and things like that."


Arrgghhhh! Stupid goddamn sheeple! These fucking morons deserve Bush as their president. Too bad they have to drag us down with them.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 01:55 AM
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1. She is NOT a swing voter
a swing voter is an idiot who can't make up their mind
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PittLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 02:01 AM
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3. I'm beginning to think that they are mythical ...
or at least the political equivalents of men in Santa suits. Fakes, I tell you, FAKES! No, seriously ... If you haven't made up your mind at this point, crawl back under your rock. It's not like this election is based on nuance.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 02:02 AM
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5. She was on the fence before Beslan.
That's why I considered her a swing voter. She's the exact demographic--stupid, uninformed, and suburban, that is threatening to give this election to aWol.
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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 01:57 AM
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2. I agree. What exactly IS a "swing voter"?
What party are these people usually affiliated with? It's MADNESS.

It's driving me insane too. :grr:
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 02:01 AM
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4. So a deserter is better on the military and defense than...
A veteran ?
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 02:31 AM
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7. Fantasy is preferable to reality for folks who think that, imho. (nt)
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 02:28 AM
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6. I wonder how old this woman's children are?
If any are close to draft age I would ask her if she is prepared for her son or daughter to go to Iraq? and if not, how can she support a war and a president who sends other peoples children to Iraq but wouldn't want her own to go?
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 03:05 AM
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11. I saw her on the tube. . .
her babe was still in swaddling clothes.

That said, anyone who remained "undecided" in the US Presidential race to this point, then made their decision based on events in Russia, obviously has no established beliefs of their own and may yet change her opinion again before November 2. We just have to keep our wits, try to influence when we can.
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DieboldMustDie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 02:36 AM
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8. He did such a great job defending us on 9/11...
gotta give him that one. :crazy:
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DrRock Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 02:50 AM
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9. ^
I just spoke to someone today, a youg girl, about 20. Very nice girl, but when she saw that I was supporting Kerry, she half-jokingly gave me the thumbs-down along with a raspberry. Everyone in the room asked, "You're not voting for Bush are you?" And she said that she was and when asked why, she replied, "I just like him better". I tried to ask her why she thought he ws better, but she couldn't give me any reason, other than that she thought he seemed nicer. She then proceeded to say "I hate politics". Okay, well it's a good thing you're voting then, since you have absolutely no idea what's going on, and you think this is some high school popularity contest. I have a month and a half to help her see the light.
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Satchel Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 04:13 AM
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15. Unfortunately many people are like that
Sadly misinformed or not informed at all.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 03:02 AM
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10. What a stupid...
<insert appropriate expletive here< I don't want the DU identity police swooping down on me.
Oh hell, sometimes a stupid bitch is a stupid bitch is a stupid bitch!
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 03:11 AM
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12. Actually, there are swing voters who are very well informed..
they vote for the person & not the party.

And let us hope there are moderate voters who sometimes vote Repub, who will swing Dem this time, because they realize Bush is dangerous.

Undecideds are something else...especially in this election.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 03:16 AM
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13. I hang with Republicans for Kerry
And their motto is "Country before Party."

Take heart, there are informed folk out there. And those Republicans realize that Bush doesn't represent their moderate, or even true conservative, interests.

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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 04:08 AM
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14. Right you are!
Barry Goldwater is spinning in his grave...smaller govt, fiscal discipline, freedom in our personal lives, never tie up our military in a quagmire, allow gays to serve, pro-choice, pro envirnonment,
keep religion out of politics, etc.

Just the Patriot Act alone, could cause Barry to come back & haunt us all.

Are you a Wes Clark fan, LittleClarkie?

I supported Wes, & still miss him.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 06:30 PM
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17. Yep
Wes was my "starter" candidate. It took me an ungodly amount of time to wander into the Kerry camp. But seeing as that was what Clark was advocating, I dully put up a sign in the window and slowly started finding out about the guy I'd been told had "the personality of styrofoam."

Now I'm a full-fledged Kerryite. I honestly think with his varied background he's gonna be a great president, or at least as great as anyone can be when they have to clean up the mess of the current administration.

Not to fear for old Wes. He's a Kerry adviser now, and I do think he'll end up with some post in a Kerry admin. I hope so. I miss him too. Although he was a Johnny One Note, I appreciated that he was the one saying what I was thinking about the Iraq war (no blank check, Mr. President).
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 05:06 AM
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16. Swing Voters Are the Ones Who Believe Everything They Are Told
They will swing to Kerry for a few minutes after they see one of his
ads, and some did after seeing him at the convention, and most have
swung back by now with all the pro-Boosh coverage on most of the TV
networks. We cannot reach most of these voters.

Forget the historical figures that show swing voters breaking for
the challenger. It isn't happening, and it isn't going to happen.
No challenger in over 200 years of US history has ever had to deal
with such a hostile media.

I once thought we might be able to get as many as half of them,
this no longer seems likely, given the Repub control of the media.

Most swing voters are just looking for an excuse to vote for Boosh
and they are sure to find one.

We need more "unlikely" voters.
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ssimmons Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 06:44 PM
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20. How many will swing to the side calling them idiots?
n/t
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 06:52 PM
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21. Well, the Republican strategy is to treat voters like they're idiots.
Given the results of the Rethug convention, I can't say it's an ineffective strategy.

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cosmicvortex20 Donating Member (253 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 07:16 PM
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23. Ive brought this very thing up here many times....
most people around here are not interested in trying to appear unbias... They incorrectly think that by appearing to be raving frothing partisians, that this will encourage people to vote their way.

To those outside their hermetically sealed world, they appear quite crazy. It goes just as well for the right. These swing voters can get turned off quick with partisian antics.
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ssimmons Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 07:34 PM
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24. Thankfully the mainstream press spiked the Theresa "idiots" remark
I never even heard it commented about on the news.
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rookwood Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 06:40 PM
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18. .
even though we might be astonished that a swing voter could still be undecided... an undecided voter is an opportunity. at least an undecided voter is (theoretically) willing to listen to pro-kerry arguements.

cheers :)
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ssimmons Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 06:43 PM
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19. So we don't need the swing voters?
I sure hope not.
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WiseMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 06:52 PM
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22. Even Swing voters listen to Smears and watch snipets of Conventions.
Edited on Sun Sep-12-04 06:53 PM by WiseMen
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