MUST READ: Following the Killian Memos Money Trail

[indyjones1938]

Where there's smoke, there's fire. In cases like the Killian memos controversy, where you have a few vocal folks claiming that the memos are "fake" despite a preponderance of unimpeachable evidence that suggests otherwise, it's always fun to follow the money trail and see if these people (and their associates) are really as "unbiased" as they claim. So, with the help of www.opensecrets.org, www.intelius.com and www.ussearch.com, I did a little bit of digging on these colorful characters, and the results are interesting. Assumed close relatives are included.

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Col Maurice Udell, TxANG (Ret.)

"I completely am disgusted with this (report) I saw on '60 Minutes,'" Udell said. "That's not true. I was there. I knew Jerry Killian. I went to Vietnam with Jerry Killian in 1968."

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/politics/federal/20040910-1608-bushguard-questions.html

Contributions:

UDELL, M H
FRIENDSWOOD,TX 77546
RETIRED
6/5/2000
$500
National Republican Congressional Cmte

UDELL, MAURICE H
FRIENDSWOOD,TX 77546
RETIRED
10/25/1996
$250
National Republican Congressional Cmte
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Gary Killian, son of Col. Jerry Killian

"It just wouldn't happen. The only thing that can happen when you keep secret files like that are bad things . . . No officer in his right mind would write a memo like that," said Gary Killian.

http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/28331.htm

Contributions:

KILLIAN, GARY
OVALO,TX 79541
INVESTOR
10/11/1994
$500
Boone, Phil (Republican candidate for Congress, TX-17th Dist.)

KILLIAN, GARY M MR
RYE,NY 10580
LEHMAN BROTHERS/FIXED INCOME TRADIN
6/19/2003
$2,000
Bush, George W
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Maj. Gen. Bobby Hodges (Ret.), Arlington, TX

"Gen. Bobby W. Hodges told ABC News that he regards the documents as a computer "fraud," never saw them in the 1970s and didn't validate them for CBS."

http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/28387.htm

Contributions:

HODGES, EDWIN C MR
(Likely brother of Bobby, per www.ussearch.com]
ARLINGTON,TX 76011
6/22/2001
$300
National Republican Congressional Cmte

But the real gem is this:

"John Kerry will destroy this country with his socialist views...John Kerry is as much a threat to the United States as Usama Bin Laden. He would sell his mothers gold for the power, and he has already communicated to Iran, France, Belgium and Germany that he will join hands with these cowards and walk away from this war on terror.

A vote for John Kerry is a vote for socialism and for the "French Candidate"

Edwin C. Hodges
Arlington Texas
Maj. US Army Retired

http://www.powmiafamiliesagainstjohnkerry.com/supporters/support.htm
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Amy Barnes Stites, daughter of Ben Barnes

"On Thursday, Mr. Barnes' daughter, Amy Barnes Stites, called WBAP, a Texas news talk radio station, to say her father had told her a different story in 2000. 'I love my father very much, but he's doing this for purely political reasons,' Mrs. Stites said. 'He is a big Kerry fund-raiser and he is writing a book also.'"

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20040910-104821-5968r.htm

Contributions:

STITES, KELYE B MR
(Likely brother-in-law of Amy Stites, per www.intelius.com)
RICHLAND HILLS,TX 76118
CHAMPION SHUFFLEBOARD/OWNER
6/15/2004
$5,000
National Republican Congressional Cmte

STITES, KELYE B MR
RICHLAND HILLS,TX 76118
CHAMPION SHUFFLEBOARD LTD./OWNER
3/25/2004
$500
National Republican Congressional Cmte
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[Fabio]

1. Have you forwarded this to the Kerry CAMP?

or news outlets?

[indyjones1938]

3. No

The Kerry-Edwards campaign has nothing to do with the memos, one way or the other. And the corporate media outlets are hopeless. They're still drinking the Kool Aid, pitchers at a time.

Plus, there needs to be far more exhaustive and detailed research and confirmation done on this subject. The dots need to be connected and retraced, one at a time.

I'd be interested to find out more about Marjorie Connell, Killian's widow. She's obviously a Republican, and chastises us for criticizing "our president," but some of the things she's said just don't make sense when you consider them contextually.

"Killian's widow, Marjorie Connell, described the records as "a farce," saying she was with her husband until the day he died in 1984 and he did not 'keep files.' She said her husband considered Bush 'an excellent pilot.'"

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5963843/

But then consider this:

"Gary Killian said his father wasn't in the habit of bringing his work home with him, and that the documents didn't come from the family.

http://news.bostonherald.com/election/view.bg?articleid=43678

If Killian liked to keep work and home separate, it doesn't make sense that he would discuss the merits (or lack thereof) of one of his many pilots with his wife. By the same token, since at least two of the Killian memos were "official" TxANG documents, and Killian "didn't bring his work home with him," Marjorie Connell has no authority to decide whether or not they're a "farce."


Another intriguing character is Rufus Martin, who, like the now-debunked Maurice Udell, insists that Killian wouldn't have written those memos.

"The personnel chief in Killian's unit at the time also said he believes the documents are fake. 'They looked to me like forgeries,' Rufus Martin said. 'I don't think Killian would do that, and I knew him for 17 years.'"

http://news.bostonherald.com/election/view.bg?articleid=43678

But Robert Strong, another member of Killian's staff, says differently:

"Robert Strong was an administrative officer for the Texas Air National Guard during the Vietnam years. He knew Jerry Killian, the man credited with writing the documents. And paper work, like these documents, was Strong's specialty. He is standing by his judgment that the documents are real.

'They are compatible with the way business was done at that time,' Strong said. 'They are compatible with the man I remember Jerry Killian being. I don't see anything in the documents that's discordant with what were the times, the situation or the people involved.'"

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/11/politics/main642787.shtml

I guess it comes down to credibility. And something tells me that Udell, Connell and Martin would all be singing a different tune if they were testifying about this under oath!

[girl gone mad]

2. Don't forget about..

forensic document "expert", Sandra Ramsey Lines.

http://www.publicintegrity.org/527/docs/9558307.pdf

http://www.thewishlist.org

[indyjones1938]

4. "Experts"

Someone needs to draw up a list of the so-called "experts" being trumped around on CNN, ABC, FOX and NBC.

Then, people here can get to work vetting them. Ramsey-Lines has been debunked. Bouffard has now admitted that the memos are likely authentic, and I believe Flynn has as well.

:kick:

[girl gone mad]

7. I'm working on it.

At the very least, these morans should forever be barred from giving expert testimony in a court of law.

And I'm not talking about Bouffard, who, like any good scientist, changed his mind when presented with better evidence.

[indyjones1938]

5. kick

:kick:

[Killarney]

6. Great post. You should send this to

Olbermann at MSNBC and the Boston Globe (preferably the writers that did the investigative report two days ago).

[bklyncowgirl]

8. Good research send it to Dan Rather n/t

[City Lights]

10. Yes, CBS/Rather needs to see this, but call them and then email.

I spoke to them about sandy ramsey lines and her interesting donations on Friday. I was instructed by CBS to send an email with links for verification. So my email wouldn't get lost in the shuffle, the woman I spoke to gave me clear instructions for what to put in the subject line. You really need to call CBS with this.

[Bush was AWOL]

9. Good stuff

and every and any bit of information that debunks the forgeries shold be sent to Rather and the Boston Globe.

[emulatorloo]

11. Excellent Work

It is too bad the "reporters" on Fox CNN ABC don't have an internet connection like you do. . .

Seriously thanks for posting and be sure to get it to Rather and CBS.