General Clark on CBS "no wonder he looked like a deer caught in the headl

[Nashyra]

I woke up to the voice of General Clark hammering *. He was saying that they had been in charge for the last nine months and that they had not paid any attention to terrorism, he mentions that Cheney had not done anything with "anti terrorism" so it was no wonder that the idiot looked like a deer caught in the headlights on 9-11 because he knew he had been caught, he knew that he and Cheney had done nothing to protect the country. He went on with a good explanation of Kerry's vote for the president to do the responsible thing at the UN not start the wrong war. He hammered them and then closed with every American should know this about the administration.

[efhmc]

1. What a great spokesman. I wish we had more and more of this.

[MoonRiver]

2. We need to see much, much more of Clark.

He is the most convincing and powerful surrogate Kerry has!

I'll always :loveya: Wes!

[ChoralScholar]

40. Wonder if we'll get to see him as Secretary of Defense

or Secretary of State?

[West Coast Democrat]

48. He can't be Sec. of Defense

[Kahuna]

51. Are you sure?

:evilgrin:

[Bolo Boffin]

58. Yes, Secretary of Defense has to have been out of military...

at least ten years.

The way Clark's up front makes me think State Department.

[Kahuna]

64. I know. I was kidding.

:D

[Lefta Dissenter]

3. I can't believe I missed that!

It sounds like he was, as usual, awesome!!!

[Leilani]

4. Wow, that sounds terrific!

Happy to hear that someone is fighting back..

What show on CBS? Face the Nation?

Love Wes!

[opihimoimoi]

22. Dats about time its coming out...that Bush Cheney did nothing to

prevent attacks for 8 months.....

[mazzarro]

5. This is the type of talk I crave for. I fervently wish that our ticket

will get out from the influence of the DLC and do what the democratic party's rank-and-file is hungrily expecting them to do - hammer the bastard-in-chief.

[Pepperbelly]

8. if you had been around here during the primaries ... you would know that .

1. Wesley is a war criminal.

2. Wesley is a gop plant.

3. Wesley is DLC.

4. Wesley is not a Democrat.

5. Wesley is a stalking horse for Hillary.

Oh yes, the fellow that is the most vocal in carrying the fight right to the Bush bastards was all of those things. Some folk at this site trashed him at 90 mph all during the primaries. And a lot of them still post here. They were as wrong in their assessment as they could possibly be but I heard none of them either acknowledge either how wrong they were nor have they apologized for slandering a very good man.

[Kahuna]

11. When they get around to apologizing for Clark, they should acknowledge..

their slander of Bob Graham too. I still believe, Graham and Clark were the best candidates of the pack.

[Pepperbelly]

15. I fear we'll still be waiting for that apology on the eve of the 2008 race

Which is why I still bear a grudge. It was as vicious a slandering as I have ever seen, as vicious as anything the Freepers were saying about Clark. Hell, it MIRRORED what the Freeps said.

Our side is not always as virtuous, open-minded and tolerant as we like to believe. The people who opposed Wesley so vociferously were as dishonest in their removal of context, presentation of "facts", and name-calling as anyone on the other side. Their antics made me question my involvement in the political process with them as "allies".

[kodi]

45. PB, those folks are not our allies, they are simply fellow travelers

who would throw us out with the bath water as soon as it suits them.

whatever gave these ideological simpletons the idea that they have some sort of God on their side is beyond me.

[JI7]

21. what were the attacks against Bob Graham ?

i remember the ones against clark. and in fact they continued even AFTER he dropped out of the race. but i can't remember the attacks on graham.

[Kahuna]

24. Bob Graham was a war mongerer who only voted against..

the IWR because it wasn't strong enough (as respects Iraq).

[burythehatchet]

87. Agree. But Graham's health was an issue too.

[Leilani]

14. You forgot the School of the Americas!

Wes was training killers for our govt. LOL!!!

Oh, I miss the primary wars!

And in my opinion, he was & is still the best!

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

47. Hey I LIKE Clark and would have been happy to see him on the ticket

but I am still vehemently against the SOA and am uncomfortable with his support and defense of that institution...try to keep the broad brush in check please.

[Leilani]

62. Many of the anti Clark, anti SOA posters

accused Wes of being a war criminal.

THEY used a broad brush, not me.

[HootieMcBoob]

89. Proud to say that I was a Clarkie

I supported Kerry before Clark entered the race but felt that of all the candidates Clark was the strongest and most likely to win big in the Presidential election. I'm 100% behind Kerry now but I love what Clark has to say and the way he says it. He's something else. We need many more like him.

:toast: to General Wes Clark!

*still got my bumper sticker sitting right here :)

[Crunchy Frog]

37. He's STILL getting trashed on here.

Apparently he was nothing but a conspiracy by Clinton and the DNC to take out Dean, as well as to keep Edwards from competing effectively against Kerry in the South.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2332098#top

Must continue beating him up.

[Kahuna]

52. Funny. Funny. Funny. The campaign IS focused on national security..

like we Clarkies predicted it would be. I'll just leave it at that. :eyes:

[Leilani]

67. Wow, I missed that thread...

I had no idea the anti-Clark venom was alive & well.

And I thought we were 1 big happy family!

[tishaLA]

72. Happily I had missed it too

but it's always good to be thought of as an astro-turfer, I suppose. I'm sure no other campaigns had those.

[Sputnik]

44. Preach it, Pepperbelly!

I didn't post on DU then, but I do remember many Democrats questioning Clark's political stripes and/or his motivations for being in the presidential race. I sent a letter to Jeanne Shaheen during the primary asking her to back the hell off of making such remarks about Clark since she would certainly be wanting the support of Clark backers if Kerry won the nomination (and that was before Kerry won Iowa!)

Wes Clark has proven his loyalty, not just to Democrats but to our country. Shame on anyone who ever denigrated him. Unlike Bush, they should be willing to admit they were wrong.

Clark is the man who told Karl Rove to "bring it on." Clark is the man who said "I'll beat the shit out of them" when someone asked at a campaign rally what he'd do if anyone questioned his service to our country.

America needs Wes Clark. Kerry better already have promised the General a position where he can help clean up the mess that Bush and his thugs have created.

[juajen]

57. Hi, Pepperbelly!

It was hard to take. He is simply THE BEST!! Caught his speech on cspan to Johns Hopkins. He was so good. I don't know what's in the future for Wes Clark, but if his enormous talents aren't used, I will be horribly disappointed in a Kerry administration.

[Prodemsouth]

6. This is what Edwards should be saying - where the hell is he! The Vp

is supposed to be an effective attack dog. Someone from Kerrys campaign needs to say these things. I supported Clark in the primary it is a shame he was not warming up in the bull pin much earlier. He sounds so damn good today.

[spooky3]

18. He has been all over the country campaigning but the "librul media"

doesn't seem to want you to know about it. He's drawing huge crowds and raised a lot of $ at fundraising events such as one last Thurs in DC. Check out the multiple DU threads or google him to see local coverage.

I think on matters related to the military Kerry is very smart to ask Gen. Clark to speak out.

[Crunchy Frog]

35. But I thought that the media

loved Edwards and was only ignoring Clark because he was such a lousy campaigner. It's only consiracy theorists who think that the media deliberately ignores candidates.

[Leilani]

61. What goes around

comes around! LOL!

[incapsulated]

75. lol

Hey, that frog can bite! ;)

[sundancekid]

7. which program on CBS??

[dennis4868]

9. MORE OF CLARK......

and alot less of DD Myers!

[Kahuna]

10. I couldn't believe he said that. But I'm sure glad that he did.

U WES A! :bounce:

[Nashyra]

12. He was on the Today show "Sunday"

with Campbell Brown, right after that came Diane Fienstien. I am on the west coast and it was on at about 7:10am

[Kahuna]

19. I know. I taped it. I got a headsup from the earlier viewers.

nt

[roseBudd]

13. We can use these facts to create grass roots print ads

Go here:
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to download the 300 DPI TIF file for printing and distributing.

[Nashyra]

16. Sorry it must have been NBC if it was "Today"

That's ok though just one more network going after him. Sorry if anyone was misdirected.

[yardwork]

42. Thank you!

I have downloaded and printed. Thank you for posting the link!

[tabasco]

17. Gee, what a coincidence he is on CBS.

I'm thinking the other whore networks are afraid to invite him. If they do, they will give him two minutes and edit out the good stuff.

GO GET 'EM, GENERAL !

We can do it! We can beat these anti-American bastards!

LEAD THE WAY GENERAL ! This soldier is right behind you!

ON A MISSION TO SAVE AMERICA FROM THE NEOCON/CORPORATE CABAL.

:yourock:

[Catfight]

20. They should have both been removed from office on those grounds.

I do not know why America stands for an administration that had knowledge of a DPB "Osma Bin Laden Determined to Attack within the United States," and didn't do anything to protect citizens. This is their job, not increasing profits for Halliburton. It just mind boggles me that Americans cannot see this blatant malfeasance.

[Claire Beth]

23. I love Wes Clark...

I listened to his speech yesterday (recorded from Thursday) evening on Cspan from Johns Hopkins University. In the Q&A session, he was extremely effective on how Dumbya's policies have HURT the U.S. in the war on terrorism. He is indeed an asset to the Kerry campaign as well as all Americans who WANT to know the truth.

[Leilani]

25. I watched his speech 3 times!!

It was just so brilliant! And he was funny; the students really enjoyed him.

I also enjoyed his answers to the questions of why the Dems are weak compared to Repubs. And why the Repubs take the patriotism card away from Dems.

[robbedvoter]

26. Glad my man keeps his eyes on the ball hitting the target

rather than publishing tell all books about fellow democrats. Might not get all DU nuts, but may help get bush out.

[bushwakker]

27. those who were pushing Clark as Veep were right

i like je alot but this election is all about iraq/terrorism/nat security and clark would have been the best choice. by the way i wanted edwards so i was off base on this.

[in_cog_ni_to]

28. Hindsight is 20/20, eh?

We knew he was the best for VP. I still think he was the IDEAL presidential candidate for 2004. He covered every issue...BRILLIANTLY. Domestic policies AND no one compares to him on foreign policy. No one.

[bushwakker]

30. he really hits hard at bush

i hope clark stays active in politics.

[Kahuna]

29. The media pushed for Edwards, Period. They set us up...

Polls were showing that Kerry was closing the national security gap. So, the Democrats didn't believe that a national security VP would be of any service. Wrong again.

[Mz Pip]

31. Everytime I see an

interview or speech of Clark's I almost moan in dispair of the missed opportunity the country had.

His talk at Johns Hopkins was incredible. He doesn't talk in soundbites or in generalities. He gives a clear and indepth analysis of foreign policy.

How could anyone really believe that National security and foreign policy would not be issues in this campaign? :crazy:

:hi: Kahuna!


MzPip
:dem:

[Kahuna]

32. I blame Tom Vilsack for this!!!!!

:hi: MzPip :D

[robbedvoter]

33. The media, Rove, Nader, the Senate, PNAC, the PR firm, Dean, Gore

It's done, live with it. I repeat the assesment made by Lieberman's critics: "spectacular choice in July, underwelming by october" (they did say it in August, too)

[Clinton Crusader]

34. Clark was my first choice for Prez....

then I fell in line behind Kerry.

I heard Clark's wife was absolutely dead set against the VP spot. Dont know if it carries any water, but that's what I heard. He would have been brilliant, although I DO like JE. He comes off as if he's a choir boy with the babyface and big smile, but something tells me I wouldnt want to play poker with this guy. I think a shark lurks beneath.
:kick:

[in_cog_ni_to]

36. Gert never said she didn't want Wes to be VP.

It was a rumor. :hi:

[redstateblues]

38. Me Too- But Don't Forget How They Started the Smear On Wes

It really pushed his ratings down and destroyed his momentum

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

43. I even saw the beginning of a smear campaign like the SwiftBoats

I recall seeing blogs discuss Clark's wounds in Vietnam in the incident in which he won the Silver Star and say that he wasn't heroic and allowed his unit to get ambushed. Who wants to bet that if Clark had been the VP choice, there would have been two simultaneous 527's going after the records of both Kerry and Clark in Vietnam.

[robbedvoter]

49. Yup. Chickenhawks safer to run than heroes. makes sense.

[RichardRay]

53. There would also have been blood in the water

I don't think the General would have maintained the same measured equanimity JK did. I think he would have gone hunting for the idiots and it wouldn't have been pretty. Consider the way the dope slapped Aaron Brown during the primaries.....

Good or bad? Who knows? But it would have been fun to watch....

Richard Ray - Jackson Hole, WY

[girl gone mad]

83. Clark never would have agreed to lay low..

while the GOP attacked his character. It just isn't in his nature.

Clark was my choice in the primaries, and I nearly got banned from DU for defending him against the relentless barrage of criticism.

In the end, however, what did Clark in was the decision by his campaign not to run in Iowa. I pleaded with them at the time to reconsider that move.

It's all water under the bridge now. I support Kerry. I was impressed by his comeback in the primaries. I know he's adopted some of the ideas which drew me to Clark in the first place. I'd like to see him adopt Clark's 'take no prisoners' attitude as well.

[bushwakker]

90. You're right - advisors be damned Clark would not have let them

attack Kerry and he had the credibility to hit back (this is not an attack on Edwards - each politician has strengths and weakneses. This election just happens to have been one that played to WC's strenghts.)

[Crunchy Frog]

39. If there's anyone who managed to tape

today's appearances, or other recent ones, and could send me a copy, please PM me.

I manage to keep missing most of them, although I did get the John's Hopkins speech since that was only run on CSPAN about a dozen times.

Thanks.

[Bo]

41. Clark for Pres.

[Rageneau]

46. If Kerry Wants To Fight, Here's His Example.

Unfortunately, Kerry seems to think he already KNOWS how to fight.

Maybe he did, back home in Massachusetts, the most liberal state in the Union.

But, as Clark understands, we're not in Massachusetts anymore.

[indie_voter]

50. I wish Kerry would announce Clark willl be his SoS if he is elected

This will put more attention on Clark and his message.

[robbedvoter]

54. Who cares who is the SOS? The Clark boat has sailed. Buh-bye.

Enjoy both Americas.

[Raya]

56. Right ticket was Kerry/Clark. Dems self-destructed with big Edwards

lobbying effort.

Dem's internal factional debate took the focus off the agenda of
the general election -- national security.

Don't blame Edwards. Whole bunch of groups were campaigning for
him, from labor, to lawyers, to Nader. All loved his enthusiasm
and his 2 Americas story. Too bad it was really irrelevant.

[indie_voter]

59. I supported Clark in the primary

Needless to say, I now support Kerry/Edwards.

I was really hoping Clark would be the VP too, but since he isn't, announcing him as SoS migh be a way to sharpen the debate (MHO of course)..

[Kahuna]

65. I don't blame Edwards at all. As I said, at the time Edwards..

was selected, the national security issue looked like it was going to be off the table.

[Tatiana]

YUP.

As Kahuna stated earlier, this election, whether good or bad, has focused on National Security, something that is not Edward's forte. It would have made sense to have someone on the ticket who had a plan for not only our nation's security, but someone who would end this stupid war in Iraq and bring our troops home.

If anyone knows about war strategy and diplomacy, it's Clark.

***Sigh*** But I don't need to be crying over spilled milk.

[Leilani]

73. The irony is that we Clarkies predicted this would happen.

We knew National Security would be so important, but we were laughed at.

[Tatiana]

77. Laughed at by some.

But I think most just simply "misunderestimated" the current political climate. The tragedy in Russia hadn't occurred. I think most Dems thought the whole national security issue would fade away and we would be focused more on domestic issues. Unfortunately that has not been the case, as we Clarkies predicted.

We've just got to do all we can to pull this one out for Kerry. But yes, I have regrets. I remember the anchor on Fox who repeated the Republican talking point that Clark was a "perfumed prince" and I remember the ease and forcefulness with which Clark smacked the anchor down. What we need right now is a flurry of smackdowns on these Republican thugs. It's not enough for Kerry's "surrogates" to do it. It has to come from the man himself.

[Leilani]

80. Yeah, there was lots of support for Edwards

but it was Kerry s decision to make. The 1st important decision he had to make as a nominee, & it tells us a lot...he misjudged the issues.

I think his IWR vote was also a miscalculation. He saw it as politically expedient at the time...well, times change.

[grasswire]

55. the difference...

....in how Kerry has been treated and how Clark would have been treated as the presidential candidate is this:

1. Wes doesn't have that 1971 issue (Kerry's testimony to Congress) to be turned against him.

2. Wes doesn't have a senatorial vote record to be turned against him.

3. Wes isn't rich, to be turned against him.

4. Wes doesn't speak in nuances, to be turned against him.

Kerry is an easier target for Rove than Clark would have been.

[LiberalBushFan]

60. Too bad Kerry won't attack Bush like he attacked Clark...

he seemed to have plenty of courage when he called Clark a "Republican lobbyist" etc. I guess he only attacks other Dems strongly. Have to go easy on the Swifties though, and don't mention the Saudi 9/11 coverup, that'd be impolite, and don't mention the possibility of a draft if Bush is re-elected, because that's just so low.

[robbedvoter]

63. In fairness, the media helped moore then. CNN, Dandruff & all whores

were all squealing with pleasure. Now, they are behind THEIR guy, W

[Kahuna]

66. Right. Notice not a word from the media about Edwards now..

Zip. Nada. T'was to be expected.

[Tatiana]

78. Good point.

Why aren't they fawning all over him and singing his praises now?

[Kahuna]

85. Not a peep about him since Kerry named him. Kinda like ..

before Wes decided to run, and they were all nice to him. Then when he announced, they became vicious and snarky. Scum, I tell ya. Scum!!!!!!!! :puke:

[Protected]

69. That's a good point

I remember reading about the anti-Clark literature that the Kerry folks were handing out in New Hampshire. At least Clark didn't take it personally. He has said many times that it was never personal, but I think he's being too kind.

[wishlist]

68. He is so succinct, concise and direct in getting the points across

No one is better than Wes Clark at clearly pointing out babyBush's failing ways and Kerry's superior positions on the issues. He gave Chris Matthews the best smackdown I have ever seen during the Dem Convention. Hope we see much more of him in the weeks ahead.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

70. Gee, and this was on CBS!!!

Maybe CBS is trying to be the last bastion of Journalism in the U.S!

:kick:

[DaveSZ]

71. Damn

I wish I could vote for this man.

He tells it like he sees it.

[incapsulated]

74. Actually, it was NBC not CBS

It was the Today show.

He rocked, of course.

Papa don't take no mess... :)

Edit to add: I saw the Hopkins speech twice but my VCR is on the fritz. If anyone has a tape please pm me! :hi:

[PROGRESSIVE1]

76. How was the host towards Wes?

How whorish or not?

[incapsulated]

79. Pretty tame

She repeated a few rethug talking points that Clark handled easily (and pointed out that the polls that are often repeated are not taking into consideration individual swing states numbers). He answered the usual IWR question with his usual *clarity* that Kerry seems to have such difficulty doing. She tossed him a softball on Iraq. He DID speak over her at one point, I think he is sick of getting cut off and not being allowed to finish his thought. I was happy to see that. It wasn't a long interview but he made the most of it. :)

[PROGRESSIVE1]

82. What was her name (the interviewer)?

[Kahuna]

84. Campbell Brown. She did get a tad snarky. Wes dominated the

talking points and wouldn't let her get the RNC talking points in. She kept trying to interrupt him. But he wouldn't let her. :D That's my Wes.

[incapsulated]

86. It was Campbell Brown n/t

[elperromagico]

81. I love John Kerry, but Wes is the man!

Always has been, always will be. :D

[tishaLA]

88. I've always known I like you perrito