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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 12:56 PM
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Is Kerry fighting back or not???? Let's document!
I admit to being isolated in California where neither candidate spends money on local television advertising and the local media where I live is much more balanced than the national media. However, I don't know if Kerry is fighting back because there is a media filter that keeps Kerry's message from being heard. I don't see any advertising on the air(because I live in a "safe" state), and I don't hear what Kerry's saying at his rallies and appearances because the media won't show it.

Is he fighting back in a VISIBLE way or not? The spending caps have been lifted. Do you see advertising in your area? Please post any evidence that he is fighting back, except things that no one sees, such as press releases. They may be well written, but they are preaching to the choir and no one sees them, thanks again to the media. Is his message changing? Has he or his surrogates gone after this AWOL thing? What was their reaction to the Cheney comment? Most of all, has any of it been successful, or do we need to get much, much more negative?
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21winner Donating Member (374 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 01:02 PM
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1. Don't ask here.
You need to go to his site. I am sure you bookmarked it.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 01:04 PM
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2. Thanks but
I specifically asked for examples that are reaching the mainstream population through mass media. Thanks for the interest and the attitude though.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 01:36 PM
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6. I'm in Iowa and we do get Kerry and DNC ads but the ones I have noticed
lately are the nasty Repug 527 ads (and I don't mean the SBVLiars). There are a lot of them now about how wonderful * is on the WOT and how Kerry is weak.

A few minutes ago I saw a new one with military vets saying how dangerous it would be it Kerry was CIC. It was nasty and I don't even know who the group is that ran it.

Where the hell are the Dem 527's? I'm sorry but their ads haven't been very effective on this issue and God know there is a lot of ammo. The ones there are focus on economic issues which is fine but we need to attack * on the WOT and Iraq.

How about an ad about how * blew it in Tora Bora. How he diverted resources and let the Osama get away. All the lies. They need to do ads on this.

We need to attack * on the WOT because the sheeple are buying it as a strength of his and we need to blow a bunch of holes all through out that BS.
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 01:17 PM
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3. I don't see how he can get more aggressive than this
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 01:27 PM
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4. no signs, no bumperstickers, no funds to overturn pukes
in my area(Coachella Valley). no fight at all. I guess they figure Calif is safe.They are counting electoral votes here not popular.Too bad.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 01:43 PM
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7. he isnt coming in texas either, i dont get bothered
why shouldnt he have comfort in areas he is strong dems that will go out and help him. why would you be bothered he is limiting his resource and time to fight for the areas he needs to win.

i dont get this attitude. like people feel left out.

we have to do our part. i live in mostly repug, i understand him not coming here, doenst stop me from pressing on. dont expect nor do i want him to waste his money here
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 03:09 PM
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17. Gray Davis took California for granted
I guarantee irregularities on election day.A huge plurality would help us. We have too many puke reps in Socal, how about some f'n coat tails? Itis a question of moarle and turnout. The media is trying to depress turnout among dems. It would also have spill over to AZ and NV , especially among Hispanics..Massive rallies can help.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 03:40 PM
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18. I am would could be a swing district
IF, there were a fight and High Dem turnout and new registrations, but ho hum . We already got the electors so why worry about loyals who want lawn signs in a swing district?
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Zorbet55 Donating Member (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 01:35 PM
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5. Fighting back?....uhh..
It seems this campaign is too dignified to fight back. Kerry's handlers have told him to lean back on the ropes, try to cover, and wait for an open shot. The Clinton campaign took the offensive and countered every punch before it could even be thrown. I think that Cahill thinks that Rove will tire himself out...NOT! August was a disaster with the Rove bunch making Kerry answer a Bush rhetorical question. Can you imagine? Carville would have had Clinton caving in Bush's jaw instead of providing him with fodder. The Kerry war room is full of petticoats and fluff instead of strategists. I say change the tenor now. Like it or not, this electorate loves sleaze and braun. They have to have things broken down to them in the simplest of terms. When Bush/Cheney start that crap about the dangers of terrorism if they don't elect them, they need to have Kerry tell them how foolish they are to buy into it and believe it. They need to have Kerry explain to their simple minds how insulting that the very premise of the argument is and why.:hurts: They need Kerry and Edwards to make Bush/Cheney the poster-boys of terror and explain to them how international terror attacks have and will increase in another Bush term of office.
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21winner Donating Member (374 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 02:05 PM
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9. So tell them.
go to the site. i am sure they will listen.
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Zorbet55 Donating Member (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 02:22 PM
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11. I have told them.
Edited on Sun Sep-12-04 02:27 PM by Zorbet55
I told them the last time that I sent a contribution. They won't listen. If they won't listen to Carville, then you should know that I'm not getting through to them.

Whose picture is that in my message? I like it, but I'll be darned if I know who it is.
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saccheradi Donating Member (161 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 02:18 PM
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10. too many puppies...
This campaign will not succeed unless it does precisely what you are advocating. We need, and I am expectant and hopeful that we will see, a BLITZ as never before felt in American Politics that will tear apart the facade of the current administration.

It must combine force of rhetoric, advertising, debates and protests in wave after wave that will steadily wear down the foundations of the Republican lie machine, and every false doubt they plant to support * in any way will be slammed into the floor before it can be heard.

I firmly believe That's what must happen to save this Nation and the World, and it must be followed by consistent and wise action for years to come.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 03:54 PM
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19. Good post, Z55 -- welcome to DU -- ( nt)
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saccheradi Donating Member (161 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 01:58 PM
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8. I've seen nothing, heard nothing...
The Pukes say Kerry's weak. That's the impression that is being driven all around us. The only visible responses that I have seen to this image have not hit the mark. What we need now is force, bold driven force in EVERY respect. Force on issues, force on action, Force on what Kerry will do to rectify the mistakes of the last 4 years.

And the force must come from Kerry himself. He needs to voice his stands on every issue right now, pound as many podiums as he can and not back down from ANY OF THEM.

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Zorbet55 Donating Member (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 02:39 PM
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12. Kerry needs to attack the media
The media has done everything possible to slant the public towards Bush and away from Kerry. That's why it is imperative to begin bullying the media. When they try to dominate the conversation and distort things to their liking, that's when Kerry needs to slap them, kick them in the groin, grab the mike and publicly humiliate them in front of a national audience.

We need to do the same thing to friends and relatives who refuse to listen. When people don't listen, you just have to beat the living hell out of them. :kick:
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Machiavelli05 Donating Member (335 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 02:44 PM
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13. He is NOT fighting back and I think it will hurt him
There was an article that ran in the Wash Post just a few days ago about how Cahill advised - against the opinion of many other aides - that Kerry should NOT respond in force to the SBV for Lies campaign because it would just blow over
Well, the timing for that to combine with a convention bounce was perfect and it has given Bush some good momentum - luckily I DO think it will blow over in part by election day but I think it was silly to implement a sit back and let it blow over strategy. The problem our party has had is that we get taken to the house by aggressive spin doctors like Rove and we NEVER make a viable counter attack.

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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 03:56 PM
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20. Welcome to DU, Mach05 -- (nt)
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cheshire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 02:50 PM
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14. I'm a Californian and I see ads on TV all the time. We are not a complete
Edited on Sun Sep-12-04 02:51 PM by dieharderdem
strong blue state according to polls and work here is important too. Watch out for electronic voting machines too.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 03:02 PM
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15. I don't know where you are
BUT HERE IN RIVERSIDE CO- ZIP
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 03:07 PM
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16. If Kerry fights back in a forest and nobody hears him....
Edited on Sun Sep-12-04 03:12 PM by ocelot
we'll think he isn't fighting at all, which is exactly what KKKarl wants. The major media and the Bush Regime are now effectively one and the same, and of course the media barely cover Kerry, no matter what he does or says (unless they can find something negative). So we conclude he isn't fighting back; we think he's weak, and we give up. And KKKarl, crouching in his darkened lair, cackles maniacally...
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 03:58 PM
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21. This is indeed a big part of the problem -- no coverage (nt)
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