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louis c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 04:18 PM
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Rasmussen Battleground Report for Sunday
The Rasmussen Home Page has Bush up by 3 points today. This is a three day tracking poll. In the 16 battleground states, it is still a tie. This info is available on his home page, free of charge.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com

On his Paid Premium Site, his five battleground states seven day rolling tracking average for 9/12/04 are:

Florida, Kerry 49%-47%; Michigan Kerry 50%-44%; North Carolina, Bush 54%-43% (this is actually good movement from a Kerry 17 point deficit on 9/10/04); Ohio, Kerry 48%-46% (this has been a 2 or 3 point Kerry lead for the last seven days); Pennsylvania Bush 49%-48% (this is the first Bush lead in seven days).
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A_Possum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 04:19 PM
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1. really appreciate your reports louis c
they show the underlying perspective
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featherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 04:21 PM
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2. Good info. Thanks
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Chili Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 04:23 PM
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3. much thanks from me too
it's most appreciated!
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 04:26 PM
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4. Michigan looks very good
and to actually be leading in Florida and Ohio excellent. I'm not worried about Pennsylvania as I think Kerry will ultimately win it. I wish the tracking poll #'s will tighten again soon, though I know there will be spikes up and down for both candidates. Another good point is that the football games today I saw two effective Kerry ads on the economy using Bush's own words against him.
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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 04:34 PM
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5. What is up with PA?
I don't understand that, unless they just polled people from central PA.
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louis c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 05:54 PM
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11. The numbers fluctuate from day to day
Edited on Sun Sep-12-04 05:58 PM by louis c
Tracking polls develop a trend, and are more like a moving picture than a snapshot. When you see a lead hold for a week or ten days, then you can get the true sense of what's going on. Florida goes from +2 to -2 all the time during the week. So, the sense is it's a toss-up. Ohio has been +2 to +3 for over a week, so you can assume a small Kerry lead. Pennsylvania has been +2 to +4 Kerry, until today. Now, it must be watched closely to see if this is just a small bump, an aberration, or a trend. Michigan has been for Kerry, but on 9/8/04, a small bump put Bush a point ahead. The very next day, Kerry was +4, then +2, +3, now +6. See the trend.

The tracking evens itself out, to give you a true sense of the electorate. Of course, this is all assuming the figures are accurate. I do.

Nationally, Kerry had a lead of 2 to 4 points from the choosing of Edwards up to the Swiftliars ads. Bush slowly pulled even, then was ahead by 3 to 5 points for a week following the RNC. Now, the numbers are Bush by 1 to 3 points.

Trends are what you watch on tracking. For instance, in a conventional poll like Time or Newsweek, if that poll is taken over a two day span, and released three days later, even if the numbers are accurate for those two days, the info is obsolete by the time you hear it. Add to that the timing could be influenced by a single event. It becomes an irrelevant "snap-shot".

The only "snap-shot" poll that means anything is November 2, because that day is frozen in time.

Right now, only tracking polls can give you a true sense of what's going on.
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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 05:59 PM
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13. Thanks for the explanation and for your info every day.
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 04:37 PM
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6. Can Edwards get Northh Carolina? n/t
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louis c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 07:53 PM
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21. I don't think so
Libby Dole is there, and they love her.

Now that the Veterans' bullshit has undercut the Kerry strategy among that group, North Carolina seems like a lost cause.

I like Nevada, because of Yucca Flats waste site that Bush lied about. Plus, strong Unions, and a lot of new voters. Add the Medicare hike and prescription drugs for the retirees, that's a good spot for Kerry.

New Hampshire should go to us, because of the Mass. citizens working for Kerry up there, as well a Vermonters.

If we don't carry Colorado, but the new initiative giving the electors out by congressional district passes there, we could be in court again.
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Droopy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 04:39 PM
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7. That's odd
Kerry up in Ohio but down in PA. I think Ohio is a more conservative state than PA.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 04:44 PM
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8. Kerry and Edwards need to do more appearance in PA
Bush/Cheney have been inundating this state. Lot of complaints too about Kerry campaign people on the ground in Pittsburgh as well.
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vickie Donating Member (663 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 04:49 PM
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9. What kinds of complaints against Kerry campaign people?
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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 04:49 PM
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10. Agree with that 100%. Bush/Cheney are here CONSTANTLY.
Actually makes me sick to my stomach. Kerry CANNOT take this state for granted. There are still hunters here who think Kerry will take away their hunting rifles. Don't they realize that when Bush gets done ruining the environment there will be nothing left to hunt???
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louis c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 07:53 PM
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22. Please read reply #11
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louis c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 06:04 PM
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16. Please read Reply #11
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Bush was AWOL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 05:57 PM
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12. Hard to believe Kerry is down in PA
and up in Ohio and Florida.
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louis c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 05:59 PM
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14. Please read my explanation
in reply #11.
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SoCalDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 06:01 PM
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15. likely or registered
are those likely or registered voter numbers? It makes a considerable difference.
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louis c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 06:20 PM
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18. What kind of "unlikely voter"
takes the time to answer questions about polling?

I think it makes no difference in a Presidential election.

"Could you take the time to answer some questions about the upcoming election?" respondent "O.K." Q. "Do you intend on voting" A. "No".

and then for the next ten minutes that person gives the polling agent answers about an election they're not voting in?

Those are separated into certain votes, and leaners. Rasmussen gives results with leaners, and they alway increase the Kerry total, but are not put into the "hard data". They are however, made available to premium members, but I don't put much stock in leaners until the week before the election.

Come on, grow up, and don't fall for that Repuke shit.

If you're willing to tell a stranger on the phone that you intend to vote Bush or Kerry, why would you not vote on election day?
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 06:05 PM
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17. when's the last time kerry's been in PA?
i think we'll win it, but i can't believe how close it is.
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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 06:22 PM
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19. He was in Allentown last week.
Big turnout for him...about 15,000 people.
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Demi_Babe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 06:47 PM
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20. Thank you
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