Things are going to hell in Iraq. What next mr. president?

[spanone]

The War No One Wants Is Not Going Well. Are the Iraqis Enjoying Their New Found Democracy?

BAGHDAD, Iraq, Sept. 12 - In a series of tightly sequenced attacks, at least 25 Iraqis were killed by suicide car bombings and a barrage of missile and mortar fire in several neighborhoods across Baghdad on Sunday

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/13/international/middleeast/13iraq.html?ex=1095048000&en=30a75924f63440e4&ei=5059&partner=AOL

[Demi_Babe]

1. this war is going to hell and so is bush

he makes me sick!

[RevCheesehead]

the next suggested campaign ad:

I just wish he'd show up there NOW.

[cheshire]

8. Oh sure, Now he tells the truth.

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. Hmm tragic success?

Isn't this a good paraphrase of the chimp?

[goodhue]

3. We need a Road map Out of Iraq . . .

www.RoadmapOutofIraq.org

A Roadmap Out of Iraq: Six Signposts to Iraqi Sovereignty, Security

A Principled And Responsible Withdrawal From Iraq

Despite the ceremonial transfer of power in Iraq that took place two days ahead of schedule, the US occupation of Iraq is not over.
- US troops and bases remain in Iraq under Administration and Pentagon, not Iraqi or UN, authority.
- The Administration continues to control Iraqi reconstruction funds.

The presence of US troops in Iraq is incitement to insurgency, and most Iraqis believe that the violence will depart with US troops. Since security in Iraq starts with sovereignty, not vice versa, we can expect the violence in Iraq to increase.

According to the most recent polls of the Washington Post and MSNBC, Americans are already solidly behind full, Iraqi economic and political sovereignty, and that 70% of the public believes that the invasion and occupation of Iraq is unjustified. We are divided only on the conditions under which US troops are brought home, and how soon.

We can clear the path to bring US troops home this year if we can provide an alternative exit strategy that holds fast to our core principles, meets the American people in their concerns and values, and accounts for the political and logistical realities of getting US troops out of Iraq, and UN peacekeepers - especially from Arab and/ or Muslim nations - in.

We can create enough political will in the public, in our political officials, and in at least one of the Presidential Campaigns to shift the course of US policy, and put American troops and corporations on the road out of Iraq.

In so doing, we can not only help to decide the President for the next four years, but his policies, by advancing our principles and Peace Platform policy goals through the vehicle of the road map out of Iraq.

It will take all the passion, commitment, compassion and hope that each one of us can muster to make this happen. But, given the current rule of war, terror and repression, let’s take this chance together!

Six Signposts to Iraqi Sovereignty and Ending the Occupation

Secure a UN Security Council Resolutions that:

1. Places all foreign troops in Iraq immediately under UN mandate and defines their mission as a peacekeeping force. (International Cooperation)

2. Provides for the rotation of foreign troop commitments to the peacekeeping force in order to replace US troops by a specified date (end of 2004); (International Cooperation)

3. Provides for the UN oversight of free elections, and grants the elected government of Iraq full power to order the departure of UN peacekeepers and foreign bases from their lands. (Human Rights and Rule of Law)

4. Places reconstruction budgets under the sole control of Iraqi ministries and local councils, and ensures that contracts go to Iraqi companies and workers first. (Economic Justice)

5. Establishes the power of the elected government of Iraq to renegotiate and dissolve any contracts brokered by the occupying power or its appointees, the interim councils. (Economic Justice)

6. Commits the US, UK and its “coalition of the willing” to provide long-term, financial support from their own budgets for Iraqi reconstruction. (International Cooperation and Rule of Law)


www.RoadmapOutofIraq.org

[Lefta Dissenter]

4. It just might be time

to slide on over to Iran. After all, these Iraqi's were supposed to be running their own country by now, anyway...

I just HATE this, just HATE it. :(

[sambird90]

5. WAR PIGS OF DESTRUTION

as all of this is occuring does it not make you think of just how much the Iraqi people think of us as bringers of peace and democracy to there war ravaged nation?:nuke:

[Doctor_J]

6. what's next?

Iran, of course. Let's distract the electorate from Iraq with a few nights of Schlock and Auuuugh in Iran. The October Surprise predicted by Wes Clark will have lots of pretty fireworks, and by 11/2 no one will even know there's a difference between Iraq and Iran. Can they string together enough attacks to get Jebinto office in 2008? We'll see.

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. You are talking of Muricans

they have no clue where Iraq is, never mind that there is border with Iran... or for that matter that Iran shares a border with Afghanistan.

Don't you love geography?

I can only say one thing, GUNS OF AUGUST...

[yardwork]

10. The Big Question

How far is the media willing to go to cover for this murderer and enable his crimes? They are deeply complicit in helping the White House get us where we are now. How much further are they willing to go?

Exactly how much corruption will hundreds of billions of dollars in defense contracts buy?

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. There you go again, undeestimating

the contracts are actually worth TRILLIONS...

But the billions are in thigns like deregulation... don't you love it?

IT IS ThE MEDIA STUPID!

[AuntPatsy]

7. Many many people have blood on their hands, how can

they live with themselves when they honestly could care less how many Iraqs die at the same time worshiping Bush for supposingly ending such tyranny and unjustices...

Im speechless at times and completely dumbfounded...

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. I hate to say it, but rank nationalism

better known as jingoism, has something to do with this.

[smirkymonkey]

12. Oh well, can't win 'em all!

We'll just focus on getting a fresh start in Iran!

I doubt he'll say it, but that's probably what he's thinking. He's used to fucking up, moving on and letting somebody else clean up his mess. What a f***ing disaster.

[shrub chipper]

14. I heard on the radio

Condi Rice was explaining the violence in Iraq today as being caused by the insurgents being so frustrated by the success of the Government in Iraq.

I do give her credit, though, in that she made it through the whole premise w/o laughing at its stupidity

[shraby]

15. Iran has a real army

and a lot more people than Iraq. If Bush can't maintain control in Iraq, how in the hell does he expect to invade Iran? Not only that, but Afghanistan is out of control too.

[ItsMyParty]

16. Why are the damn press grilling Kerry over "hey, bastard, what the

hell are you going to do about it, huh--why you picking on Bush" and yet no one gets the little ferret on and says "hey, asshole, you made this mess, now tell the American people how the fuck we are going to get out of there"?? Why does he get a pass and not have to answer the question??????????????

[Neecy]

17. I just don't get it

He lies to get us into this mess, there's no end in sight, and it's been turned into a slaughterhouse for all concerned.

WHY is Bush even a blip in the polls? How can any thinking person consider this debacle worthwhile?

There's an incredibly depressing article in the current issue of Rolling Stone - they talk to a black-market arms dealer in Baghdad, and the weapons that we're giving to the Iraqi police and military - yes, our tax dollars at work - are being sold on the black market and being used against our troops. If this whole thing isn't the biggest fuckup in the history of our foreign policy, I don't know what is. And Bush walks away from it totally clean...I just don't understand.

[knight_of_the_star]

18. Keep this in mind

"WHY is Bush even a blip in the polls? How can any thinking person consider this debacle worthwhile?"

That is assuming that everyone in America is a thinking person, which based on the polls I think that shows it is not the case.

[kid a]

19. shhhhhhh - not now - race to close to call

[Disturbed]

20. Understanding

The American people are conditioned to the concept of winning. It's the only thing that matters. It doesn't matter how the winning is done. The Neo Fascists have cleverly fashioned this as a War On Terrorism. Any country can be invaded on that premise now. The winning takes time. It cannot be disputed that America cannot win in Iraq or Afghanistan because it's just a matter of time. If America just stays the course. Vietnam was lost because the politicians and the liberals wouldn't stay the course. They lost their will to win.

Kerry/Edwards are painted as weak and not willing to win the War On Terror. Liberals and the Left Wingers are not tough enough to win the War On Terror and their weakness invites more terrorists to attack America.

This is the crux of the debate.

That is why the Kerry campaign went with the Kerry was a Hero in war. Unfortunately, the Neo Fascists put a dent into that with the Swiftboat Liars and the eroneous misperceptions of Kerry's votes in Congress. The Neo Fascists play down and dirty and consider any election as warfare where no rules apply. People keep saying that fear and smear shouldn't be used but then also say it is effective. If Dems go on the attack they are attacked for being negative and desperate.

Sound bytes and perception win over complexity and facts.

It's War!

[Englander]

21. The Iraq war is lost...

with thousands of corpses-US,British,Polish,Italian,Spanish,
Brazilian(the UN envoy),and last but not least,
Iraqi.

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/

Impeach the War Criminal!!