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Southern Patriot Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 01:42 AM
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"Kerry could still win..."
Edited on Tue Sep-14-04 02:07 AM by Southern Patriot
But, as Mike Tomasky opines in his web special column for The American Prospect, "anytime a liberal columnist opens his column with a phrase like that, it's not a good sign."

Check out the rest of the column at http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=ViewWeb&articleId=8490

From the article:
In a rational world (speaking of things liberals want to believe in!), they would win campaigns on the issues. And in fact they did win two, but that was only when they had an unusually articulate and charismatic candidate named Clinton (and when it was possible to win with 43 percent of the vote, as Clinton did in 1992, or when the Hobbesians nominate a septuagenarian hatchet man, as they did in 1996).

But the world is the world. Republicans understand the world, and Democrats do not. Republicans know that voters will respond emotionally to character questions, and they know that the media will lap them up like a thirsty dog. Democrats keep thinking that voters will do something as improbably nutritional as study a health care plan (as, surely, a scattered few do), and that the media will show themselves eager to write articles and broadcast discussion segments about health care plans. Both assumptions are folly.

George W. Bush has a record the Democrats should have made mincemeat of. Right about now, the media should be writing, and American voters should be thinking: Golly, a million jobs lost, millions more in poverty, manufacturing down; no WMD's, 1,000-plus dead, Iraq on the brink of civil war, al-Qaeda larger than ever and still recruiting, acts of worldwide terrorism on the rise, North Korea and Iran responding to the cowboy routine by going nuclear. This should have been easy.

Now, it's too late for the Democrats to create these narratives. The counter-narrative is too well established. Kerry could still win, but whatever his fate, Democratic political professionals need to think hard about this. They get paid millions of dollars (and here I am offering all this for free), and they dispense the same wrong advice over and over. And over. And over. And. . .
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fearnobush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 01:45 AM
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1. Still Win? See the latest FOX news and TIPP polls, Kerry actually LEADS !!
Deal with it.
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 01:46 AM
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2. HE IS WINNING!!!
Sorry for the caps, but I am sick of this type of thread. Go blow your nose, kid.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 01:47 AM
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3. Pathetic
Go back from whence ye came. I am SICK of DOOMsters with their 100 or so count.


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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 01:59 AM
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4. He is winning but I like your points. It should be a blowout.
Bill Maher had a good point tonight. Kerry needs to 'call Bush out.' That's it; say he's a slanderer who is running the filthiest campaign in US history; then bring up your issues plus stem cell research daily. Welcome to DU!!! Creative southerners are always welcome (as well as any southerner who votes for Kerry).
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Southern Patriot Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 02:06 AM
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6. I only wrote one paragraph in that post... the rest is a quote.
Sorry, if I didn't make that clear... I'll edit.

Mainly, I agree with him about high priced operatives who seem to be repetitively caught napping.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 02:02 AM
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5. No, Kerry WILL win. That's because Kerry has a record of....
...coming from behind in a number of his previous elections. Unlike Mike Tomasky, Kerry doesn't panic, and he doesn't quit.

I was totally amazed when I read the following incredibly naive paragraph written by Mr. Tomasky:

"George W. Bush has a record the Democrats should have made mincemeat of. Right about now, the media should be writing, and American voters should be thinking: Golly, a million jobs lost, millions more in poverty, manufacturing down; no WMD's, 1,000-plus dead, Iraq on the brink of civil war, al-Qaeda larger than ever and still recruiting, acts of worldwide terrorism on the rise, North Korea and Iran responding to the cowboy routine by going nuclear. This should have been easy."

Guess what, Mike? The mainstream press is owned, lock, stock, and barrel, by major conservative corporations. They are NOT going to press home any of the points you listed above. Oh, some of the information will be reported by the media, but not enough to make "mincemeat" out of anyone, much less the Squatter-in-Chief.

The best political ammunition available to the Democrats will be fired off during the last month of the campaign. That will be the information that voters will remember when they cast their votes, not what went on during the previous several months.

No, Mike, the Democrats are going to rely on the grassroots efforts of Democrats working 24/7 in the trenches to get out the vote. Most, if not all, of those people don't even show up as a ripple in the polls...but they will definitely make their presence felt in November. The "least likely voters" will carry the day, and the NeoCons will be summarily dismissed from their centers of power.
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SeekingTruth Donating Member (370 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 02:49 AM
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7. We need to heed articles like this....
they have a point and frankly, blaming all of this on the corporate owned media is not going to do it.

There is more to this race than just the Presidencey - though with that comes the possible nomination of several Supreme Court Justices.

I am just as sick and angry as everyone else when it comes to that of the media focusing on BS, but we keep giving it to them free of charge. It is as Ken Auletta said tonight on Charlie Rose - the candidate is the final decision maker in a campaign, so we shall see how this thing plays out.

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Satchel Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 03:22 AM
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8. I second that
Kerry needs to get tough. Dems need to get tough, what are we waiting for. Go on the offensive, instead of always being on the defensive.
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