Deaniacs! Where are you at?

[Nimble_Idea]

Stand and be counted! Is the Dean Machine a BEAST or a mouse?
Where has Dean been anyways.

[wyldwolf]

1. most went to another message board...

...they felt "oppressed" here.

[Nimble_Idea]

3. why? it's all over now. It's only Kerry VS Shrub now.

I hope they get out the vote big time. They could be the deciding factor in this election. They have massive internet savy.

[wyldwolf]

6. I dunno. The primary season was real ugly at DU...

...and many Dean supporters left.

[RubyDuby in GA]

39. Still here, not going anywhere

As the bumper sticker on my car says:
In an arranged marriage with John Kerry, Still in love with Howard Dean.

I still hold Gov. Dean's ideas and ideals close to my heart, but I, like my fellow Deaniacs, stand proudly behind Kerry and Edwards and we will do whatever it takes to get out the vote and get Kerry into the White House.

[Name removed]

46. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[wyldwolf]

56. what "shit" am I talking? And how about a little proof on...

..this statement:

still finding your way into every dean thread

[RetroLounge]

65. Well lets see, all Deaniacs here, and you.

Feel welcome yet?

RL

[wyldwolf]

70. but still an avoidance of the question in the post you replied to.

[RetroLounge]

74. LOL!

Nice Clark picture. How's that Primary Race shaping up for him?

RL

[wyldwolf]

77. Perhaps you missed the Kerry avatar and banner?

[RetroLounge]

48. and here you are continuing it.

The title said "DEANIACS" yet you were the first to respond.

Very telling...

RL

[wyldwolf]

53. The continuation goes on daily in the Kerry bash threads..

However, I was merely answering the original poster's question.

I was accurate, right?

Many did start their own board because they no longer felt DU was a friendly place to them, right?

[RetroLounge]

64. You merely threadjacked ANOTHER Dean Thread

Very telling.

Does it get you off?

RL

[wyldwolf]

68. I answered a question (accurately). It was the "deaniacs" who piled on..

..no, I don't get off on how easy some of you get riled up but it is funny.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

92. Lemme tell you something Dean did

he fired up the Dems in Texas. I'm here. I saw it. It happened last year and we STAYED fired up.

Bless him. We needed that.

[RetroLounge]

100. Damn right he did, and in Wisconsin too!

The same LARGE group of people I met thru the Dean Meetups are all now working toward Kerry and other local Dem Races.

RL

[Name removed]

5. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[wyldwolf]

8. it was the "dish it out but couldn't take it" crowd...

... who would post all manner of things about Kerry, Clark, and Edwards but would whine when the "favor" was returned.

[madfloridian]

9. Not all of us.

We know what happened.

[wyldwolf]

15. Didn't say "all of you" -- But Josh Marshall said it best:

Josh Marshall at talkingpoints memo said it best:

There is an awfully distressing tendency among a minority of Dean supporters to serve up no end of lacerating comments about other candidates and then to react with a sort of stunned and outraged shock when anyone criticizes their guy. It's the flip side of seeing the race in such heroic, if not messianic dimensions.

The primary is actually not concluded yet. And, pace John Calvin, I assume the outcome is not predetermined. So it is still permitted to criticize Mr. Dean and not be an enemy of democracy.

[AntiCoup2K4]

37. I can't remember if I've ever asked this before, but is Josh Marshall.....

...any relation to that fucking traitorous criminal PNAC'er Will Marshall?

And if he is, why in God's name would he be considered a reliable source on anything.

If he's not, then I apologize for the inference.

[wyldwolf]

41. no. And I didn't say he was a "reliable source" (though he is).. BUT...

...I was quoting an observation of his.

[madfloridian]

52. Now. to counter that unkind statement, I could post a few goodies as well.

But I won't, because I think it is poor taste and helps nothing.

You absolutely despise us. It is totally hurting only you. It bothers me not at all.

As to criticism of Dean, good grief. He has been bashed ever since he entered the race.

Oh, is this the same Josh Marshall who was advocating the falsity of the CBS documents.

[Zensea]

59. Just look at the obvious

& it's not unkind at all!
Marshall is talking about something that was going on before the primary season ended. Says it right in the quote.
So the real question is why something from back then is being brought up now.
See what I mean?

[wyldwolf]

66. I'll answer for you

post #1: I said some Dean supporter started their own board because they felt "oppressed" here at DU, which is true. They've said as much.

post #5: newsguyatl said, "i wouldn't say "oppressed" so much as sick of hearing shit about dean from the usual group of haters, yourself included."

post #8: I said, "it was the "dish it out but couldn't take it" crowd who would post all manner of things about Kerry, Clark, and Edwards but would whine when the "favor" was returned." Again, a true statement.

post #9: Madfloridian makes the obvious statement, "not all of us."

post #15: I quoted Josh Marshall for two reasons - he makes the point better than I and he further stresses that it is/was a minority of Dean supporters who acted this way. Thus emphasising madfloridian's point that it wasn't all of them.

[Zensea]

82. It was a rhetorical question

I already have my own answer.
I'm only peripherally or tangentially interested in getting into a debate about what the "correct" answer is though. Particularly since there's not a correct answer really, but just varying takes on the subject.
You seem to think that it's still important to bring up things from well before the primary season ended. That's your right.
I just don't happen to think that it's that important right now when there are more pressing concerns such as the upcoming election.

[wyldwolf]

88. file it away for future reference

You seem to think that it's still important to bring up things from well before the primary season ended.

Like... what?

I just don't happen to think that it's that important right now when there are more pressing concerns such as the upcoming election.

Correct, which is why you don't see former Clark, Kucinich, Lieberman (there was a few here), etc., followers still fawning over their guys/gal.

You don't see Clark, Kucinich, Lieberman (there was a few here), etc., followers saying, "I'll vote for Kerry but my heart belongs to_________."

You don't see former Clark, Kucinich, Lieberman (there was a few here), etc., supporters with icons saying their vote is on loan from __________________."

[Zensea]

95. the quote from Josh Marshall

is from before the primary season ended.
That's what I was referring to.

I don't do the things you are saying about fawning, etc.


How is what you are doing much different than what you say they are doing? That is, I'm sensing you think the behavior of Dean supporters creates divisiveness & I think what you are doing runs that danger also.

At least it looks that way judging from how some people are responding.

Who knows who started it? Is there a way to not perpetuate it?

[wyldwolf]

101. Yes it is, so?

I explained it's usage to you already in post 66.

I don't do the things you are saying about fawning, etc.

Didn't say you were.

I'm sensing you think the behavior of Dean supporters creates divisiveness & I think what you are doing runs that danger also.

Correct on the first account. However, regarding your second point - saying anything disparaging about Dean creates extreme divisiveness in some of their minds.

[RetroLounge]

96. Yawn. You still here?

:eyes:

RL

[wyldwolf]

97. yawn. YOU still here?

:eyes:

[liberalnurse]

20. Yes we do!

[madfloridian]

33. Oh, yes.

Oh, yes, we do

[shance]

25. LOL!! Speaking of dishing it out but can't hold their own, hey Wyldster**

Glad to see you suiting up and showing up to trash another thread!

Nothing like promoting good ole Democratic unity like you are so prone to do***

You make this party proud.

Keep up the great work!

:toast:

[wyldwolf]

31. LOL !

Speaking of dishing it out but can't hold their own

Speaking of? Who said anything about "can't hold their own
?"

Glad to see you suiting up and showing up to trash another thread!

I believe the only "trashing" so far is post #5 and yours

Nothing like promoting good ole Democratic unity like you are so prone to do

Correct.

Now, the disunity comes when people start the Dean-worshiping again.

[Malikshah]

Spot on! Gee where have we seen this sort of tendency before

Hmmmm could it be from the "Clintonisthereasonforeverythingwrongintheworldeventhoughhe'sbeenoutofoffice since2001"-crowd.

;)

[RetroLounge]

49. So why are you in a DEANIACs thread

Still dishing bullshit, I see.

RL

[wyldwolf]

73. where is the bullshit?

And then quote me the part of the DU rules that exludes people from certain threads. I must have missed those.

[RetroLounge]

67. and then there are those on DU who are too stupid

to know the Primary is over and prefer to keep on Dean bashing.

just saying...

RL

[wyldwolf]

75. and then there are those on DU who are too stupid

to know the Primary is over and prefer to keep on wishing Dean got the nom.

just saying...

[liberalnurse]

17. You got that right!

I tolerate many here....I never forget. I'll support Kerry and do....but I don't feel the national passion for Kerry that Dean still has from us.

[Zensea]

10. it's not a zero sum game

I don't feel oppressed here.
I like moving in many worlds instead of just one.
It's so much more interesting.
Probably why I left the midwest and moved to NYC and will move somewhere else eventually in my life.

[RetroLounge]

47. "Most" did not.

Former Deaniac here, All about Kerry now.

RL

[Cha]

83. Baloney, there's lots of Dean Supporters

right here on du!

[wyldwolf]

102. true, but how does that negate my point?

[BurtWorm]

2. Here! BEAST!

:hi:

[madfloridian]

4. I get accused of posting his schedule too much.

Where is he? Do a search on my name, and you will see. He is a little busy. Just got back from Rome, straight to Chicago to the House of Blues on Monday, today in MN at a rally and a book signing.
Was on MPR for a whole hour....I started a thread was totally ignored.

Next week he goes to Dubai for a speaking engagement, debate. He is active 6 days a week.

I post, it drops. I kick, it drops. Can you not tell he is not very welcome to be discussed here?

[bob reynolds]

16. really???who is Dean debating in Dubai? n/t

[no name no slogan]

42. He's here in MN with Molly Ivins, as you said

He's doing a book signing at a local Barnes & Noble, where he'll be followed by Molly Ivins. I'm thinking about heading over there myself in another hour to get a good seat. If it's anything like Jim Hightower's appearance last month, it will be standing room only an hour before he's due.

This Kucitizen is glad to see Dean out on the trail getting Democrats energized-- also also for helping out with the Progressive Democrats of America (www.pdamerica.org).

Kerry is our nominee, but he's going to need all the help the grassroots can get him. Kerry won't win in November because of his "professional" campaign handlers, but in spite of them.

It will be WE, THE PEOPLE who win this one for him.

[mzmolly]

43. Dang!!! I didn't know that.

:(

I love Molly and I loooove Dean!

[no name no slogan]

108. Yeah, I shoulda posted that here -- my bad

..although Dennis Kucinich was in town at a low-key event on Sunday. He gave some very compelling reasons why the peace & justice community should vote for Kerry this year, but he didn't pull any punches on where he thought Kerry needed improvement. He said he wasn't going into a new Kerry administration with blinders on, and neither should we.

The new Progressive Democrats of America organization is really taking shape, too. Howard Dean and his supporters have been instrumental in the creation of PDA, and are doing fantastic work. Progressives will be a strong force in the party regardless of how November 2 turns out!

:toast:

[WilliamPitt]

105. "I get accused of posting his schedule too much"

...by dumb people. I always appreciate the heads up you post. The man is an important Democrat.

[madfloridian]

106. Thanks, Will.

We appreciate your posting some of his editorials at Truthout.

[madfloridian]

7. I will say this.

I have been told privately that some have been asked to ignore the Dean threads. No proof just someone's words to me.

He is not popular at this board.

On Edit.
I just want to make it clear on edit that I am not whining. I do not care what people think of us anymore. We are staying together in various forums in various ways. Most are trying to be good Democrats.

We are hoping the party will take a stand on Iraq. It may not. Back to you later.

[Tom Rinaldo]

110. Well Dean is very popular with me, and I'm not even a Deaniac

Good to see a Deanie thread up here. Best to all you "guys"...

[lojasmo]

11. I'm here,

though I typically use this site as a news clearing house. I spend most of my online time on another site.

My wife and friends are at a house party with howard right now.

[mopinko]

12. he is out there

i am still getting e-mails and calls based on my contributions to the dean campaign. he is out there helping the dean dozens. i am out here sending money to the congressional dozens. you should be too.
and thanks mf for the updates. i, for one, appreciate it.

[WI_DEM]

13. What the hell are you talking about?

Dean has had a heavy campaign schedule in many states and has been an able surrogate for Kerry on television and many democrats including Dascle his "Machine" has raised a ton of money for.

Get over yourself. Your not fostering party harmony by posting this type of crap with nothing to back it up with.

p.s.
This Deaniac has been working for Dems in Wisconsin like Russ Feingold, Tammy Baldwin and yes, John Kerry.

[Nimble_Idea]

79. Hold your noodle bub.

I wasn't trying to attack Dean or deaniacs. I was just doing a rally call in a fun spirit. I think Dean was the coolest thing to happen to politics.

And I didn't know what dean or deaniacs were doing. I wasn't saying they weren't doing anything, I just wanted to know.

sheesh.

[Voltaire]

14. Here's to hoping

That THIS Deaniac will not have to say "I told you so" on November 3, 2004

[Mr Blond]

32. You won't have too.

...Or at least you shouldn't no matter the outcome. Regardless if Kerry loses or not (He won't...He CAN'T), Govenor Dean would have been slaughtered. And, we would probably be looking at 60 repubs in the Senate, due to his negative coattails. Which would lead to NO chance at stoping the Idiot in Cheif's ultra-conservative court appointments.

No offense intended at all, this is just my opinon, but while I appreciate Govenor Dean's tenacity, heart and drive, he is not the answer. Not on a national ticket.

[Debi]

62. WTF...

No offense intended? None taken! With friends like you....

I wonder with Dean being such a negative, why is he still drawing crowds? Why do people (me included) still have Dean bumper stickers on their cars? Why does the DFA2 exist? Why does the Dean Dozen exist?

[Cha]

98. Speaking out and gettin Dems excited . .didn't

exactly register "negative" with me, either,Debi!

[Mr Blond]

104. Because he's popular with the base.

Pat Buchanan is popular with the puke base, but he's unelectable (And would be our DREAM candidate!!)

Like I said, no offense intended. I respect those with such passion (Both you and Dean), but I'm a realist...I know Dean isn't too popular outside the base, thus, unelectable.

[lastliberalintexas]

Yep

Just your opinion. But what you may not know, being relatively new here, is that many Deaniacs are now seeing the things Kerry supporters were warned about.

Deaniacs were told that he would be trashed because he "dodged" the draft and didn't serve in Vietnam. Many Deaniacs responded that ANY Dem nominee would be trashed on a number of issues, and that none was impervious to attack. In fact, certain Deaniacs continually pointed to Max Cleland as an example of how/why Kerry would be attacked *despite* his military service.

And yet, it was the Kerry campaign that was somehow unprepared for the Swift Boat sleazebags.

But you're right- *Dean* is the one who would have been slaughtered. :eyes:

[Nimble_Idea]

80. I disagree.

I would put Dean as VP right now!

We would still win in a landslide.

[Pastiche423]

85. This Deaniac will not say "I told you so"

I will just think it.

Thanks to madfloridian, I have been able to follow Dean's very busy schedule. And I continue to be proud of him and so very thankful for all that he is still doing for the Democratic Party.

[bbmykel]

18. Dean in San Jose on Sunday

with Nancy Pelosi and Zoe Lofgren.

I know because I am signed up to go! :-)

Mike

[wicket]

19. here!

[Snellius]

21. Dean alienated the DLC powers that be

Dean's revolt was directed as much against the DLC/Shrum/Al From crowd as against the Evil Empire. When Kerry choose to depend on the old guard, Dean was left out in the cold, but he could emerge as the Democratic winner in this contest if Shrum keeps up his usual work.

[wyldwolf]

24. I thought the voters has something to do with it

[madfloridian]

35. Well, actually, most did not get to vote for him. Primary schedule below.

Dean dropped out on Feb. 18th. You asked for this.

January 13th, 2004 District of Columbia Presidential Primary (Closed)
January 19th, 2004 Iowa Democratic Caucuses
Iowa Republican Caucuses

January 27th, 2004 New Hampshire Presidential Primary (Closed)

February 3rd, 2004 Arizona Presidential Preference Election (Closed)
Delaware Democratic Presidential Primary (Closed)
Missouri Presidential Primary (Open)
New Mexico Democratic Caucuses
North Dakota Democratic Caucuses
North Dakota Republican Caucuses
Oklahoma Presidential Primary (Closed)
South Carolina Democratic Presidential Preference Primary

February 7th, 2004 Michigan Democratic Presidential Caucuses
Washington Democratic Caucuses

February 8th, 2004 Maine Democratic Caucuses

February 10th, 2004 District of Columbia Republican Presidential Preference Caucuses
Tennessee Presidential Primary (Open)
Virginia Democratic Presidential Primary (Open)

February 14th, 2004 District of Columbia Democratic Caucuses
Nevada Democratic Caucuses

February 17th, 2004 Wisconsin Presidential Primary (Open)
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

February 24th, 2004 Hawaii Democratic Caucuses
Idaho Democratic Caucuses
Utah Democratic Presidential Primary

March 2nd, 2004 California Presidential Primary (Modified Closed)
Connecticut Presidential Primary (Closed)
Georgia Presidential Preference Primary (Open)
Maryland Presidential Primary (Closed)
Massachusetts Presidential Primary
Minnesota Democratic Caucuses

New York Presidential Primary (Closed)
Ohio Presidential Primary (Open)
Rhode Island Presidential Preference Primary
Vermont Presidential Primary (Open)

March 9th, 2004 Florida Presidential Primary (Closed)
Louisiana Presidential Preference Election
Mississippi Presidential Primary (Open)
Texas Presidential Primary (Open)

March 13th, 2004 Kansas Democratic Caucuses

March 16th, 2004 Illinois Presidential Primary (Open)

March 20th, 2004 Alaska Democratic Caucuses
Wyoming Democratic County Caucuses

March 23rd, 2004 Utah Republican Caucuses

April 13th, 2004 Colorado Democratic Caucuses
Colorado Republican Caucuses

April 27th, 2004 Pennsylvania Presidential Primary (Closed)

May 4th, 2004 Indiana Presidential Primary (Open)
North Carolina Presidential Primary (Closed)

May 8th, 2004 Wyoming Republican State Convention


May 11th, 2004 Nebraska Presidential Primary (Open)
West Virginia Presidential Primary (Closed)

May 15th, 2004 Wyoming Democratic State Caucus

May 18th, 2004 Arkansas Presidential Primary (Open)
Kentucky Presidential Primary (Closed)
Oregon Presidential Primary (Closed)

May 25th, 2004 Idaho Presidential Primary (Open)

June 1st, 2004 Alabama Presidential Primary (Open
South Dakota Presidential Primary (Closed)

June 8th, 2004 Montana Presidential Primary (Open)
New Jersey Presidential Primary

[wyldwolf]

38. ok, so...

voters in...

January 13th, 2004 District of Columbia Presidential Primary (Closed)
January 19th, 2004 Iowa Democratic Caucuses
Iowa Republican Caucuses

January 27th, 2004 New Hampshire Presidential Primary (Closed)

February 3rd, 2004 Arizona Presidential Preference Election (Closed)
Delaware Democratic Presidential Primary (Closed)
Missouri Presidential Primary (Open)
New Mexico Democratic Caucuses
North Dakota Democratic Caucuses
North Dakota Republican Caucuses
Oklahoma Presidential Primary (Closed)
South Carolina Democratic Presidential Preference Primary

February 7th, 2004 Michigan Democratic Presidential Caucuses
Washington Democratic Caucuses

February 8th, 2004 Maine Democratic Caucuses

February 10th, 2004 District of Columbia Republican Presidential Preference Caucuses
Tennessee Presidential Primary (Open)
Virginia Democratic Presidential Primary (Open)

February 14th, 2004 District of Columbia Democratic Caucuses
Nevada Democratic Caucuses

February 17th, 2004 Wisconsin Presidential Primary (Open)

... DID!

... and rejected him.

As has always been the case in politics for both parties.


Should we have changed it for Dean?

[madfloridian]

57. He had stopped actively campaigning. Yes, primaries should be changed.

Three of the largest states in population, NY, FL, and CA, did not get to vote. No way in hell that is fair.

Does this make you feel good?

[wyldwolf]

58. So you probably never noticed it until you realized Dean...

...wasn't going to win.

Then it was bad.

[madfloridian]

61. No, we were aware of it.

But then the primaries are over. Your candidate did not win either.
Could you be a bit bitter? I'm not bitter at all.

I just get tired of the same people the very very very same people who nearly broke this board apart during the primaries are still so angry toward Dean.

It is extremely sad cause he ain't going away and neither are we.

[wyldwolf]

81. Were you an activist in changing it?

Your candidate did not win either.

True. So?

Could you be a bit bitter? I'm not bitter at all.

Why would you get that impression?

I just get tired of the same people the very very very same people who nearly broke this board apart during the primaries are still so angry toward Dean.

Advice:

Hit the "ignore" feature.

No one was angry toward Dean, just his rabid followers who thought he could do no wrong.

[madfloridian]

84. Don't try to mislead me like that.

I have been at DU a long long time. I know when it happened and I know who and why.

[wyldwolf]

91. huh?

know when it happened and I know who and why.

When WHAT happenned?

[Larkspur]

45. When is Kerry going to change those Dean-Osama ads to Bush-Osama ads?

If they worked against Dean, why wouldn't they work against Bush? :shrug:

[lastliberalintexas]

78. Heaven forbid

Why would our party ever dare to criticize the Emperor?

[RetroLounge]

54. So why are you in a DEANIACs thread

So why are you in a DEANIACs thread?

RL

[realFedUp]

22. Did anyone else get surveyed lately by Pew Research?

an online survey supposedly went out to
Dean supporters....I was wondering if it
was legit or not.

[Bjornsdotter]

23. I'm here!

I still like the guy, voted for him in the Illinois primary even though Kerry had it sewn up.

Cheers,
Kim :toast:

[mzmolly]

26. Dean's around he's not getting much press is all.

:hi:

[madfloridian]

29. Yes, he is. Cheney and Bush slam him daily.

They go after Kerry for taking up his Iraq position. Today is the worst, Cheney is practically calling him evil.
:hi:

[Debi]

69. did you ever get the feeling..

that the GOP may use the Dean vs. Kerry battle to tear Dems apart...just like is happening right now?

[madfloridian]

71. I think they will try, so it might not be so bad.

Dean spoke the truth about Iraq. It might force our Democrats to stand up and call it a lite as well.

We should never apologize for telling the truth.

[janx]

99. What Dean versus Kerry battle?

Dean has been working like mad to help Kerry since Kerry took the lead in the primaries.

The only "Dean versus Kerry" battle is some kind of twisted continuation of some primary arguments posted by a very vocal few on this board, as far as I can see.

;-)

[Larkspur]

27. I'm here, voted for him in CT's Primary, and eagerly await the post-Nov 2

campaign to rebuild the Dem Party from the grassroots up and weaken the DLC hold on the Party machine.

I have no passion for Kerry or his campaign and have turned my energies and $ to help retake my district's US Congressional seat from the Repukes.

[fudge stripe cookays]

28. He changed my life.

I love the man, support him wholeheartedly.

Voted him for him in our Texas primary, even though Kerry was presumptive, and had been for some time. We missed getting a delegate from our precinct by only 1 or 2 people.

In Rockwall County, this blew quite a few people away. They'd NEVER seen this many Democrats at the precinct caucus before.

FSC,
2 Time Texas Ranger for Dean

[LuminousX]

30. Yeeee-aaaahhh!

Deaniac reporting in.

[mitchum]

34. It appears that many are here supporting the Democratic candidate...

(just as Dr Dean is) And they are GREATLY appreciated (and this is coming from someone who was quite vicious during the lead up and primaries)

[RubyDuby in GA]

36. I'm sitting at my deck at work

Where are you?

[hansolsen]

40. I'm one who supported Dean in the primaries and still wish Kerry would

take some fo the Dean message and Dean passion on Iraq into the debates.

I still see Kerry sitting on the fence over Iraq, climbing down once in a while to bite bush on the leg, and then running like hell and climbing back up on the fence so Bush can't bite back.

I want Kerry to get down off the fence, come out against the fucking war, stay against the fucking war, and face Bush over that issue face to face, man to man.

That what Dean would have done. And even if Dean lost the entire Dem Party could hold its head high and go on. We can't do that now. If this campaign ended today, I would say John Kerry never represented my views on Iraq in this election, and never offered any real alternatives.

Real alternatives involve addressing the fundamental root causes of terrorism. when has Kerry talked about that, I ask??

Damn American politics, circa 2004. It's a cluster fuck.

[Snivi Yllom]

44. still here and kicking

and still think we had the best candidate

[madfloridian]

50. He is writing a weekly column as well.

http://www.yubanet.com/artman/publish/article_13319.shtml

Howard Dean: An Expiration Date On Safety

Author: Howard Dean

On Monday, Sept.13, the law banning the manufacture of semiautomatic assault weapons for private sale in the United States expired.

Before you read further I should tell you that my father was an avid hunter. I grew up with guns in the house, and although I do not hunt, I own an over-and-under shotgun. While running for office in Vermont, I won eight straight elections with the endorsement of the National Rifle Association. As Governor, I conserved hundreds of thousands of acres of habitat by partnering with the NRA to fight off the right-wing property rights advocates who opposed government land acquisition. I believed Vermont's outdoors should be the way it has been for generations, and now it will be."

SNIP..."Where I come from, chief executives are supposed to lead. Where I come from, when the chief says he supports something and his party controls the House and the Senate, what the chief really wants, he gets.

I would have more respect for President Bush if he had come out and said "I changed my mind, and I'm not supporting the reauthorization of the assault weapons ban." But, he did not do that. America needs a president with the real courage to say what he believes - no matter what the latest poll numbers show...."

[demokatgurrl]

51. I'll be seeing him Saturday!

He's appearing at a fundraiser for Dem congrssional candidates, with Ann Richards and Nancy Pelosi.
I'll say HI for ya.

[Seabiscuit]

55. I'm still here and

donating to/voting for Kerry/Edwards.

I don't like your subsequent questions. Dean has been campaigning hard for Kerry/Edwards as well as maintaining his new website devoted to getting fresh blood into the political process and into political office, and he's been quite successful at it so far.

[mahina]

60. Still here, still fighting

for reconciliation...
Howard Dean's organization is supporting lots of local races, understanding it's up to all of us to take America back from the corporate interests.
Howard Dean spoke at our primary here and plead for unity, for support of John Kerry. I hope all good democrats understand. It's not as if we don't have enough to do, we have to start picking on each other. Focus, people!
86W!

[RevolutionStartsNow]

63. Still here, and grateful to Dean

I might not feel so empowered to get active if it weren't for Dean.

[NYCGirl]

72. Present and accounted for!

What a great group, with a notable exception.

[madfloridian]

76. Here is his schedule for earlier in September.

AUGUST 29, 2004
HOWARD DEAN ON LATE EDITION WITH WOLF BLITZER at 1:15 pm EDT
(This is when he called Wolf a Republican)


SEPTEMBER 1, 2004
Howard Dean on Air America, Randi Rhodes Show

SEPTEMBER 2, 2004
The Closing Bell on CNBC----4:10 PM EDT

SEPTEMBER 3, 2004

:::::: HBO BILL MAHER :::::::
:::: WITH HOWARD DEAN ::::
::::::::: NEXT FRIDAY ::::::::

[Nimble_Idea]

87. I saw dean on Bill Maher on the 3rd

He was great, made a couple jokes. Of course Maher, in line with the pity party parade, asked Dean about the weak Dems and the weak polls. I forgot what Dean said about it.

[Cha]

86. Hey, Nimble...aren't you paying

attention to madflorian's threads about what Dean has been up to, lately? She always keeps us informed of where Dean is going to speak and what pundit head show he's on and where is the latest place he's signing his book that just came out.."Winning Back America"!

Think we can do it?

[janx]

89. Right here! Dean has been campaigning for Kerry and

pushing Democracy for America--working at least six days a week. He's all over the map!

:hi:

I post here sometimes for hours but am gone for weeks because I have a lot of work to do these days.

Why do you ask?

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

90. I'm right here

whatchoo want?

:hi:

Deaniac for Life, totally supporting and voting for Kerry in November!

[WillyT]

93. Yo !!!

Wassup?

:kick:

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

94. wyldwolf et al

who the hell is running for office right now?

Why are people dicking around about this?

We've got an election in 48 days!!!

I am a Deaniac, always will be, but I'm really kind of way too focused on getting Kerry into office to really give a shit about this petty crap.

Come on.

[redsoxliberal]

103. Representin!

[Ramsey]

107. Here!

This Deaniac is working for John Kerry, Allyson Schwartz, Lois Murphy, EMILY's List, MoveOn and today I got a call from the League of Conservation Voters, so maybe I'll be helping them out as well.

Dean is in town this weekend for a big fundraiser, a group called Campaign for a New Majority, given by some bigtime local Deaniacs. So any Philly area Dean fans who want to see their guy, PM me!

[dkf]

109. Still participating with the Dem party

but my duties have become a chore without Gov. Dean to rev me up and make me feel like I am working for something, not just against Bush.

[DinahMoeHum]

111. Try his website Democracy for America

at www.democracyforamerica.com

They've got several "Dean Dozen" candidates in local races they've endorsed. Click on "candidates" for more info.

Lots of ways to get involved there. I think they're plotting a takeover of the DNC-DLC cabal no matter what happens in November.
And I'm all for it.

:kick: