Tony Coelho says we need a "Karl Rove" - any nominations?

[Southsideirish]

I nominate my husband - a lifelong Democrat, a brilliant strategist and he is rarely ever wrong in his judgments. Only flaw is that of being a lifelong insane die hard Cub fan.

[mhr]

1. I'll Volunteer - The Only Good Republican Is A Dead Republican

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[ibegurpard]

2. Tony Coelho needs a one-way ticket to political Antarctica

It's one thing to be talking about dissatisfaction with a campaign internally and have rumors surface...it's quite another to go blab to an openly hostile press. I hope this shit never gets another job.

[Southsideirish]

13. I was embarrassed that he spoke openly, too, but I do wish we

had ONE master strategist - not a bunch of them or some representing the Kennedy wing and some representing the Kerry faction but just ONE f*cking brilliant one that would call all the f*cking shots.

[Zorbet55]

20. Good Call Southside

That's what Cuelho is saying, basically. Stop the infighting and get cracking on beating Bush. Mistakes were made, but they don't need to be repeated. Come together and start whacking the punks, rove and bush/cheney.:argh:

[iwantmycountryback]

3. Um no

I don't think we have people capable of going to a level BELOW hell.

[bigtree]

4. Tony Coelho

as Rove, who I deeply respect. :eyes:

But not for our campaign. He's effectively working for Bush now.

[robbedvoter]

7. Dang! I was going to post that! This guy attacked Gore as of Dec 2000

[Zorbet55]

5. Cuelho believes there's turmoil

You sure have to agree with many of his points. Bob Shrum has a losing record and the dog days of August were extremely disappointing with missed opportunities. Keeping Kerry muzzled while the Swift Liars attacked was inane. Shrum needs to leave the campaign and let our counter-attack begin before another day passes.

[Guaranteed]

6. I really don't see Howard Dean as a strategist, but I gotta say

he was thinking very long term in positioning himself for this election. People oughta be asking him a whole lot more about what we should be doing.

[Southsideirish]

14. Absolutely - but would they have the courage to follow his advice?

[Guaranteed]

24. Exactly- ultimately this is about whether or not the Dems

have the courage to do what they need to do. It's not about Dean. It's about the Democratic Party as a whole, and who constitutes it.

No matter- if they don't, they'll "die out" and someone else, hopefully with the right approach to things, will take over.

Of course, I'll probably be in Canada or Europe by then, and, hell, the U.S. might not even exist anymore.

[Catherine Vincent]

8. As far as looks, how about Fat Bastard?

[knight_of_the_star]

9. Carville

In spite of who his wife is, the man gets results and he pulls no punches while doing it.

[dennis4868]

10. die hard Cub fan?

ouch...that could be a problem....

[Southsideirish]

16. Hey, they won tonight - although it was another toenail biter....

[dennis4868]

17. When they win in October.....

then it will be a story!

[Gold Metal Flake]

11. Just destroy the real one and be done with it.

Simple.

[Julien Sorel]

12. Karl Rove is overrated.

What gives him his power is access to an entire attack machine, a public which is becoming more conservative, so he is always operating with a wind at his back, and the fact that Republicans are more disciplined than Democrats are.

What Democrats need is a small but dedicated group of people who are devoted, year round, to making sure a consistent, clear Democratic voice is out there, and that Democrats are focusing on the big picture. Rove gets to do this as a matter of course from his access to the Bush family machine; the only Democrat I can think of who is similarly situated is Bill Clinton, and he's had his hands full with book writing and speech making and his wife, plus I don't think he's tempermentally suited to being a strategist.

We need a Karl Rove-like person or group, but this building Rove up to being some kind of genius, or some kind of Rasputin, is silly and counterproductive.

[RevCheesehead]

23. BINGO!

Rove is not the genius he's made out to be. It's Murdock and Roger Ailes who laid the groundwork.

1. First, buy the media.
2. Secure NFL for FOX.
3. Get all the players in place
4. Set up an election fraud and declare a winner

EVERYTHING ELSE stems from the above.

News is no longer news, but a commercial enterprise.
Ratings matter more than accuracy
Campaigns are reduced to repetitive sound-bytes and excessive spin
Americans are stupid, stupid people who believe anything they see on TV or hear on the radio.

[JI7]

15. is Coelho talking about himself ?

trying to find a way to get the campaign to hire him ? that's what it seems like to me.

[grasswire]

18. I hate to be the bearer of bad news...

...but in the year 2000, a friend of mine in Washington D.C. who has an incomparable track record as an investigative journalist (nine books, some NYT bestsellers) and is a name most of you would know and revere for a particular task tried to set up an opposition research group to go after the Republican attack machine.

He had his plans, he needed funding. He could not get funding from Dems who have money. The need was recognized, but nobody wanted to be known to be funding oppo research.

Then another entity tried to develop such a project. He was a bigwig in House staff. He was sent to talk to Hollywood rainmakers. Again, everyone was scared. No money came.

Rob Reiner even talked of developing this kind of entity. He backed off about the time that Rove went out to talk to Hollywood.

If ONLY someone had been bold enough to fund oppo research four or five years ago, we'd be in the catbird seat now.

[Must_B_Free]

19. Absolutely not

we don't need to stoop to their level. Once we become them we have defeated ourselves.

What we need is a brilliant strategist who can embrace and further progressive values, not compromise and destroy them.

[Carla in Ca]

21. What is your husband's judgement on this election?

n/t

[EST]

22. I don't think you have to worry about that.

By the looks of it, we already have one.
Whoever engineered this Douche take-down, in concert with CBS and an 86 year old ex-secretary from Texas, has got to be the smoothest operator I've ever seen.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

25. I nominate Karl Rove...

...to be our Karl Rove.

[dave123williams]

26. Joe Kennedy, Jr.

Heart and soul.

[JSJ]

27. mickey kantor- brought clinton's campaign back from brink nt

[Seabiscuit]

28. Bobwa Bush?

Just kidding.

We don't need or want a Karl Rove.

What an evil thought....

[DeepModem Mom]

29. Satan only created one Karl Rove -- and it's not in us...

to operate completely outside the bounds of American political norms, and, so often, outside the law.

[liberal N proud]

30. McClellan - from the Clinton campaign

I do believe he is joing up with Kerry.
He was Press Secretary for Clinton.

[unfrigginreal]

31. Scumbag Torricelli

they don't come much worse, er, better.