What Makes ANYONE Think Kerry Will Get Other Nations into Iraq?

[Placebo]

Now we all know bush isn't going to because its not his goal in the first place.

But what will Kerry say to any country to make them want to send their soldiers into harms way?

I tell you what, I'd be overjoyed that bush was gone if I were president of france or germany, but a kerry presidency wouldn't make me suddenly want to ship my citizens off to die in an illegal unjust war that's only getting worse every day.

So what is Kerry going to do that could possibly get anyone else into Iraq? I don't get it.

[T Roosevelt]

1. He'll just dangle the Halliburton contracts in front of them

because they, along with all the other corrupt companies, would be OUT...

[Jeff in Cincinnati]

2. 'nuff said...

[Mr_Spock]

You said it all - remove the "disincentives" that ass-hole Bush

put in place. They'll come because they WANT to - they just HATE Bush like the rest of us.

[xray s]

3. because if the world doesn't help us fix this mess the world will suffer

Right now they don't trust Bush because Bush is reckless.

I think everyone on this planet has a stake in Iraq right now. That should be obvious.

[Fabio]

4. Here's two big reasons:

1. The EU countries don't need a failed Iraq on their doorstep. It's more in their interest (in terms of proximity) than ours.

2. Do you remember the Wolfowitz policy memo leaked in March that said countries not part of the coalition could not bid on reconstruction contracts? That was the stupidest policy I have ever heard and JK would reverse it.

To get larger interests involved in the reconstruction/security, we need to give them financial incentive. Do you think France and Germany are more or less likely to send troops if they have $3 billion in direct investments on the ground (versus 0 now).

Memo linked here:
http://japan.usembassy.gov/e/p/tp-20031211-04.html

edit:typo

[Shuck and Jive]

5. And why would they pick up the tab $$$$ ?

Would you invest in this? HELL NO
Why would the French, Germans, etc.

Makes no sense.


Kerry must be clear, precise and have a cogent outline on Iraq. The I'll wait until January 20th to see the situation really comes across as political rather than presidential.

VISION, Strategic thinking are needed in these interviews.

Kerry doubts the validity of democratic elections in January. Fine. Is he in favor of such elections and as President when would he suggest they be held? How would he insure their integrity?

These are the followup questions he will hit in the debates... Better get ready NOW

[Ruffhowse]

6. He will offer them sweetheart deals on the Iraqi oil, instead of just oil

companies that are friends or part of Bushco.

[Killarney]

7. MONEY

I don't know why anyone thinks the governments of France, Germany, etc are above the mighty ruler of all---money. They don't care about sending their soldiers into harms way any more than our government does. History has told this. What it comes down to isn't their soldiers but what's in it for THEM---the government and it's rulers and ruling class. If there's something in it for them, they will do it. If there isn't, they won't.

They will do it for the money.

Kerry will share and play nice, whereas Bush wanted to bully and keep the spoils.

[Spazito]

8. Once bush is gone, other countries will be looking to see what...

changes Kerry will make re foreign policy and bringing back multilateralism as part of that policy. It is in the best interests to re-stabilize the Middle East, especially for those countries within it.

You can be guaranteed that NO country is going to help while bush is in office. They know they would be screwed by him.

As Colin Powell said "You break it, you own it". bush broke it and as long as he is in office, he and he alone, owns it.

[Julien Sorel]

9. It's rather obvious.

He could credibly threaten to withdraw. Bush can't. It gives Kerry a bargaining chip. Of course, the fact that he's not Bush also helps. Even though the threat would largely be a bluff, he doesn't have the personal involvement in this, the years of tough guy rhetoric, that Bush has, plus, hey, he comes from the wimp party, what does anyone expect?

[John_H]

10. You need to get out of the house more.

Ot at least read some stuff that will allow you to get the pulse of public opinion in "Old Europe." First, Kerry will be smart enough to make some minor concessions on other areas that Chimp refuses to make, not because they will harm america, but because one or two of his corporate buddies don't like them. These include things from small trade issues on which single companied have bought American beligerance to Kyoto.

Second: European public animous is not really against America as much as it is against bush--my guess is that eurpoean public opinion will improve on Nov 3 if Kerry wins, allowing european leaders much wiggle room on Iraq.

Let's face it, we love to defend Russia and France because they hate Chimp but they're just as greddy as anyone else. Kerry will kill two birds with one stone. He'll fuck Halliburton and bribe the europeans at the same time. The PR bit wil be easy. :Halliburton is cheating the taxpayers" and "what's more important, money to dick cheney or saving american lives?"

[vetwife]

11. He ain't Bush....The rest of the world does not trust the Shrub !

[johncoby2]

12. One thing is for sure: Bush hasn't and can't do it.

Kerry is the ONLY candidate that can normalize our international relations. Bush has been a total complete failure in this area. The only time he was good at international diplomacy was with the help of bin laden.

Don't expect our relations to improve with the current idiot in charge.

[geek tragedy]

13. Simple:

The Atlantic alliance foundered because of Bush.

America throws out Bush and elects Kerry, who promises to try to restore the Atlantic Alliance and talks about how wrong we were to disregard the wise advice of our allies. (Never underestimate the ego of national leaders)

Kerry then reaches out on matters like Kyoto, the International Criminal Court, etc. He also then asks Europe to play a role in both crafting and implementing policy in Iraq.

If Europe says yes, rift healed, alliance restored.

Europe tells Kerry no--alliance is permanently screwed and they're accountable for it. They don't want that.

[seabeyond]

14. tell all to stop, get all the parties together

the ones in iraq, then middle east adn then bring in rest of the world. new president new policy. stop the self interest. halliburtons and others. and give the job to the iraqi people. alow middle east to play a role in helping nation out,. allow the other countries a competitive in bring in companies. well trust other countries companies more than ours, true or not

start over.

we had a year grace from iraq before the insugence. they are not all terrorist like bush would like for all to believe. they waited for the u.s. to do what was promised, but they went in there with companies, and tok over the country. thought we would boost our economy, not iraq. thought we would make our people rich, not iraq. it was morally all wrong. the iraqi's saw this hence the fighting.

we have to give them their nation without ties

and you do it with a threat. you see this is the last option, we are willing to lose all this, willing to cut the losses of our moneys, adn figure in the long run will be saving money for not being there a decade fighting. but this is it. either we fix this or we go

the whole world doesnt want us to go before it is fixed

[HysteryDiagnosis]

15. they went in there with companies, and tok over the country

That says it all.

We have the same thing going on in reverse here.... the repugs took over the country, (with a coup) and then sent companies out of the country.

Amazing... is it not?