Are you voting because you like JK or hate GWB?

[b06jgm]

I'm just venting here which is what DU is all about I suppose. I know 99% of the crap out there isn't true that the pukes are posting on Kerry; however, I am just not impressed with how Kerry is handling it. This is why I've been a Dean supporter from the beginning. Dean tended to back up his critics quite well. All Kerry does is say "Yeah, well, shut up I was in Vietnam". Even this lifelong Dem is getting tired of Vietnam and I wasn't even born when it happened!!!

[2Design]

1. Voting for the Dream Team is the best thing we can do for humanity

if you are stil a ABB then do some more research on the other guys

[greenohio]

43. I did

and the more I learn, the more I am just ABB

[2Design]

45. too bad - you need to work harder -

we have the two best guys to be running right now. They care about people, their families care about people and they work well together.

once you get to that point then your research assignment is done - until then keep working

[greenohio]

48. What was your clincher?

Which of Kerry's plans are you most excited about?

[2Design]

51. he is for people

[JohnKleeb]

81. make that a little more specific

He wants everyone to have the oppertunity to go to college.

[2Design]

83. Kerry likes People - He is not afraid of them - He wants to help them

Bush is afraid of people and his own shadow - he is afraid to talk to ordinary people - Bush screens who he talks to and what they can say

[2Design]

77. Bush hates and fear people - just like himself

he hates and fears the truth about himself

[tjdee]

2. Hate Bush.

I didn't support Kerry in the primaries largely because of the problems which have emerged.

But--I do think he's a smart guy and would be a good president, and I am hoping that he is indeed "the best closer in the business". I am hoping that the Kerry folks are right. I'm hopeful because of Iowa, and how Kerry pulled all that off.

But firstly, I'm voting for Kerry because Bush is a scary disaster.

[shrub chipper]

3. What is the purpose of your thread?

The final result in either instance is to get the illegally selected Moron out of the WhiteHouse.
If you are interested in that result, this type of thread is surely not productive and I , for one, am tired of seeing them on this forum.

[b06jgm]

5. Note where I said "I am venting"*

nm

[shrub chipper]

11. Venting or not, there are far too many threads like these

and they do not help in the main objective.

We have to get rid of Bush-Cheney.

[Cobalt Violet]

4. There are a lot of things that happened before you were born.

Anyway before I go off on a tangent, I am voting because I always vote in every election. It is my civic duty. Use it or lose it.

[murielm99]

6. I am voting for Kerry because he won the primaries, and

because he is the best pick of the field.

Dean did not win. Kerry did.

Please go to Kerry's website and look at his background and his positions.

Kerry is not yelling about Viet Nam -- his detractors are doing that. Have you been following the Kerry campaign at all lately? He is hitting * quite hard on the issues.

More people would have voted for Dean if they thought he was the best candidate. We fought all these fights here during the primaries, and it is done. It is time to support the nominee.

[Cheswick2.0]

35. People wanted to vote for Dean and voted for Kerry because he was

"electable"... we shall see.

[unfrigginreal]

38. If you really believe that the OP is a Dean supporter...

then I've got a bridge to sell you.

[kerryistheanswer]

7. JK Supporter All the Way

I totally disagree with you. John Kerry has stood up to his critics by talking about the issues. He's done that since he announced his candidacy last September. Does he bring up his Vietnam service? Sure he does, but when he is asked questions on national security, terror, and war - that is a powerful point to make. Serving matters during time of war - you realize just how awful it is by actually seeing it up close.

I will refrain from bashing Dean but will say this. I don't think Dean could would be able to take the attacks from the right as well as JK. You need to remember, people prefer level-headedness to somebody who gets angry and seems a bit unstable. Even Bush tends to handle critics quite well - he lets other psychos do the attacking for him.

You also need to remember that JK wants to elevate our political discussion. Its become far too combative in tone without combative in discussions of real issues. JK understands issues facing our country and can deliver his views quite eloquently. Lets wait till the debates - if you're not sold then, then you may have a legit point.

[mimitabby]

8. voting because i am afraid for my country

I hate the smirking chimp, but I think John Kerry is fine presidential material.

[babylonsister]

30. I second that emotion!

[MsTryska]

9. Because I like Kerry of course. and to be honest...

I would have voted for any democrat on offer, because i hate bush.

actually if it was lieberman, than no - i would have had to vote for badnarik or some other 3rd party candidate.

But i'm thrilled to bits that it's Kerry and even more so that it's Kerry/Edwards. exactly the ticket i wished for prior to Iowa.

[Lefta Dissenter]

10. perhaps you need to do a little reading

All Kerry does is say "Yeah, well, shut up I was in Vietnam".

Try going to www.johnkerry.com - you'll find that he has a hell of a lot more to say than that.

(and I don't know ONE TRUE DEANIAC who isn't working his or her butt off to get Kerry into the White House, by the way...)

[PeaceProgProsp]

12. Because Democrats have better ideas.

[Czolgosz]

13. It's not an either-or proposition

[Irishladdie]

14. BOTH!!

[cthrumatrix]

46. BINGO

[freetobegay]

15. Both. N/T

[nedlogg]

16. I'm not a Kerry fan . . .

but anyone's better than Bush.

[TriMetFan]

17. I'm voting for Kerry cause I really do like him.

[efhmc]

18. Both, actually but why does it matter?

[gollygee]

19. both. n/t

[molly]

20. BOTH!

[Florida_Geek]

21. Does it really matter nt

[Kahuna]

22. Oh brother.

:eyes:

[unfrigginreal]

23. Yeah, right

I wish we'd see a new MO. This one is really getting old.

[slappypan]

24. Oh boy, sleep! That's when I'm a viking!

[Hepburn]

25. Both!

I cannot tolerate Bush, but I am voting for Kerry more than I am voting against Bush.

[Tim_in_HK]

26. Why are they mutually exclusive? n/t

[liberal N proud]

27. BOTH!

I like John Kerry's message and I hate what shrub has done to this country.
Clinton had this country turned in a good direction, not all the way there but it was moving that way.
It only took shrub and co a few months to destroy any values this country had.
He has to GO!
Even if Kerry was not the candidatate (and I am glad he is) I would vote for any body but bush

[mairceridwen]

28. used to be ABB, trying to be optimistic

I don't like Kerry that much but mostly because I have more radical ideas than the democratic party. But I don't trash him either. Constructive critical discussions are good, but the election should be the focus.

I have never seen this as the lesser of two evils because frankly, W. IS EVIL. I mean really EVIL. And Kerry is not.

I try remember that you aren't just voting for Kerry, but for a new administration, which he will choose and which will also, for better or worse, be shaped by a lot of thing. I can't get into speculation right now. Suffice to say, I don't expect him to be radical, butI trust Kerry to be responsible in this regard even if I don't always care for his approach to things. I mean, how different would things have been if the likes of Ashcroft and Rumsfeld and the rest had been REAL conservatives (though I'm not sure there are any...but just for the sake of conversation). Personally, I wouldn't have been happy, but I would also not be TERRIFIED right now.


Also, when I think about Kerry's potential...no matter how optimistic and idealistic I am, he will be so bogged down with W's mess and a republican senate that it will be a while before anything remotely progressive can be *fully* be implemented.

[SheepyMcSheepster]

29. Both!

[Ganja Ninja]

31. I'm voting for America's future!

I hate Bush too so that automatically makes John Kerry my man. There may be be a Democrat that's better out there somewhere but there is no one worse than Bush.

[DeepModem Mom]

32. Doesn't matter, nor does your other thread about the "hotness"...

of Mr. Bush's young brunette daughter --

[sandnsea]

40. Thank you

Speaks volumes. Tough for every person to track every thread. We need to do more of this, separate the wheat from the chaff and all of that.

[Cheswick2.0]

33. Dean supporter here....voting against Bush

However I am not sure if we need another thread about this topic.

[rndmprsn]

34. BOTH

[Demi_Babe]

36. BOTH

[Cocoa]

37. hate Bush, no contest

Kerry hasn't been president yet, Bush has sucked for four years.

[TheDebbieDee]

39. Honestly, It's because I hate GWB!

[sandnsea]

41. JK is an amazing human being

I've been waiting for him to run for the Presidency for years now. He's led the way on every fight of my generation. He's got great instincts and will be an outstanding President. Any Democrat who doesn't want to see it has their head up their ass. And any leftie who doesn't see it needs to try to stand back and be a bit more objective. The only reason there's a left voice in this country is because of people like John Kerry.

[soleft]

42. There were two moments during primary debates where Kerry grew on me

One was when he said he wouldn't have taken Pedro out of the game vs. the Yankees, the second was the debate where the candidates took off their jackets and answered questions from the audience. There was something relaxed and sure footed about Kerry that made me think - Kerry's pretty good, too bad he's running so far behind Dean.

And then he proved he he's a closer - so I am voting for Kerry.

[johncoby2]

44. Yes

[Toucano]

47. When you see Rush, tell him

I said he's full of crap, drugs, and bile.

People LOVE John Kerry. He is the ideal individual to be steering the ship of state during these troubled times.

John Kerry Lover - that's me, baby!

[TexasUnderground]

49. I hate Bush.

I really wish Dean had won.
Barring that, Lieberman.

Both of them stand on their principals, even if I don't agree with them on everything.

I'm not sure Kerry has principals to stand on.

But, at least he's not Bush.

[shrub chipper]

67. Your first two choices were Dean

or Lieberman????

Oh, I understand...you don't care about what the prinipLEs are, just that they stick to them!!

[TexasUnderground]

71. What do you have against Dean?

EOM.

[shrub chipper]

73. Not a thing...I really like him and would gladly have voted for him.

However, his position is diametrically opposed to your second choice, Lieberman.

(How old are you?)

[TexasUnderground]

76. 22.

Their positions on Iraq were diametrically opposed. I don't like Lieberman's position on Iraq or Dean's position on guns. No candidate is perfect.

[terrya]

50. Both reasons.

I loathe and despise George W. Bush and his cabal with every fiber of my being.

But I also like JFK. He will be a good President.

[blm]

52. I LOVE KERRY AND AM THRILLED TO VOTE FOR HIM.

I think only people who don't have a strong background in recent history are the ones doing most of the complaining. Most of us know how Kerry operates and can stick the shiv in where it will hurt most.

Most of us have been waiting many years to cast a vote for the man who investigated and exposed more government corruption than ANY lawmaker in modern history.

If you can't get excited about that, it's your problem.

[cheshire]

53. I vote because it's my desire and responsability, Kerry speaks 4 me.

[bobbyboucher]

54. Are you carrying Republican water?

This is a Repube talking point, shove it.

[karlrschneider]

55. ABB......EOM

..

[sleipnir]

56. I'm voting to get Bush out of office, but I'll give Kerry chance.

I'm quite rooted in my dislike of Kerry, but everyone deserves a chance and that's what I'll give him. So far, so good, he might get my seal of approval (whatever it's worth) and, who knows, I might actually wear a Kerry/Edwards button before it's all over.

Though, as Pres, Kerry is going to have to continue to convince me not to work to replace him in 2008. He might do it, he might not, only time will tell.

[faithfulcitizen]

57. HATE BUSH

[AuntPatsy]

58. Lol if you believe that ninety nine percent of the media

is just plain bs than why this question about Kerry? Google.....KERRY to find his site and so the next time you start a post it will not be for the benefit of making Kerry and his supporters look like the very real puppets that Bush and friends are......

And for someone who claims to be a lifelong democrat you are surely taking a very late role in searching out information that is nothing but media bushaholic spinning from the media and has been for well over four years now?


Where ya been?

[AuntPatsy]

59. Can we lock this thread now? It is a spin of the rws tactic of saying

Kerry is not worthy enough to beat bush on his own merits...an old one at that?

[truthspeaker]

60. Both, but especially hatred of Bush

I always vote in presidential elections, and so far I've always voted Democrat, so it's not like Bush or Kerry in particular is motivating my vote. But I care more this year, because Bush is such an incompetent, stupid, evil little man.

[Mortos]

61. I don't like the tone of this guy's posts

or the other ones I can find. He is, in my opinion, not here for the right reasons. I have alerted the moderator.

[A_Possum]

62. Love Kerry, hate Bush

I supported Graham in the primaries, didn't know much about Kerry. But I really have been impressed with him the more I've found out.

I never liked Dean. He put me off from the start. However, he also has impressed me with his actions since the primary.

So overall, I have to say I'm extremely pleased.

It's possible there will be some October surprise and it'lll be stolen from us, but outside of that, I think we're in the catbird seat. Even better, the Pugs don't know it yet.

[ieoeja]

63. Neither

I am the last American who actually votes based on policy. I would rather elect a competent asshole than a bumbling idiot who was the kindest person in the world.

[wyldwolf]

64. This question was useless the first 10 times someone asked it on DU

[JI7]

65. i wasn't born until after the Vietnam War but as a Democrat

I think it's important to know about things that happened even before i was born. of course i doubt you are a democrat considering the tone of your post and the claims you make which aren't true. kerry mostly talks about current issues. he does not bring up vietnam when people criticize him other than when it's chickenhawks who attack him for not defending the country.

[redstateblues]

66. I'm Having the Combo Platter

[chiburb]

68. A DU rule proposal...

You may not start a thread if you fail to respond to anything posted in response.
Makes you question the intent of the thread, eh?

[slackmaster]

69. Anybody But Bush

Well, I might vote for Bush over Saddam Hussein, but that's about all the Slack I'll give him.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

70. Perhaps because you weren't even born you should care

50,000 young guys that would have rather been doing anything else died in an unwinnable war that hawks kep saying we were winning. They graduated high school and were drafted....hundreds of thousands more came home disabled and many lost their minds dealing with post traumatice stress...I know maybe we should get back to more important things like how one will afford more TV's...but our foreign policy is being run by a bull in a China shop who never bothered to serve and in fact probably devoted less time in his life to public service (ACTUAL PUBLIC SERVICE WHERE ONE DOES NOT PROFIT OFF THEIR RULEMAKING CAPABILITIES) than any American president ever.

[JohnKleeb]

75. NSMA I wasnt born either and I want to tell you that I do care

I am somewhat of a history whiz and even I truly don't understand why Vietnam was so wrong, and if I dont, I doubt most people do, hey I am not being arrogant here, its just I am a history specialist and I know most people my age dont know why Vietnam was a mistake, I think Kerry is right on to discuss it, "Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it." I would be voting for Kerry, he's just such an extrodinary guy, I love the more I learn.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

72. Are you coming back?

Or is this a post-n-run?

[Zhade]

74. Hate b*sh, wary of Kerry.

At this point, there's nothing I can do except hope b*sh gets tossed (and prosecuted - am I dreaming?) and that Kerry listens to us once he's in office.

Until he IS in office, I can hardly tell how he'll govern, but I doubt it can surpass b*sh in terms of sheer cruelty.

If Kerry does continue the war, or shore up American corporate imperialism, I'll certainly make myself heard then.

[Kitsune]

78. Because I hate B*sh

Kerry just doesn't do it for me.

[Radical Liberal]

79. Because I hate Bu$h

I'm voting becuase I hate the way "W" is leading our nation. John Kerry will provide better leadership in one year than that monkey has had in 4.

[stryker18]

80. Listen a bit more closely to Kerry's message...

The talking heads SAY he's making it all about Vietnam, but that's merely a cover for the fact that he's now attacking the Shrub on contemporary issues.

[Lindacooks]

82. Both.

And Kerry is handling things quite well - the media just isn't covering it, or spews the right wing lies from KKKarl. Go to his site and look at his stances on the issues. DO NOT get your information from the main stream media - they are spinning madly for Bush*.

http://www.johnkerry.com/index.html

[Bridget Burke]

84. Both.

During the Democratic convention, some bozo newsman asked a Florida delegate whether she was FOR Kerry or AGAINST Bush. She answered "Both". He kept badgering her. She (young & cute) just kept smiling & saying "Both".

This from a "lifelong Dem" who wants to focus on the issues but is not tired of Vietnam. And I remember it well; not personally, simply because they weren't drafting women.

[Spirochete]

85. Hate Bush

I like Kerry all right, but I'd vote for the proverbial ham sandwich over Bush.

[Javaman]

86. Both!!