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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 12:25 PM
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33 percent of voters are evangelical Christians?!?!?
Richard Land of the 16 million-member Southern Baptist Convention said that in 1960, 22 percent of voters were evangelical Christians. He said the number was now about 33 percent.

Where the heck did that stat come from?! (Sounds "faith-based" to me.)
But there's more:

Under federal law, churches risk losing their tax-exempt status if clergy endorse a particular political candidate from the pulpit. Republican leaders in the House of Representatives are pushing legislation to remove that limitation before Congress adjourns, possibly by attaching it to another measure.

Christian Coalition President Roberta Combs said she believed conservative Christian turnout this year would exceed that of 2000 because voters knew and admired Bush after four years in the White House.

Bush has often spoken about how his religious conversion allowed him to put his life in order and give up alcohol.


(Or so they believe.) I don't even understand what they consider "Christian" about greed, lies, pandering, phoniness, thievery, and killing.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=615&ncid=696&e=1&u=/nm/20040915/pl_nm/campaign_christians_dc
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 12:27 PM
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1. Nice number.
Mr. Land, how many of them are black?
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 12:30 PM
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2. This evangelical christian is voting for christian values - Kerry/Edwards
nt
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classof56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 01:11 PM
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11. Hey, good to hear from you!
I'm about ready to give up on many of my fellow "evangelical Christians" and their insistence that Bush is a man of faith who wins their support because he "prays to Jesus every morning" and says the Bible is his favorite book. Nice to know there are those among us who see what Bush really is. As Jesus said to the Pharisees, "Wisdom is proved right by her actions".

Amen and BUSH MUST GO!!
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 01:35 PM
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14. christian for kerry right here! count me in all day every day
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 12:30 PM
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3. My, that IS scary
I don't see why they can't pay taxes if they want to jump into the ring. The whole thing really stinks, using religion to get the sheeple to vote a certain way...:puke:
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shockingelk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 12:54 PM
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7. You're scared Kerry will lose the bible belt?
Oh my! :)
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 12:38 PM
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4. Actually it's 33.4%
That leaves the remaining 66.6% of us....
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 12:48 PM
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5. Can "High-Road" Kerry Put forward a program that APPEALS to this group.
May as well, it he is unwilling to play Bush's dirty games.
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shockingelk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 12:53 PM
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6. It's only the S. Baptist type that support Jr
There's an interesting few pages in this month's Atlantic.

No pattern can be observed between frequency of church attendance and party identification, although the more a person attends worship services, the more likely that person is to vote.

Oh yeah, Mormons are staunchly Republican as well as white S baptists.
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arbusto_baboso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 12:55 PM
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8. There are cracks in the mormons repuke armor now, though....
Most of my in-laws are Utah mormons. They are staunch believers, and up until now, staunch Republicans as well. But some interesting things are happening.

Long story short: Utah will NOT go blue this election, but it will probably be CLOSER to going blue this time than at any time since Eisenhower. The times they are a'changin'!
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shockingelk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 02:00 PM
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20. Let's hope the times are a changing
... and a big part of that change will involve a presidential transition team in a few months!
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Nightjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 12:56 PM
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9. Don't be too worried
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WiseMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 01:08 PM
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10. Kerry must make some proposal that appeals to "PRO-LIFE" voters.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 01:52 PM
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17. no way
Kerry makes overatures to pro-lifers and he will loose a large amount of the woman's vote.
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faithfulcitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 01:13 PM
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12. all Christians are "evangelical"...
I've never understood the difference. MSNBC (i think) just said Bush has a very specific faith and was "evangelical". Then, went on to say he was "United Methodist"? I am shocked that I share a church with this man! :puke: Of the Christian denominations, Methodists tend to be more liberal, community oriented and more tolerant of homosexuality. So, I think this so called "evangelical" sect # is bologna and further illustrates this administration's perversion of the Christian faith. BTW, Pat Robertson calls Methodists "pagans". :shrug:
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mimitabby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 01:59 PM
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19. don't worry about it
he never goes to church.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 02:02 PM
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22. there is plenty of difference between me a Catholic and a baptist
I believe that Virgin Mary and the Saints are just as important as Christ himself, I believe it is godo works not just faith that gets you in to heaven. Wait if Pat thinks the Methodists are Pagans, why does his organization support Methodist candiates such as Bush. I think the Methodists are divided by their southern and northern factions, the northern faction tends to be more accepting and the southern more traditional, I think it was either them or the espicolians that had a split in the civil war.
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truthspeaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 01:25 PM
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13. "evangelical Christian" is a VERY broad term
It covers everyone from Jimmy Carter to Fred Phelps.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 01:48 PM
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15. yeah and 39 percent of them vote democratic
don't panic
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 01:51 PM
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16. not the stat I found
According to the City University of New York's American Religious Identification Survey, the number of Americans who identify themselves as "evangelicals" more than quadrupled from 1990 to 2001, from 242,000 to 1,032,000.

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mimitabby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 02:02 PM
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21. okay, let's do the math
if 1,000,000 americans are evangelical
and 1/3 of voters are evangelical
that means only 3 million of us are voters!
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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 01:54 PM
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18. Good! It's an opportunity!
That's an opportunity to show all of them how to vote for Christian values -- instead of the "christian" values of the GOP -- such as loving your neighbor, turning the other cheek, blessing the peacemakers, helping the meek, having the rich give to the poor and not casting stones unless you are without sin.
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cheshire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 02:05 PM
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23. Not a problem 33.4% are not stupid to *. Lots of them can see the truth.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 02:19 PM
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24. And all that belief in a NON-BIBLICAL teaching.
I'm speaking, of course, of the "Rapture" and dispensationalism.

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