Does anyone here agree with Bartcop? John Kerry is not fighting

[maveric]

hard enough?

"Kerry lied to us when he promised to fight.
He's intentionally taking a dive. They're so afraid they can't think."

I just came back from BC and he goes on and on about how Kerry isnt showing his balls, or not being convincing, and how he will lose 45 states.
Is it just the media influence or is Kerry just not showing himself as someone who really wants to win?
I must admit that I just dont see or hear enough from him. Just a lot of admiration and sympathy for the chimp.

[FARAFIELD]

1. ITS TRUE

It was his to lose and he is totally checking. The only option is that he knows it will stay close anyway and that americans will use the debates to see if they need to fire bush. The only problem is that the media is all over him with no let up.

[Carla in Ca]

12. Hoffmania has a great item today called

Kickass-Kerry Day 1, chapter two.

Below that is item Kickass Kerry arrives.

A good read.

[Blecht]

2. No

I don't agree with Bartcop.

Kerry is doing a great job. It's very difficult for an opponent of the fascist disinformation machine to get his message out, and he's doing about as well as anybody could.

[movonne]

3. I love Bartcop but I do not agree with him on this one ...I did not

read him yet tonight but if he said this then I hope he tells us what he is not doing...REMEMBER WE ALSO HAVE TO FIGHT THE MEDIA AND DO NOT GET ALL OF HIS SPEECHES.

[Kanary]

25. The way to "fight the media" is to REFRAME the issues!

Two authors have written about this, and Kerry has plenty of $$$ to hire their help, if he really wanted to do something about it.

Part of why he isn't getting the media attention is because he isn't fighting against the FRAMING of the RW.

I don't know what you mean that "we have to fight the media". There's not much *I* can do about that, and I'm not going to take on Kerry's fight if he doesn't want to do what he CAN do about it. There's plenty of help out there, if he wants to take it. Htere are people practically begging him to let them help him with reframing the issues.

:shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug:

Kanary :shrug:

[Eric J in MN]

4. Here is an ad bartcop says Kerry should do

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0437/barrett.php

The ad starts with Bush and his September 14, 2001, bullhorn. This time, though, it's a Kerry commercial that reminds swing-state Americans of Bush's blood vow—precisely three years ago—that "the people who knocked down these buildings" would "hear all of us soon." The cowboy soundbites that we would "smoke 'em out" track across the screen with any network's footage of the "wanted dead or alive" culprits: Osama bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and Mullah Omar.

Then the camera moves on to anchors reporting that bin Laden was cornered at Tora Bora, but that U.S. commanders were allowing mercenary Pashtuns to lead the fighting and Pakistanis to seal the backside border.

Next, news headlines blare that Special Forces and key CIA operatives were prematurely pulled out of Afghanistan to prepare for the war on Iraq.

The last visual is of Bush momentarily forced at a March 2002
press conference to discuss bin Laden: "I just don't spend that much time on him, to be honest with ya."

[maveric]

10. He should do just that!

He needs to show all the fucking LIES and BROKEN PROMISES from the bu$h administration.

[oasis]

31. Good, very good.

:thumbsup:

[Cyrano]

5. It's the media

Bush can cut a fart and they'll tell you how sweet it smells.

Kerry could accuse Bush of rape and the media would cover Scott Peterson or Martha Stewart.

The only ones covering reality are Air America Radio, Jon Stewart and Dan Rather. Every other media outlet is bending over for the Bush/Cheney/Rove mob.

[SmileyBoy]

9. I love that quote!! Can I use it???

"Bush can cut a fart and they'll tell you how sweet it smells."

LOL!!!

[Cyrano]

22. northwest,, be my guest. Use it all you want.

[JI7]

6. he is fighting hard to win, although people might disagree with it

with how he is doing it. but doesn't change the fact that he is out there and going after bush and presenting his own agenda.

[greekspeak]

7. I beleive he is doing very little to fight this crap

We can only blame the complicit media for so much. He needs to DEMAND equal coverage; he needs to make some heads roll; he needs to do more than send e-mails to his supporters complaining about attacks against and begging for more money. The media is emasculating him, and he is not doing anything about it. I am going to vote for the man, and proudly, because I think he is a man of principles. But one of his strong suits is NOT fighting fire with fire.

[Ladyhawk]

16. I have to agree.

The "positive" approach isn't working. Time to fight back.

[KittyWampus]

23. Oh Please... Kerry Needs To "Demand"? Yeah, Maybe If Kerry Stamps His Foot

REAL hard the media will give him a fair shake.

[The_Casual_Observer]

8. Kerry is probably doing everything he can do right now

He is campaigning every day, getting his message out,and responding to the bush attacks.

He is at a very obvious disadvantage since for better or worse, bush is seen as the president, and no matter what, what the president does is news and is taken seriously by the media. Kerry has yet to broach calling bush an out and out liar. This is a difficult line to cross, is, in my memory, never done, however it may come to this very soon.

[onecitizen]

11. Haven't read Bartcop but........

you have no idea how much I miss Gov. Dean. Oh my. I feel I was sort of duped by Kerry, even though I think he would make a far, far superior President over bush, Kerry has quit fighting. Almost since right after he got the nomination. The guy is a personality albino. I just wanna go pinch him or something. I finally lost hope after his appearance on the Daily Show. What was that anyway? He was absolutely tongue tied. He didn't help himself on Imus this A.M. either.

I fear, he's afraid of actually winning. After all, what a mess it will be for anybody. I think Dean KNEW he could handle it and WANTED to handle it. Kerry may have wanted it but now has realized what an effort will be involved. The only blame I'll cast on John would be that he should have been honest with himself first. Then being honest with us would be natural.

[ldf]

13. sorry, don't do bartcop anymore

ever since he came over here and made a complete ass of himself (ridiculing bev harris and the bbv gang).

[lcordero]

14. Kerry may win by a landslide

Kerry and Bush are neck to neck in the polls.
Bush was ahead of Gore in the media-distorted polls 52 to 39.
Gore won by a million votes.
add the 10 percent and Kerry will win by a landslide.
I feel that he's been doing the right things. His biggest mistake is bringing up the sunset of the AWB ban.

[NNN0LHI]

17. God dammit. Don't say that

Of course Kerry is going to win in a landslide. Damn, I said it now. Shit. But we can't have everyone sitting back and not working their asses off until November. We need both houses of congress back too. That will be reqired for Kerry to be able to fix all the shit Bush and his minions have fucked up. I know what Bartcop is doing. And he is right for doing it. Got to win them seats.

Don

[creeksneakers2]

15. Kerry's doing some great stuff lately

Its just that this AWOL nonsense is sucking up all the news. I'm angry with the DNC for pushing AWOL. AWOL won't bring Kerry a single vote.

Meanwhile, Bush is openly proposing a national sales tax. There are so many ways to get Bush on this. Kerry pointed out things are going very badly in Iraq. That wasn't covered, but AWOL was.

The DNC has to get on the right page.

[NNN0LHI]

19. Its not the AWOL that will kill Bush

Its the cover up of the AWOL that will bring this sucker down. Its always the cover up that does them in. Seen any political ads of the Chimp landing on any aircraft carriers lately? Whys that? War time president and all.

Don

[Only Me]

18. I read every speech I can by him, I think he is really doing good. nt

[maveric]

26. Who sees or hears these speeches?

I dont. CNN, NBC, ABC and even CBS shows bu$h's speeches and admiration by his followers and the newly decided swing voters.
It IS the media and Kerry has make himself more visible.
I'm in CA and I dont see shit from Kerry.

[Only Me]

34. But thats not Kerry's fault, that is the Medias fault. They 're the ones

in bed with the Repugs. Until we have a Liberal cable/network station that works for us, you won't here much about our candidates in this election or the elections in the future. We are being repressed and our messages are being repressed.
I have never seen, and am not young, the media as biased as it has been in the last 2 presidential elections. Especially this one.
We can demand equal air time...but until we effect the money trail, or get our own channels...We can only do the best we can and do alot of foot/ground work pushing and educating as we go.

[peekaloo]

20. I'm seeing promos for next Monday's Letterman with Kerry.

Dave will let him talk on his terms and that in itself is a rarity when most television appearances are 30 second soundbites.


I talked to someone last night who was unaware that Edwards talked with a thick NC accent, mainly because he said he never sees/hears him on TV, just that "dumbass Bu$h saying the same old tired shit".

[mitchum]

21. Bartcop is wrong, but alcohol does cloud one's senses...

so I'll give him a slight pass on his misconception

Kerry and Edwards are both hitting Bush hard on the trail.

[madfloridian]

32. That was ugly.

I am surprised at you. BC has had a rough year health-wise, and I think that is out of line.

[agincourt]

24. Well there are several things,

For one thing, much of the american public is like a dog who will swallow a nut or bolt if KKKarl Rove feeds it to them. Another thing,which I've never been able to figure out, is that conservative republican presidents never have to account for anything. Nothing, I mean nothing is their flipping fault. Launch a screw pooch war, sheeet, it was bad intelligence from George Tenant, not the Idiot in chiefs miscalculation. Democrats like Clinton, with a hostile knee-cap breaking congress, on the other hand are to blame for everything that goes wrong on their watch. If the Republican who follows them, sticks his thumb up his ass,and has anything go wrong,it is then reaping the harvest of a democratic presidency.
Kerry has probably played things a little too safe. He should campaign more in the red states just to shake things up. But I certainly don't blame these shit for polls entirely on him.
And the thing I'll never figure out is that if anybody points out shrub's gross incompetence for 9-11, the response is too often ,Na Na na na na na na, I can't hear you!".

[leesa]

27. Disagree. He gets no media coverage. He can shout and scream all he

wants, but if the WH controlled media does not air it, who would know?? Don't fall for this again Dems, you fell for it with Gore too.

[LibDemAlways]

28. Kerry spent months trying to

get a positive message out. I think he simply doesn't understand that the repukes own the media and set the agenda.

He was blindsided in August by the Swift Boat Liars attacks, and was too slow to respond. I still don't think he's responded forcefully enough, but he's learning.

The only way he can capture the attention of the whores is to adopt some of the repuke slash and burn techniques. He needs to call Bush a liar, and document the lies.

So much of Bush's bullshit has been captured on video. Kerry needs to use it. Put the chimp on the defensive and beat him (figuratively)) to a pulp.

[UdoKier]

29. Sort of, but he's harping on it WAY too much.

I wrote an email to him to that effect today.

I got the point when he started griping about it a couple weeks ago.

Enough already. Limbaugh doesn't rag on Kerry this much.

[Jacobin]

30. Moi.

I'm still waiting for that "great closer" thing to kick in. If it doesn't soon,.............

(missing Dean :hug:

[jmowreader]

33. Disagree with BC for right now

On October 16, ask me this again, but right now Kerry's doing fairly well.

Right now, Kerry and Edwards are criss-crossing the country saying some pretty mean things about our unelected dictator. They don't get much press, but that's okay. For now.

On September 30, Kerry is going to stand in front of the entire nation and make Bush bawl like Nancy Kerrigan. </cartman> Later, watch the vice-presidential debate closely--is that a set of jumper cables coming out Cheney's pants leg?

After Bush collapses on national television, and the polls reflect this, the media will jump ship and start exposing the little dumbass. Can you imagine all of the ad time they can sell during a criminal trial for the first deposed president of the United States?

[maveric]

35. He needs to do a Town Hall, TV event.

Where he takes uncensored questions from an audience of swing voters, on CBS. People just dont know him.

[cheezus]

36. that's BartCop's everyone but me is a moron attitude

Kerry isn't way out ahead like we think he should be, and ragging on Kerry brings in the hits.

[Pushed To The Left]

37. Two words: Supreme Court!!

Kerry and the DNC should really push the Supreme Court appointment issue. This should be a winning issue with anybody who isn't a hardcore conservative. The DNC does have part of their site dedicated to this issue, but it needs to be closer to the top!! Imagine a commercial with radical quotes from Antonin Scalia, and then a cut to Bush saying that he would like to appoint somebody like Scalia. Get some quotes from Pickering, Pryor, Holmes, etc. and have a voice-over ask "Is this who you want on the Supreme Court?". We aren't hearing about this issue nearly enough. Let's get off the AWOL stuff and let's get on with saving the Supreme Court!

[kodi]

38. quite honestly, i question kerry having my back in a fight

that's just the way i feel enough tho i sent him money. i just wish he would show some emotion or anger for what is being done to him and his reputation.

i mean, he's just not defending himself in a manner that shows he understands the affect the smears are having on his reputation. he doesn't have to go all zel miller on bush's ass, but come on, what's up with this crap? does he want to be president or not? is he going to fight for the presidency with everything he's got or not?

right now, i do not see that he has...and its getting pretty fucking late in the game to start now. so i concur with bartcop