Why are so many DUers working to undermine Obama and help the GOP?

[NJmaverick]

It's baffling that after living through the hell, that were the George Bush years, so many DUers are working hard to attack and undermine the OBama administration, thereby opening the door for a GOP President in 2012. Are these DUers deluded into thinking they are creating an opening for Hillary in 2012?

[gristy]

1. Why do you think that are so many DUers working to undermine Obama and help the GOP?

The premise of your question is false.

[NJmaverick]

2. Not when the number one thread encourages and lauds those that attack Obama and his people

that pretty much supports my contention

[EmilyAnne]

94. What thread is this? I haven't seen it. Is this about his financial team? As far as I'm concerned

I have absolutely no ability to judge this part of his administration. The whole scope and the intricacies of our economy are truly beyond my grasp.

I can agree with one economist's op-ed, then go on to another that refutes it and find myself in agreement.
The thing is, economics is a philosophy that many expect to act as a science. And its a pretty scary one, at that.
I am just going to trust that whatever he does, he has the best intentions for our country in his heart and mind. That doesn't make me a blind follower. A blind follower will say that whatever he does will be the absolute best thing. He will try to do the best thing, but how can he really know what that is when no two economists can actually agree 100%. His good intentions will guide him well, but any slip ups will be due to simple, honest effort...not from being selfish or ignorant (like Bush).

[Redbear]

3. Democrats do not fall in line. It is part of who we are.

I voted for Obama and think he is a wonderful president.

But, will I criticize him whenever I think he is taking the side of the wealthy against the working class or when he upholds a Bush policy that erodes or civil liberties? Yes. I will.

[ShortnFiery]

16. Yes, but this is THE TIME that we should pause and keep our criticism among ourselves.

Why? Look how INSANE, literally deranged that many of the members of the GOP are becoming. We must choose our battles. And no, I'm a Kucinich liberal but dammit, I don't want to EVER go back to a GOP run Executive, Legislative and Judicial Branch run Nation again. If that occurred, we'd have PURE FASCISM. :scared:

[WillParkinson]

117. Keep our criticism to ourselves?

Gee, isn't that what the GOP was telling their party members, too?

[NJmaverick]

26. That trait is what has empowered the GOP for decades

that is also part of that equation

[stillcool]

42. Is that what FOX news does? Criticize?

[President Decider]

125. GOOD POINT: Dems are not a "lock step" mentality like the GOP ..... and that's a good thing!

I happen to think a little political discourse within the party is always a good thing. This should never mean we're not all motivated an in line with finding a better way ..... It just means we all have, and respect, various ideas on how to get there.

[DemNoir]

4. Business as usual

DU has always been a place where right wing spin is distributed and amplified. Sadly, it's not even intentional. The place is brimming with useful idiots.

[NJmaverick]

32. Very true

[Phred42]

5. Pushing Obama does not = supporting the GOP

Grow a fucking pair!

[NJmaverick]

33. You can't polish a turd

calling attackings "pushing" is attempting just that

[burythehatchet]

111. You can't polish a turd

but you can put it between two pieces of bread with some mustard and serve it in GD-P.

:rofl:

I had not been here in a while. What a wreck!

[mkultra]

6. the new PUMA attack method

"dissent is healthy" so says PUMA so be sure to express your dissent everyday!

[greguganus]

8. 'PUMAS'? I thought they became extinct after Obama won the nomination. n/t

[TheBigotBasher]

86. They still exist

Wallowing in a cess pit of their own making and helping to fund the lifestyle of bigots such as Darhag Murphy, SusanKKKHu and Larry wot no tape Johnson.

They accuse the 69 million people who voted for Barack Obama of being "Obots", while worshipping at the feet of a hard right Hillary Clinton that never existed. Their only success was the creation of the Monster that is Sarah Palin.

They are a pathetic bunch of fail and closet / not so closet racists.

They continually make death threats against the President and "Washington" and regularly repeat every hard right Republican lie.

If you enjoy mocking them, go to http://stupidpumas.wordpress.com/ or www.rumproast.com

The Democratic Party is better off without that tiny bunch of Neo Nazi scum "Ex Dem Pumas".

[William769]

95. Yes PUMAS still exist.

Otherwise we would just be like the Republican party. Oh the hypocrisy around this place sometimes!

[depakid]

129. Maybe in yours and others minds

:eyes:

[William769]

141. Rolling eyes are only effective when used properly.

Imagine if there were PUMAS in the Republican party for the last 8 years. :eyes:

Now thats effective eyes rolling.

[FARAFIELD]

7. Because the were 17 million Hilbots and PUMA's

scorch pow!! Just kidding I know 99 percent of he HILBOTS, got behind Obama and that the PUMAS were just Republicants pretending to be Hillay Supporters.

[DevonRex]

61. Yep. Those folks aren't here anymore. They're on other boards saying Obama is a pinko commie.

No kidding. I just saw one say that the other day.

[Life Long Dem]

9. They need an outlet for the sore-sport - I told you so attitude.

:evilgrin:

[Life Long Dem]

10. They need an outlet for the sore-sport - I told you so attitude.

[firedupdem]

11. I wasn't here for the primaries so I'm not sure what some people's

motivations are. However, posters who have written a long ass misleading post about the cost of this President's inauguration for example, has minimal credibility and I ignore their posts.

[BlooInBloo]

12. It's what they do.

And they squawk about how "dissent is patriotic!" the whole time, too.

[NJmaverick]

40. more like shovel fertilizer with their "dissent is patriotic" claims

[geek tragedy]

13. Not about Hillary. It's about chronic malcontents

whose main source of recreation is complaining.

[TechBear_Seattle]

14. Because

A lot of people here at DU see any criticism whatsoever as "working to undermine Obama and help the GOP."

Example A:

DUer 1: I think President Obama should not have worn that paisley tie; it did not go well with his shirt.

DUer 2: Why are you hate the President?


Example B:

DUer 1: That comment about the Special Olympics was not the President's best media moment.

DUer 2: So you would rather have seen Bush elected to a third term?


Example C:

DUer 1: I wish President Obama would give more attention to America's unions and less to Wall Street.

DUer 2: If you love the Republicans so much, what are you doing here?


I can go on, but I'm sure you get the point.

[Celebration]

18. LOL

Do some people ALWAYS live in false dualities?

Obama as being above criticism vs. always helping GOPers

Are there really only these two choices? Are we supposed to fit in little boxes?

I think not.

[TechBear_Seattle]

20. Unfortunately, there are people who see things in exactly that dichotomy

Either you worship Barak Obama as the second coming of Jesus Christ, or you are in league with Satan. That attitude was in clear evidence during the election and still remains to this day.

[countingbluecars]

27. There are extremes here the other way too. n/t

[TechBear_Seattle]

88. I never said there wasn't n/t

[dionysus]

29. when you say things like "worship", your slip is showing. may as well toss out a messiah too

:rofl:

[NJmaverick]

30. LOL! That's quite the straw man, one of the biggest I have ever seen

I am sure you will construct just as impressive a one if your undermining and constant attacks on the Obama administration results in a GOP president in 2012. Like George Bush you are incapable of conceiving of the concept that your actions might have negative consequences.

[TechBear_Seattle]

53. I never said I was one of those people, did I?

I only said that there are some people still on DU who are like that. I would be happy to "call out" those who I put in that category, but the Admins would likely get testy.

[NJmaverick]

54. If you look at post 23 I corrected you examples so they more closely reflect the reality

of the situation.

[TechBear_Seattle]

89. Your reality, maybe. Certainly not mine n/t

[Arugula Latte]

41. And if you said anything against Hillary, you hated all women.

Even if you were a woman, like myself.

[AlCzervik]

51. i think Obama would be disappointed, he certainly doesn't expect people to agree with

him all the time and he sure as hell wouldn't want people to stop voicing their opinions and i doubt he views differing opinions as personal attacks on him. Obama imo isn't the problem.

[TechBear_Seattle]

55. I agree with you completely. n/t

[Cha]

81. Bullshit

Bullshit Bullshit.

[NJmaverick]

23. Let us make those examples more accurate

A) Typical attack DUer- "Obama should have worn a pasley tie, he is just as bad as that tie wearing George Bush"

B) Typical attack DUer- "Oh No! I can't believe Obama mentioned the Special Olyimpics in a joke! He hates handicapped people, what a terrible person and President!"

c) Typical attack DUer- "Obama is helping the Wall Street fat cats and hurting the Unions. It was a big mistake to vote him in to the White House. You should have listened to me and voted for Hillary Clinton. She would already have solved all our problems and we would all be living in a liberal paradise!"

[Hannah Bell]

116. other poster's example = real.

[Vanje]

79. Just so!

Exactly!
Word

[burythehatchet]

114. Thanks TB_S. I have been laughing too much to post a coherent reply

This is the funniest thread ever.

[Adelante]

15. Some are disruptors come here for the purpose

From both left and right, and not just PUMAs, though certainly they are among us. But there are also constructive critics who are well-meaning and believe dissent is a positive action. You can't really dump them in with the first set, even though it can be disheartening at times. If I see somebody posting nothing but negativity, all the time as a posting pattern, I figure it for a troll of some stripe and alert the mods.

[wyldwolf]

17. it isn't the Hillary supporters doing it

It's the "more progressive than thou and I just have to bellyache" crowd.

[Froward69]

19. I concour wyldwolf...

"Whaaa Whaaa we have a Democratic president... Whaaa after 8 years, I have forgotten how to support a president whaaa."

[NJmaverick]

31. Perhaps that is part of it. Old habits are hard to break

[AyanEva]

50. LOLOLOL

Too true. Every day I find myself hitting "ignore" and "hide thread" more and more. :/

I think those are my two favorite features here.

[dionysus]

24. oh, there's a handful of hillary supporters doing it but this time around its mostly the nader\kooch

crowd who are the culprits, with a bitter edwards dude or two thrown in for good measure...

[NJmaverick]

25. True there are always those that attempt to impress by their criticisim

not that they have anything resembling a good alternative.

[DevonRex]

46. I agree completely.

But the VAST majority are the self-righteous, more-liberal-than-thou bellyachers. And the vast majority of them were for somebody OTHER than Hillary or Obama.

[Raineyb]

65. Right because the people who dislike the progressives are not self righteous at all

They're just completely reasonable in their desire to have anyone left of them STFU. Meanwhile the "moderate" DINOs are actively working to derail any actual changes. But it's the people who put the pressure on from the left who are the problem?

What a steaming pile this thread has turned out to be.

Regards

[Jennicut]

49. bingo! Hillary supporters are innocent.

Its the purity crowd with the pitchforks who never post anything positive.

[OHdem10]

21. Do not worry about HRC. If Obama does not succeed the Democratic

Party goes down and wander in the wilderness for years to come.

If Obama loses, GOP wins.

This struggle is about Direction of Country.

We stand together or we fall. It is that simple.

[NJmaverick]

28. Well considering the number one post on DU, we are headed down the fall road

since many are favoring not standing together

[dionysus]

22. quick answer; they always have, and always will hate him, for one reason or another. take it to the

bank.

[firedupdem]

34. Exactly. It's really clear to see. n/t

[Peacetrain]

36. .....

word

[Orsino]

35. Because we hate America, obviously...

...and want Jones back, Comrade. :eyes:

[burythehatchet]

108. The lobotamy appointments are being scheduled for Wednesday. Can't wait.

This is the state of this once fine message board, a group of intellectual juveniles tickling each others anus.

[PBS Poll-435]

37. With Severe Apologies to Adele

I've made up my mind,
Don't need to think it over,
If I'm wrong I am right,
Don't need to look no further,
This ain't lust,
I know this is love but,

If I tell the world,
I'll never say enough,
Cause it was not said to you,
And that's exactly what I need to do,
If I'm in love with you,

Should I give up,
Or should I just keep chasing PUMAs?
Even if it leads nowhere,
Or would it be a waste?
Even If I knew my place should I leave it there?
Should I give up,
Or should I just keep chasing PUMAs?
Even if it leads nowhere

I'd build myself up,
And fly around in circles,
Waiting as my heart drops,
And my back begins to tingle
Finally could this be it or

Should I give up,
Or should I just keep chasing PUMAs?
Even if it leads nowhere,
Or would it be a waste?
Even If I knew my place should I leave it there?
Should I give up,
Or should I just keep chasing PUMAs?
Even if it leads nowhere

Should I give up,
Or should I just keep chasing PUMAs?
Even if it leads nowhere,
Or would it be a waste?
Even If I knew my place should I leave it there?
Should I give up,
Or should I just keep on chasing PUMAs?
Should I just keep on chasing PUMAs?

Should I give up,
Or should I just keep chasing PUMAs?
Even if it leads nowhere,
Or would it be a waste?
Even If I knew my place should I leave it there?
Should I give up,
Or should I just keep chasing PUMAs?
Even if it leads nowhere

[lamp_shade]

38. Most who bash him never wanted him in the first place.

[NJmaverick]

39. That's true, but their bitterness and desire to be proven right

is very harmful the the nation, the Obama administration and the Democratic party

[GeorgeGist]

43. Perhaps they're progressive ...

mavericks.

[Dr Fate]

44. Do you mean"Centrist" DLC, Bayh, Lieberman & Blue Dog supporters-or- "The Far Left?"

LOL!

Maybe when the smoke clears, we will see who the true loyal DEMS really are...

Here at DU, it seems to be the lefties who are attacking Obama with blog text.

Outside of DU, some of his biggest problems are coming from the Lieberman/Bayh/GOP conservative coalition- unlike a few lefties complaining on a website, these guys actually have the power to obstruct him.

[bowens43]

45. they're not happy unless they're crying and moaning

and showing the rest o that they are morally superior......

[Dr Fate]

48. Who? Evan Bayh & Joe Lieberman's "blue dogs" ?

Oh- I forgot- we are talking about typed text within the microcosm of DU, not the conserva...er, I mean "moderate" power players who actually have the power to obstruct Obama...

[DevonRex]

47. It's not the Hillary people. These folks are supporters of 2 other candidates.

And we know which ones.

[dionysus]

56. it's actually 3, how dare you forget the deep-cover naderites!!!

:hi:

[DevonRex]

59. Funny how most of them are afraid to admit it, huh? Poor kooch

has become their cover candidate. They probably jinxed him, when I think about it.

:rofl: at the naderites. :hi:

[Vanje]

105. Naderites?

Maybe not.
Hillary adherants? Hardly.
Kuccinich followers? No

I have it on good authority that those criticizing Obama are Paulsonites.
I can prove it too!

If you're old enough, you'll remember "Pat Paulson for President".



Alas. Pat has since gone on to his reward, and his most faithful followers zealously await their reward.
They ready themselves for the time when Pat Paulson shall return, carried from Valhalla, strong and virile, and gloriously backlit, on the backs of 2012 turtle doves (as detailed in scripture), to take what his followers believe is his rightful place in the post millennial whitehouse.

Paulsonites believe Paulson is "coming soon", and are making a way ready for him.
Even Paulsonss most ardent followers know they've got a tough job ahead.
They're starting early , because even when held aloft above the fruited plane, by thousands of plump wee birds, Pat Paulson frankly,does not cut a very impressive figure.
Its going to take more than clever lighting, immortality and and 700lbs of of birds to get Paulson into the whitehouse.
Paulsonites understand its going to take a butt load of work to make Paulson cut a more impressive figure than Obama.


(Do I hear cooing?)

[Uzybone]

52. Its a vocal minority of bitter hacks

they PM each other and gather around to piss on threads and accuse people of being paid. I thought this type of shit was not allowed on DU.

[NJmaverick]

57. I don't know about allowed by the PMing (and sometimes using other boards to rally criitcs)

is very common place at DU.

[DevonRex]

60. Exactly. And don't forget the twittering.

[burythehatchet]

109. ...

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:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Name removed]

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[SpartanDem]

62. I wouldn't translate DU too much to the outside world

the sniping by party activist isn't that big of deal it happens. You have to remember there are some people who more part of personality cults be it Obama, Hillary, Dean than the party itself. Hell you have people who aren't even really Democrats here there is a significant Green/Socialist crowd for whom Obama will never be progressive enough. Do you think your average Democrat is concerned whether or not Howard Dean got a position with the Admin? No, but more than a few Dean supporters have been whining how they were betrayed and that won't vote Obama again. Are they debating whether or not Obama corporatist? No, if you went up to the average supporter they would wonder WTF are you talking about.

[NJmaverick]

64. I hope you are right, but I fear you could be wrong

[Jennicut]

67. You are right on. All of my Dem friends who voted for Obama

support him and do not get into whether he is progressive enough or not.

[Name removed]

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[Lilith Velkor]

75. No, it's the Third Maverick

[WI_DEM]

66. It's only some. The ones who have never given Obama a chance and criticize him daily

for everything. They opposed him in the primaries and these few never got over it.

[NJmaverick]

68. That's for sure. It's just discouraging to see the number one thread

at the DEMOCRACTIC Underground is a thread encouraging those attacks.

[frylock]

69. freerepublic is a wonderful site to express your unquestioning devotion..

legit criticism and expressing concern is not helping the GOP. set up a fansite if you want nothing but posts jocking obama.

[NJmaverick]

70. The fault is in the mistaken assumption that the attacks are

"legit criticism and expressing concern". From the volume and the hyperbole (like the use of Free Republic, for example), that is clearly not the case.

[Name removed]

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[soothsayer]

71. Lol, why does anyone think that what we say on DU matters?

If it did, Bush and Cheney would be sharing a bunk with Madoff instead of running free.

[soothsayer]

72. Why don't you lunkheads realize that St. Obama can do no wrong!

He's as infallible as the pope I tell you! Now don't question anything he does, or trouble your pretty heads about the policies and proposals you think are dead wrong.

[NJmaverick]

74. At DU it's more like Obama can do no right

:eyes:

[DevonRex]

76. No use talking to folks who say things like "St. Obama" or "Obama worshippers"

or any of the other usual insults. They know they're being insulting and do it on purpose, then pretend to be completely innocent. That's always how it goes.

And clearly the call went out so they'd all come piss on your thread.

[dionysus]

77. oh stop sniffing the hope dust you lock-stepping messiah cultist, you

:silly:

[cboy4]

78. You people are nothing if not entertaining

[NJmaverick]

80. Are you not the guy everyone makes fun of in the Sports forum?

[cboy4]

82. Yea, I take a lot of abuse about my defense of Barry Bonds.

What does that have to do with this ridiculous thread in an even more ridiculous forum?

Kool Aid!

[NJmaverick]

83. So you will defend a steroid using baseball player but not Obama

you have a strange set of priorities

[cboy4]

84. Actually, I defended Obama twice today:

cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Mar-20-09 08:43 AM
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7. He did say that .. hey I've been a critic as much as anyone

dating back to the primaries, but you have to be fair.

This was one of the first things out of his mouth:

I do think, though, that the American people are all in a place where they understand it took us a while to get into this mess, it's going to take a while for us to get out of it. And if they have confidence that I'm making steps to deal with issues like health care and energy and education, that matter deeply to their daily lives, then I think they're going to give us some time. (Applause.)


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/20/us/politics/20obama.t...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5295060#5295136

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11. The fact that he behaves like a human being with faults

actually gives me more confidence he understands and empathizes with real life problems and issues that affect the average person.

I was a fierce Obama critic during the primaries and I've really started warming up to him .. particularly his humility and normal person behavior .. ie, the NCAA brackets.

And BTW, that's a joke the pros would make. If anything, you would be arguing he needs to act less like a pro and be politically correct .. something that does not exist in an overwhelming percentage of stand-up. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=215x89551#89608

So you fail miserably with your dishonesty, ha NJMaverick? You've completely twisted my record and continue to insinuate I'm bitter about the primaries. This forum is just a pathetic circle jerk, I'm telling you what.

And BTW, there's no proof at all that Bonds knowingly took steroids. When he's acquitted, I'll entertain your apology.

[NJmaverick]

85. Well your response is indictive of emotional instability

so I suspect there are other reasons everyone makes fun of you.

As for your claims of defending Obama, a quick Google search shows you were a militant Hillary supporter, so it's not hard to see where your venom is coming from.

Edit to add- Having checked your claims of having defended Obama, with the links you provided, they only go to more of your attacks on Obama. You are seriously messed up.

[cboy4]

90. That's a nice strawman.

But again, I defended Obama twice in a matter of hours today which is indicative that I've moved past the primaries, unlike all of your friends in tin foil hat forum.

So keep on distorting my record. You can't stand it that I've found the perfect balance of moving on/supporting Obama and hammering all of the sheep who can't stand any criticism whatsoever.

Why he's a perfect president, ha?

[NJmaverick]

91. You attacked Obama, you didn't defend him

you have attacked him, since you were doing so on behalf of Hillary Clinton.

[cboy4]

92. Riiiiight. I attacked Obama in defending two different issues

to which I provided links.

:crazy:

Try and get a grip NJMaverick .. in between your anti-Hillary rhetoric and your constant whining about the way Obama is treated.

[blindpig]

73. Um, there's more to politics than Ds & Rs. n/t

[Autumn]

87. Well it's kind of like herding cats. We all

have our opinions and hopes.

[Stevepol]

93. why are so many DU-ers trying to undermine critics of some Obama policies & help the GOP?

I love Obama. I'm grateful every day I don't have to find out some new absurdity or crime committed by the US prez or his admin.

But I think Obama is making a mistake in Afghanistan and an even bigger mistake by sticking with Geithner & Summers. If O cd clean up these two areas of policy, he'd be almost perfect IMO.

[backscatter712]

96. Contrary to popular belief, it is OK to criticize Obama when he screws up.

Don't get me wrong - I'm a big fan of Obama, and think 90% of what he'd doing as President is awesome. I phonebanked for his campaign, and donated a decent amount of cash.

But he does screw up occasionally - IMHO, Geithner's screwing up his handling of the Wall Street/banking crisis - he should be nationalizing banks rather than continuing Paulsen's policy of feeding zombie banks.

[laureloak]

97. I've been wondering the same thing. n/t

[county worker]

98. It's part of the mentality of this board. Some people will criticize their mothers for birthing

them if it made them feel good.

[NJmaverick]

103. Very true!

:applause:

[old mark]

99. Democrats are ALWAYS like that - we seem to fight each other more

than we fight the GOPs, giving them a false sense of security.

I am still amazed that we were able to defeat the Pubs in '08, even with the liars and idiots they were running.

Seems that the Republicans are even more stupid and block headed that we are, though and they seem bound to defeat themselves in 2010.

Hope we can get together again to help them out of power.

mark

[CANDO]

100. Holding his feet to the fire is not undermining him!

With us or against us... stuff that shit already.

[NJmaverick]

104. that's BS. Obama has enough problems

he doesn't need people, with over developed senses of importance, "holding his feet to the fire".:eyes:

[CANDO]

107. My political concerns and activities don't end on election day.

Do yours? So do we stand by and let the corpo-lobbyists have their say while we remain silent. I sat and watched for 8 long years as Bill Clinton went on to be the best Republican President we've ever had. Fool me once, shame on you...no, a Democratic president won't get a second chance with me. I will speak out loudly and demand he be a Democrat. Go back and see what LBJ told Dr. King regarding civil rights. He told him to bring the heat from the street so it would be politically possible for him to get behind it from the White House. And that is my intention, bringing heat from the street. Undermine him? Hell no, I've got his back!

[Rosa Luxemburg]

101. because those DUers are GOP

they only come here to cause trouble

[kiranon]

102. Agree.

[appleannie1]

106. I have wondered the same thing. The only answer I can come up with, is everyone has their own

personal agenda. If he does not meet it, they will throw him under a bus and to heck with the country at large. I don't agree with everything he has done but if you stand back and look at it as a whole, I think he has done well.
What I really cannot understand is why people are so impatient. It took years for Bush and the Republican Congress to screw this country. The damage was so great, it cannot be righted in a couple months. Not unless someone has a magic wand. If someone does have one, bring it forward. We need it.

[meegbear]

112. Because we're EE-VILLE! EE-VILLE I tells yah!

[burythehatchet]

123. I keep coming back to this thread....bookmarking it.....LMAO

:rofl:

Side-splitting entertainment.

[billyoc]

113. This is the most transparent, pathetic form of liberal blackmail.

In which discomfort caused by a challenge is seen as some vague form of harassment.

Sell it walking.

[Political Heretic]

115. Why do we hate America? You're either with us or with the terrorists! Questioning is unpatriotic!

Many DUers are committing thought crimes.

[jeanpalmer]

118. There's no chance anything said on DU

will undermine Obama. Obama will succeed or fail based on what he does.

We can't have backdoor censorship. Criticism is nothing more than offering an alternative idea. If people are not allowed to express differing ideas, our political discourse is cheated. It's important that our political leaders are aware of agreement or disagreement the people may have with their policies. That won't happen if you stifle comment.

[lamp_shade]

119. I can tell you EXACTLY.....

I've read at least half the posts on DU over the last 5+ years and 90% of the posts from the last 2 years (I have time... I'm retired).

Disgruntled Kooch supporters - 40%
Disgruntled Hillary supporters - 30%
Freepers and other GOP lurkers/plants - 25%
Racists - 5%

[burythehatchet]

124. Excellent stats. Q: What if I'm a racist Kooch supporter? Am I in the 5% or the 40%

Is there a hierarchy of relevance? Can you share your complete statistical model?

[cooolandrew]

120. I think the President will overcome most obstacles as just when they feel >

they've got him cornered he makes an amazing power move that cuts right through the nonsense. The noise is only growing louder as his presidency is going from strength to strength. I only differ with the President on health care but his plan is still bettet than what went before, and just to highlight the same plan Hillary had. I think some criticism is warranted though as a party with no critique leads to the power crazed behaviour we saw on the right. But certainly only constructive and to help coax the WH the right way not destructive.

[cooolandrew]

121. I don't think we need to define them as any group just say they are the President's detractors >

as I would be happy to have them with us than against us by 2012.

[zulchzulu]

122. Frankly, I could give two shits about anyone trying to undermine Obama at this point

Whether from the "left", "right" or "middle", usually their arguments against Obama are either Utopian Purists, Sophomoric Stumblers, Theocratic Paranoids or just too stupid to even have to spend a second trying to categorize.

Obama is going to do very well as President despite being handed a World of Shit for problems amounted since 1980 or so. He (and those who support him) will have the last laugh.

[cboy4]

126. "Sophomoric" "Paranoids"?

Pot meet kettle.

It's all about having the last laugh, and getting people, and silencing dissent, ha zulchzulu?

I mean, that's your position.

You just mentioned having the last laugh and calling people stupid.

Just come out and say you don't think Obama .. who I actually think it doing a very good job .. should be criticized about anything.

Not a single thing .. which is why we continue to see such hysterical posts in this particular forum.

[zulchzulu]

133. Oooo, I forgot... drama queens...

I knew there was another category for Obama habitual naysayers.

It's not about "silencing dissent". If someone wants to come out as a whiner and make an ass of him or herself and offer nitwit Utopian "solutions", that's their decision.

I just laugh at the foolishness.

[LWolf]

127. Why is your question so two-dimensional?

It's possible to oppose both Obama's agenda AND the GOP. I have done so consistently since Obama declared his candidacy.

Just to be clear: I also opposed the nomination of Hillary Clinton.

I wanted a left-of-center candidate and president.

I still do.

[HopeOverFear]

128. It's the fear of being taken advantage of, basically

That's all it is. You'll see some progressives say "we won't march in lockstep like Right wingers" this is the excuse used the most, and at the heart of it is fear. Unfortunately many progs cannot tell the difference between blind loyalty and confidence in the person they elected. It has something to do with insecurity also. But it's the fear of being taken advantage of. Some people have nothing to believe in except politicians, so when those politicians aren't doing what they want, they get angry. Because they have nothing else.

[Skittles]

130. are you sure it's not just constructive criticism?

not everyone worships the ground Obama walks on

[cboy4]

131. You need to kick his baffled ass

yes INDEED

[Skittles]

136. I'm getting tired of this fucking whining

yes INDEED cboy

[johan helge]

132. Can you give some examples?

I myself post Krugman's criticism of the administration. But the aim for Krugman is obviously to save Obama and the US, not to destroy him. Krugman always criticizes Obama from the left, not the right, as far as I know.

[burning rain]

134. A political blog has a troll infestation?

I'm shocked, SHOCKED!

[Deja Q]

135. The President has done a lot of good things. He's done things I don't agree with.

What else is new.

When we agree with him, or anyone else, we respond.

Ditto for when we disagree.


In reality, nothing has changed -- for myself or ANYONE else on DU.

[HopeOverFear]

137. It's the fear of being taken advantage of, basically

That's all it is. You'll see some progs say "we won't march in lockstep like rws" usually this is the excuse used the most, but at the heart of it is fear. And to be fair, RW dittoheads can be scary. But unfortunately some progs cannot tell the difference between what the perceive to be blind loyalty, and confidence in the person they elected. It has something to do with insecurity also.

[Thickasabrick]

138. That's very good and I agree with it to a point, but I also think panic

is starting to set in. The last eight years have been so horrifying, I think many are afraid if he screws up too much we will be forced to relive those times.

[kwenu]

139. DU isn't really representative of the public at large.

And there is no happiness on DU without incessant complaining about something.

[leftofthedial]

140. they're either with us or against us!

[Danger Mouse]

142. While I am hard on some of the critics here, I think your post is an oversimplification.

People have legitimate concerns about what Obama is doing. They're not undermining him...they're posting about him on the internet. This is a place where people can vent their frustrations and that can lead to ugliness.
There are a handful of people who will never have anything nice to say about him, for whatever reason...oh well.
Still, I believe most people who are critical of his actions do so with good intentions, because they want to encourage him to do better, not because they are stealth Hillbots implanted within DU to ensure Hillary's victory in 2012.

[camera obscura]

143. There are reminders to all Americans that they need to watch what they say, watch what they do...

... and this is not a time for remarks like that; there never is.

-- Ari Fleischer, Nov. 10, 2001

[last_texas_dem]

144. Ooh, sounds like DU is being infiltrated by covert PUMA operatives!

It's sounding like we may need Encyclopedia Brown and *all three* of the Three Investigators to apprehend the slippery characters involved in the Case of the Phantom PUMAs! :scared:

[chascarrillo]

145. We shouldn't criticize Obama because he's up for reelection in 2012? Fuck you and your loyalty oath.

[olegramps]

146. Were we just a little too bit optimistic?

We all knew that the country was in deep trouble and we looked with great expectations for someone to come to the nation's rescue. But, I don't believe that we really had a good grasp on just how dire the situation had become as a result of years of determined effort by Republicans to deregulate the banking system. It is unfortunate that Democrats in the House and Senate, who initially opposed this development, did not stand their ground and refuse to cooperate.

The big question is can Obama save us from total collapse? We can't look to the wealthy Republicans who control their party to assist the Obama administration since they are the very ones who orchestrated this disaster. They hope that he fails because his success would demonstrated just how culpable they are in bringing about this catastrophe. A real revolt would be to impose confiscatory income tax and inheritance taxes on those who are responsible. I would be in favor of a tax of 70% and 100% for estates over five million. Remember that the tax rate on the wealthy during WWII was 94%. So this would be mild in comparison and fully warranted by the situation that we now face. Our nation is probably in just as much danger of collapse as it was during the Great Depression and the threat of Fascism.

The ones who most oppose Obama are people who have enriched themselves because of the deregulation that allowed them bankrupt the system while robbing it blind. They don't need a personal bailout since they have so much wealth that they have insulated themselves from any hardship. These people are walking away from this meltdown with not just a few million, but hundreds of millions of dollars. They cashed in their stock options long ago and have left the working class suckers and the pension funds who invested their hard earned money in 401's holding the bag.

What is pathetic is watching working class Republicans who are so damn stupid that they continue to support their own destruction. They listen to the likes of Limbaugh, Hannity and the O'Reilly's who are enriching themselves on the backs of these brain dead ditto head nincompoops. The sad thing these dead enders and dragging us down with them. I could care less if these jerks went bankrupt and staved to death. What pisses me off is they are destroying me too.