David Paterson lost us a seat tonight.

[Drunken Irishman]

And now we get to hear over the next week or so how New Yorkers -- from one of the most liberal states in the most liberal region in America -- rebuked Obama.

Fucking great. :eyes:

I'm an idiot and spoke too soon.

Or a genius and totally jinxed Tedisco!

[FrenchieCat]

1. That's what happen when one gets a brain fart,

and the media gets involved more than they needed to.

I'd prefer to have had Caroline Kennedy as senator,
and leave everything else as it was.

But noooooo, couldn't have that. :mad:

[Drunken Irishman]

2. Or at least someone from a liberal area of the state.

He knew this was a risky move, plucking a congresswoman from a very conservative district. That was an open invite to the GOP and they took it.

[CTLawGuy]

6. Murphy just made up about 1000k

now it is

County Precincts Total 588/610

Scott Murphy (Dem) 73,421
50%


James Tedisco(GOP) 73,523
50%


http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2009/by_county/NY_US_House_0331.html?SITE=NYSAR&SECTION=POLITICS

not over yet

[Cha]

3. That would have been too

fucking brilliant.

[FrenchieCat]

9. Too fucking evident......

better to fight and claw our way through it all,
and then when shit happens,
scratch our ass and try to figure out what went wrong.

We do this kind of stoopid shit, time and time again.
Better to grab a gun toting red leaning Democrat and the lose of a seat.
But of course, Caroline said stuff like "You know"....

:argh:

[Cha]

20. Didn't have that Vision thing..

And, there was some real nasty repuke like shit thrown at Caroline Kennedy. Wonder who was responsible for that?

[Barack_America]

8. Eh, good luck trying to overshadow the Obamas first trip to Europe.

They'll try of course, but it's going to be hard to convince people that a Republican winning a Republican district is really more important.

[BlooInBloo]

4. A district with 70,000 more republicans than Democrats, and it's HIS fault the Dem lost?

[Drunken Irishman]

17. That's the problem.

He took a Dem congresswoman out of a seat that Democrats have traditionally lost and left it open for another Democrat to come in and win. That's asking a lot, even for an area that went to Obama in 2008. He should have been more political aware about the demographics there and chosen someone who the Dems could have easily replaced.

[BlooInBloo]

22. Wonder if he'll get the credit if the Dem wins...

:rofl:

Sorry - I dunno what I was thinking there.

[Drunken Irishman]

36. Sure, but was it worth the risk?

It's a stupid move to take a Democrat who found a way to win in a solid Republican district, when he could have found just as many qualified Democrats from safe areas in the state.

Just because the candidate might win doesn't mean the move was any less dumb. I mean, this is what we call pulling a Homer.

[Nite Owl]

5. And we might end up

losing the Senate seat she was given too.

[firedupdem]

7. They started that analogy up early this morning. Caroline

Kennedy would have voted the right way and would have been good for New York in my opinion. This entire mess could have been avoided.

[FrenchieCat]

14. But she said, "You know" too many times!

and she didn't have the "right" kind of experience, they said.
and Lord forbid, she was just a Kennedy, after all!
Who'd want that hanging out around the Senate? :eyes:

She's probably laughing about the utter dumbness of
all of it now.

[MarjorieG]

29. Chuck Schumer didn't want her, distracting from his star, made it all impossible.

[TuxedoKat]

58. Chuck Schumer

The most dangerous place to be? "Fetween Chuck Schumer and a video camera".

[Barack_America]

As I recall, it wasn't David Paterson who began the lynch mob against Caroline Kennedy.

And I'll leave it at that.

But really, losing this seat is not such a big deal.

[NashVegas]

28. Oh, You're Joking

Paterson didn't say anything *publicly* against CK, he wasn't that stupid. But his office leaked like a sieve.

[Barack_America]

31. That was how it ended, not how it began. nt

[tekisui]

10. Gibbs said it best:

Even hours before polls closed, the White House was portraying the vote as a win for Democrats no matter the outcome because of inroads they have made in the district, which has more Republicans registered and a long history, until recently, of electing GOP candidates.

"To even be competitive in a district like that, I think says a lot," press secretary Robert Gibbs told reporters on Air Force One as Obama traveled to London.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jvFtnxqBwuwEltwfNBZytBYwy5HQD979CKH00

[Cha]

11. I was listening to local news tonight

'cause it was on at my sister's..and every 10 minutes there was a Negative ad against Scott Murphy saying he voted with AIG or some such thing. They must have had a lot of money to pour in there for negative ads.

[Mr. Sparkle]

24. It's the republican way. They are a failed ideology and bereft of ideas.

The only way they can win elections, is try and slim their opponents.

[Cha]

27. That's right..and I'm not exaggerating

about the amount of ads that were blared on election day..I can imagine how it was leading up to today.

[Drunken Irishman]

12. Ok, maybe I spoke too soon.

[asphalt.jungle]

13. hehe

hopefully you jinxed it for them.

[CTLawGuy]

15. now murphy is UP by 252

with 3 precincts to go

County Precincts Scott Murphy (Dem) James Tedisco (GOP)
Total 607/610 76,573 50% 76,321 50%

[dflprincess]

25. 252?

Sounds a lot like Minnesota. Good luck New York.

[eleny]

16. Upstate New York is not a liberal region

[TayTay]

21. I saw on the news tonight that the registration rolls skew Republican

The range I saw was a 71K Republican advantage in a district with 400K people. Ah, that is a big disadvantage.

[eleny]

38. Oh yeah, a big disadvantage

Upstate is pretty rural. I guess people see "New York" and figure it's mostly liberal.

[Lavender Brown]

45. It's a hugely random, gerrymandered Republican district.... I live in a bordering district

that is largely Democratic because it includes the cities that the 20th just weaves around. It's so oddly shaped as not to be truly representative of any region. :)

[H2O Man]

55. No, it's not.

There are small pockets of liberals on a largely conservative landscape.

[Thrill]

18. Not over yet

[FrenchieCat]

19. Change your title to "David Paterson MAY HAVE lost us a seat tonight."

[Drunken Irishman]

26. No, cause I jinxed the Repubs with this!

So we gotta keep it up until it's official! ;)

[BeyondGeography]

23. 81 votes up with one precinct to go

Unreal.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2009/by_county/NY_US_House_0331.html?SITE=NYSAR&SECTION=POLITICS

[annabanana]

30. nonsense.. It's astonishing that that district went for Obama....

They are very conservative up that way. There are mostly registered Repugs there. If it's even close it's a slap in the face to the Repugs..

[Drunken Irishman]

33. That is the point.

The biggest complaint I have with Paterson is that he took a Democrat from an area where Democrats don't win, instead of finding a Democrat from a safe area. IF Murphy loses, that's one less seat in the house now the Democrats have. Yeah, it's just one, but it's one that shouldn't have become open in the first place.

[PBS Poll-435]

32. Thank you for jinxing Teh Disco.

How far in advance do people cast their absentee ballots in an election like this?

Murphy wasn't really surging until about 2 weeks ago.


:bitingnails:

[saltpoint]

34. Steele likely was counting on a victory swing after tonight but

it could be that the voters of that district will be denying him that photo-op.

It's a mighty close call up there, from the Albany news web sites. A few thousand votes still to count, Murphy now up by a few dozen votes.

Damn!

[Robbins]

35. NY-20

This IS a cosnervate Districk although Obama carried It In 2008.Murphy could pull It off still very narrowly.

If he doesn't get ready for Republicans to spin It as a rebuke of Obama even through whoever wins It will be a narrow margain,and
Obama didn't campagin.

At one point Murphy was thought to surely lose and he will eather narrorly win or narrorly lose.

If he does win Michael Steele Is the real loser.

If Murphy loses Paterson Is the big loser.Another reason Patterson Is a goner If Andrew Curmo runs for Governor.

[Drunken Irishman]

42. It's going to be the battle of the spin.

My fear is that the media will spin against Obama, since they've been like sharks circling their prey.

[BeyondGeography]

37. Drunken Irishman lost his mind tonight

It's ok, man. I was feeling your pain.

[Drunken Irishman]

40. Wouldn't be the first time, nor the last.

[Danger Mouse]

39. May I interest you in a heaping serving of crow?

[Drunken Irishman]

41. Wait until it's official and then I'll gladly eat it.

[BlooInBloo]

43. :) No biggie. It'll never match the Seabiscuit thread.

:P

[Drunken Irishman]

44. Yes, that was the greatest thread ever.

Especially the cover.

"OH I WAS JUST JOKING!"

haha

[Cha]

46. Yeah, I'd rather be

all bummed out 'cause we thought we lost and then are wrong than think we're going to win and find out we have a 8 year nightmare in front of us:(

[Occam Bandage]

47. WIPEOUT!!! 35% reporting in Indiana: Clinton up by 14points!

[BlooInBloo]

48. Nothing like re-living the good times....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=5847583

[PBS Poll-435]

49. Winning Indiana is a fucking valuable thing

(facepalm) - :P


I am so glad that I was DisDUconnected during that thread.

[tishaLA]

52. how did I miss that thread?

that was a thing of beauty.

[BlooInBloo]

53. Aw shit - you missed out tiger. That was some true fun.

[bertman]

50. I heard there's a rumor that Murphy put in a call to Norm Coleman to see if he could

borrow Norm's legal team. Just in case.


:evilgrin:

[BlooInBloo]

54. Indeed, an ex parte motion was filed before the polls even closed by the state republican party...

with the goal of overturning the election, if it doesn't come out right for them.

[bertman]

59. No kidding?? I was being facetious. But why would I be surprised.

[liskddksil]

51. No matter what happens with this race

I sure will be voting for whoever runs against Patterson and Gillibrand in a primary.

[ErinBerin84]

56. it was funny

Because Michael Steele was the first person Tedisco "thanked" when he spoke to his supporters, but when a local newsguy pulled him aside to interview him and asked when the RNC helped or hurt, he was like "Oh, they helped. I don't think they hurt, but...But my campaign got better when I took charge of it."

Even my local news was saying that because Murphy is narrowly ahead before absentee ballots, it is bad news for the Republican party even if they eek out a win.

[lolamio]

57. Even with this close outcome, I am still frustrated with Patterson...

We could have avoided all of this if he had just appointed Cuomo from the start. The Kennedy fiasco, this special election - none of this would have happened if Patterson had just used his head. I remember hearing early on what great political instincts he had. I have yet to see any evidence of that. Furthermore, I'll never forgive him if Pataki runs against Gillibrand and defeats her. The only hope I see as a New Yorker is that Cuomo runs in the primary against Patterson for governor and defeats him. Otherwise, Patterson is a lost cause in the 2010 elections and the state Democratic Party could be in trouble.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

60. hey Murphy won the votes last night by 65