PHOTOS G20 Protests - Bloody Hell. Literally.

[Jackeens]

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[bdamomma]

1. they don't fear their government that is for sure.

[avaistheone1]

34. WTF! When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government

there is tyranny.”

-Thomas Jefferson

[Binka]

2. Mother Of God! Those Pigs Gotta Protect Their Capital Master's Eh?

Fucking assholes. Mother Fucking Assholes.

[sharp_stick]

3. Yeah none of it

is the fault of the guys pushing police lines is it? I envy your ability to see life in such black and white, it would be so simple then.

[monmouth]

10. And what exactly, are they accomplishing? I don't get it....n/t

[Binka]

28. You And Cali Both

Poor things and with the hate meme hey BTW Cali...oh Cali...POOR Cali...where would DU be without your fucking whining?

[cali]

35. whining? Learn to use a dictionary, binkykins.

And sorry, dearie. I support the protests. I've participated in dozens of them. I don't support people who endanger those of us who are trying to peacefully protest. I don't support cops when they set things up for violence or overreact. Common sense, really. Not that you'd recognize anything to do with sense or intelligence if it came up and kicked you in the butt.

[sharp_stick]

82. WTF

hate meme? jeez the fricking loserdom around here is getting pathetic. And where the hell did I mention Cali? You may want to check the dosage on those meds, I can't tell if you're taking too much or too little but soemthing it totally fucked up in that cerebral cortex.

[Binka]

25. I Envy You Nothing

Stupidity Is Pathetic.

[cali]

indeed. and combined with hate, it's even worse.

you demonstrated that quite well in this thread.

[cali]

9. wtf? I've been watching this most of the morning and the cops

are being quite restrained. And please note the number of cops who are doing the bleeding in those shots.

[Enrique]

13. they're protecting the protestors as well

if the cops weren't there it would be less safe for the protestors.

[Politicub]

4. What are they protesting? The summit?

I haven't been following this closely this morning.

[npk]

7. Attention Whores

Most of them anyway. Cause violence and destruction and then pretend you are outraged.

[Runcible Spoon]

15. That's a disgusting comment.

I know how it's hard to believe that people actually detest the destruction unchecked capitalism has wreaked on the planet since you're in the US, but in other parts of the world people are actually AWARE.

Enjoy your armchair "activism" while the real harbingers for change bleed in the streets for you.

[Barack_America]

21. I've noticed how carefully selected many of the protesters' outfits were...

They could've been in a Diesel photo shoot.

Many of the protesters look quite legitimate (i.e. the global warming protesters shown in the other thread), however many more are just there for the attention, excitement and fashion show.

It's basically to be expected with any "big" event and I see no harm in calling out the fakers, like the woman I mentioned who appears to have bandaged her own head for the cameras.

[Runcible Spoon]

33. You have 0 credibility in questioning anyone's motives.

The fact that you are baselessly judging what they wear makes that pretty obvious.

[Barack_America]

47. Lol. "Protest" fashion is quite popular in Europe.

And has been for some time.

Diesel Is Smokin'
But can its provocative ads keep sales growth hot?

Picture this: an advertisement showing an edgy street scene of angry young demonstrators. The grainy black-and-white photo calls up images of anti-globalization clashes in capitals around the world. But instead of shouldering placards proclaiming "Death to the World Trade Organization," the protesters carry banners with whimsical slogans such as "Share Your Bathwater" and "Respect Your Mother." There's no corporate logo, just some fine print directing viewers to a Web site: Diesel.com...

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/03_03/b3816133.htm

[Runcible Spoon]

52. Where in the article does it say that the G20 protestors are Diesel models?

It's just an article about edgy ads. Big deal.

So which protesters are the Diesel models? How many of them? I will grant you that Diesel may have paid, what, maybe 10 models to wear their jeans while protesting.

That doesn't really mean that a significant number of protesters are there merely to shill jeans. To suggest that is disingenuous.

[Barack_America]

61. When did I claim that there were paid Diesel models at the protests?

That is absurd.

ETA: People like to emulate "edgy ads".

:think:

[Runcible Spoon]

65. Uhuh. So you call them fakers, link to an article about Diesel ads,

and then act shocked SHOCKED I TELL YA! when I call you out on it.

Oh wow, they're dressed kinda trendy! It's not like it's LONDON or anything. If you're admitting that you don't think they are Diesel models then we're back to square one: you have 0 evidence or credibility to question the protesters' sincerity or motivation. There, that was easy.

Anyway, I said I was done since there's no point trying to argue with someone who needs to rely on ad homs, disingenuous rhetorical labyrinths, and trite overuse of smilies to get their "points" across. So yes, I'm done on this thread. Gratz, you "win".

[Barack_America]

69. I said that "protest fashion" is popular.

So popular that Diesel has used it as a marketing tool.

Any suggestion that there were actual Diesel models at the protests are yours alone.

[npk]

43. Oh please

Most of those people in that crowd are only interested in creating a spectacle. When you cause violence and destruction you automatically lose the argument "we're all about change." Are there some people in that crowd really concerned about change and issues, of course there are. Most however are there for the show and some to take part in that show. If there were no cameras there, there would be about 100 people there really concerned.

This isn't an attack on you, but I wonder where all these holiday and weekend warriors are when I cover city council meetings, town hall debates and real education forums. Oh wait I know where they are, there at home watching American Idol, or some other BS television show. You know how many people attend regular debates that I cover, about ten, that's it. But when you announce that the G20 SUMMIT is coming to town well that brings all of the real "arm chair" warriors out of the crowd and gives them a reason to cause disruption and violence.

But I'm sorry I didn't mean to rain on anyone's parade. By all means back to the "PIG" bashing.

[avaistheone1]

37. What an ignorant comment. They are protesting globalization.

Keeping poor nations in poverty. They are protesting the system that does this including the IMF.
They are protesting the exploitation of workers, and how corporations offshore jobs in their race to the bottom - whether that means employing children or slaves. They are protesting the wealth transfer throughout the world from the poor and the middle class to the bankers and the super wealthy.

If you just read mainstream media you will never know much of anything.

[npk]

45. I'm sure some are there for the reason you just listed

Most however are there to cause disruption and violence. I didn't say everybody there was a whore, just most.

[avaistheone1]

50. No, most adults don't take the time and expense to go to London,

lose their day's wage to get their heads kicked in. There are plenty of other opportunities for that.

It's time the world faced up to the problems of globalization, rather than comforting themselves with simplistic explanations why people are protesting at the G20.

[Barack_America]

57. Is that why Russell Brand was there?

Celebs add support to protests
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5jR37j5jMKy7zgcImLJZ9UX5Oh4lA

Notice the focus on what he was wearing.

:eyes:

Please, it was an event that drew just as many people looking to say they were there as it did people with a real message to communicate.

[avaistheone1]

64. You certainly are one to miss the forest for the trees.

Russell Brand said:

'"I always come to these kind of things, I'm very interested. I am interested in learning and interested in why these people have come to this. I wonder what alternatives there are and I think it makes people cogent of them. I think it's also very beautiful," he said.'

He goes to these protests because he is looking for alternatives and to learn. Maybe you should do the same, rather than criticizing the actor for what is wearing. His mind is open. Yours is not. Brand looks perfectly appropriate to me.

[Barack_America]

74. Considering you mentioned it, what is "appropriate" attire for a protest?

What would be right vs. wrong fashion for such an event?

I personally don't recall mentioning what Brand was wearing.

I am not the author of the article I linked.

It is my belief that fashion is a big part of why many attend these protests. That the author covering the protests made a point to describe what Brand was wearing attests to that, I believe. Many are there to protest, and many, like Brand, are there to see the spectacle unfold and to appreciate the "beauty" of it.

[avaistheone1]

77. You are the one who highlighted that comment from the article, not

me. Why did you call out those comments about clothing as important?

Brand said:

"I always come to these kind of things, I'm very interested. I am interested in learning and interested in why these people have come to this. I wonder what alternatives there are and I think it makes people cogent of them. I think it's also very beautiful," he said.

Is it not beautiful when people express what they feel, be it in historically in Selma or today at the G20?

[Barack_America]

80. Yes. For some reason "fashion" seems to be quite central to these events.

As the article suggested by making a point to highlight what Brand was wearing and as you suggested by deeming his attire "appropriate".

I made no criticism of what Brand wore, I merely pointed out that the author mentioned it.

[Barack_America]

8. Some are protesting capitalism and legitimate wrongs...

Others are probably using it as a stage for performance art.

It's a show for political causes and fashion.

[avaistheone1]

30. Globalization. Keeping the poor, poor.

And taking the middle class and working class to poverty

[Barack_America]

5. That woman's head was bandaged before she encountered the police medic.

The first picture in that series appears to be the last picture in the post.

How bizarre.

[backscatter712]

6. I hate pigs.

I really do.

I'm sure the pig-lover apologists will be all over this thread in a minute. Let me give them a preemptive fuck-you!

[cali]

11. right back at you. And may it be excruciatingly painful.

[Enrique]

12. why do you hate them?

[backscatter712]

22. Bad experiences with them.

I'd rather not discuss it here.

I'm sure I'm not the first who's had a really bad experience with the police, and won't be the last...

[Enrique]

24. I guess it's none of the pig-lover apologists' business

ok I'll butt out.

[BeyondGeography]

17. Until you need one, that is

Try not to generalize. It's unhealthy.

[Runcible Spoon]

20. Fine, we'll stop generalizing when the cops do.

Racial profiling, DWB, etc

[Barack_America]

26. Um, that's more generalization. ALL cops do that?

Granted, it's not acceptable that ANY cops do that and it must stop. But to insinuate that cops in general do it, is just not fair.

[Runcible Spoon]

32. Enough cops do it that I can generalize, yes.

I guess the ACLU is overreacting, too? :eyes:

[Barack_America]

41. Enough DUers are freeper trolls that it's okay if I consider you a freeper troll?

Using your logic (I don't believe you are, of course).

I don't recall reading that the ACLU assumes ALL police officers engage in racial profiling. Could you provide the link?

[Runcible Spoon]

46. Generalizing is not based on all or nothing.

Generalization is the establishment of recognizable and predictable trends, and in this case it's a well-established and problematic trend. It has prompted many lawsuits and reforms in procedural code.

The troll analogy doesn't really work since there is effectively no objective criterion for being a troll, or if there is DUers are not applying a universal standard for identifying trolls.

[Barack_America]

51. Lol. And yet referencing British cops controlling crowds of angry white kids as "pigs"...

Because of America's problem with racial profiling is applicable?

:rofl:

[Runcible Spoon]

54. If you can't follow the discussion, don't bother replying.

:eyes:

The discussion was about cops in general, not just these specific police.

Way to follow the logical progression of the subthread.

Oh yes, and racial profiling doesn't occur in England at ALL now does it.

[Barack_America]

58. "Logical". Not the word that I would choose to describe your posts in this thread.

But carry on...

And btw, nice dodge.

:rofl:

[Runcible Spoon]

59. OK. That's pretty much the end of any discussion here.

You have been reduced to ad homs and posting rofl smilies. That's pretty much the intellectual bottom of the barrel.

Ciao.

[Barack_America]

Toodles. nt

[Enrique]

81. you misunderstand the ACLU

they don't hate cops, generalize about them or call them pigs. They research specific abuses and sue specific police departments and advocate specific reforms.

[Jackeens]

14. SHOULD I DELETE THIS THREAD?

I don't want to inflame the place!

[Barack_America]

16. Nah. It's important to discuss what these people are doing, for or against.

And it's going to happen, either on this thread or another.

Might as well let it fly. If it gets too hot the mods can lock it.

[Jackeens]

18. Okay, thanks.

[Jennicut]

56. Jackeens, protest is healthy and a good thing when its allowed.

Protest that turns violent for no reason is terrible. Hopefully neither the police nor the protesters will get too out of hand.

[Bluenorthwest]

38. You seem to claim a profound understanding of 'these people'

You seem almost as good as Bill Frist at long distance discernment of hearts and minds via photographs of faces.

[Barack_America]

53. "These people" would be "the people" in the crowd...

Who seem to have a myriad of reasons for being there.

That is, as I recall, all that I have "claimed".

[Runcible Spoon]

19. No, it's the most important thing you've ever posted on DU.

[Jackeens]

23. What, more important than the puppy photos?

:yoiks:

[Binka]

27. PIG Photos

[DevonRex]

68. Absolutely not. This is important. We can't close our eyes to it.

While I agree with the protest, I don't like the policemen all being labeled as pigs. Protests get violent. That's just the way it is. The protesters know that before they go and are willing to face the consequences. Most are good, brave people. A few like to cause trouble. Most of the policemen are good folks and a few are too quick to respond with force.

[ericgtr]

29. Had they lived for 8 years under Bush they would be a little more numb thngs fucking up there

This is terrible and I hate seeing people get hurt, I just think they've enjoyed not living in a country whose leaders aren't tyrranous, evil doers and when something goes bad on them it has more of an impact.

[DU9598]

31. #19 - Is that Amy Winehouse?

She does live in London. I appreciate their passion, but it seems misplaced to me.

[Runcible Spoon]

36. Why is protesting globalism and neoliberal economics "misplaced"?

:shrug:

[avaistheone1]

42. Because most people are stupid that is why they find it misplaced.

Just like people who supported NAFTA thought those of us who were angry and opposed it were misplaced. They had no idea what NAFTA was --- only what their TV set told them what it was.

[Jackeens]

40. No, it's not Amy, but Russell Brand was there

ie the English comedian who called Bush a "retarded cowboy" at the 2008 MTV awards.

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/music/article4703539.ece

[jenmito]

39. Yet not one picture of Obama with horns or anything negative written across it. n/t

[Sebastian Doyle]

44. The police are just doing their jobs.

Tony Blair's Labour Party realizes the same thing we do - that we must protect the bankers and the investor class first and foremost, in order for prosperity to survive. These Naderite "progressive" protestors serve no legitimate purpose.

[Runcible Spoon]

48. DLC serves no legitimate purpose

Unless you happen to be a corporate lobbyist of course.

[Sebastian Doyle]

49. I am NOT a corporate lobbyist so stop saying that!

And the DLC very much serves a legitimate purpose. We are the heart and soul of the Democratic Party. :)

[Runcible Spoon]

55. The heart and soul? That's sad.

The party is even more forgone than I had thought. :evilfrown:

[Sebastian Doyle]

60. Don't be sad, my friend

We are moving boldly into a New American Century, and the enlightened path of the Third Way will lead us there.

[Runcible Spoon]

62. Edit: thanks for the PM you punk :D

I'm gonna get you for this next year!

Ya can't DO that on DU...you were waaaay too realistic!

[Binka]

63. Hey Heart & Soul Welcome To Ignore

[avaistheone1]

75. The DLC is the heart and soul of the Democratic Party? Oh my!!

:rofl:


You mean the shills for the greediest, of the greedy corporations. That is more like it. :rofl:

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

76. I gotta tell ya. I've read your posts before.

I'm not buying it. Unless...... OMG THEY GOT TO YOU TOO!!!!!!

[DevonRex]

66. Not all cops are good. Not all protesters are good. Stop the labeling, folks.

Protests sometimes get violent. The protesters are doing their thing and the cops have to do their jobs.

[avaistheone1]

67. Sorry, most protestors are not violent.

The police have all the weapons of state in their control. We saw at the RNC and at the DNC that the cops are not fair at all. Look at what happened to Amy Goodman. Was she violent?

[DevonRex]

71. Don't know why you want to argue when I never said that. Read it again.

[avaistheone1]

73. Perhaps you could clarify good cop and good protestor then.

[DevonRex]

78. I agree with the protest and I'm glad they're doing it. They know going in

that violence will erupt. It's just part of large protests. It's unfortunate. But that's why they are brave.

Nobody knows exactly who starts what. That's also part of large protests. Good policemen aren't quick to respond with force. Good protesters don't use force.

There is always somebody, on one side or the other, who goes too far. Once that happens everyone is drawn into a bloody mess, good cops and good protesters alike. It's just a fact of life.

[Binka]

70. Don't Give Up Your Day Job HallMark's Shitty Cards Don't Need Anymore Writers

Bye Bye.

[DevonRex]

72. Wow. What a really strange reply.

[EC]

79. Good thing that at least their medical bills are covered

here it would cost us an arm and a leg if we got beat up at a protest...