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masuki bance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 01:39 AM
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Holder pushes more federal marijuana prosecutions
Edited on Sat Apr-04-09 01:46 AM by masuki bance

Mexican and U.S. Attorneys General Confer to Strengthen Cooperation on Drug Violence

By GINGER THOMPSON
Published: April 3, 2009

MEXICO CITY — At the end of two days of meetings with Mexican officials, Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. said that cooperation between the United States and Mexico was stronger and “fundamentally different than that which existed in the past.”

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But he added: “What is at stake is the ability of Mexico to keep peace and tranquillity for its citizens. That is why our objective is not ending drug trafficking. It is to remove power from these groups and remove their ability to seize and to kidnap our right to live in peace.”

Talking about the efforts of Mexican law enforcement officials to end the drug trade, Mr. Holder pounded his hand on the table and said, “People have to understand this, people really have to get this: they are putting their lives on the line in a fundamental way.”

In their meetings with Mr. Calderón, Mr. Holder and the secretary of homeland security, Janet Napolitano, discussed plans to provide training to Mexican canine teams, and to increase cooperation between the United States Coast Guard and the Mexican Navy to stop the increasing numbers of illegal immigrants and drug smugglers using the Pacific Ocean as a result of increased enforcement along the land border.

“We are going to operate almost like a vise,” Ms. Napolitano said of the United States and Mexico, after the meeting with Mr. Calderón. “We’re going to take out the cartels that have been plaguing our communities for far too long.”

In the interview, Mr. Holder said he was sending an additional 100 agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to the southern border to crack down on the so-called straw gun purchases — in which one person submits to the federal background checks to obtain guns for someone else — that fuel much of the southbound smuggling. And with marijuana sales central to the drug trade, Mr. Holder said he was exploring ways to lower the minimum amount required for the federal prosecution of possession cases.

“The reality of the level of cooperation that now exists is fundamentally different from that which existed in the past,” he said. The current Mexican administration, he said, was “in a fundamentally different place, and the possibilities of cooperation, as a result, are substantially greater, and they will show results.”

Mr. Medina-Mora said Mexico and the United States were working on ways to cooperate in the investigation and prosecution of smuggling and violent crimes, so that when there was a choice of jurisdiction, trials would be held in the country with the toughest applicable laws and penalties.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/04/world/americas/04mexico.html?_r=2&partner=rss&emc=rss


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Liberalalltheway Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 01:45 AM
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1. bad idea, hopefully Obama talks him out of that
What is this guy thinking? He wants to put more people in jail for weed?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 01:54 AM
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3. Are you sure? Welcome to DU, I think, for awhile.
What is this guy thinking? WHAT are you thinking about Holder? Should he or shouldn't he do his job? Welcome, newbie, I can't wait!
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Liberalalltheway Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 02:00 AM
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4. Thanx
Holder isn't gonna do anything to Mexican Cartels my jailing college kids caught with weed. I thought he was smarter than that. He needs to investigate government officials at the boarder that help these cartels. They have to have someone working in Boarder Patrol and other departments.
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 04:04 AM
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11. This One's Full Of "Concern"
Though not really under the RADAR...
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 11:37 AM
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33. Way to leave a vaguely threatening message to someone who's respectfully voiced an opinion
with which you disagree!

"Welcome to DU, I think, for awhile."

:puke:

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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 04:32 PM
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37. are you kidding?
Sure Holder should do his job. He can start by going after the war criminals that this country is harboring.

As far as the Mexican cartels, the best way to end them is to end prohibition and let people grow their own. Same as it was with alcohol. Jailing people for possessing a couple joints isn't going to do an effing thing to stop the cartels.
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Liberalalltheway Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 01:45 AM
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2. bad idea, hopefully Obama talks him out of that
What is this guy thinking? He wants to put more people in jail for weed?
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 02:04 AM
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5. If Holder wasn't a turd,
he'd be after cheney-bush war crimes 24X7

What a waste of skin he is.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 10:41 AM
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24. Stay classy!
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 02:08 AM
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7. Mexican and U.S. Attorneys General Confer to Strengthen Cooperation on Drug Violence
Try to "speak truth 2 power" instead of posting flaming headlines. One sentence doesn't make an article.
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masuki bance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 02:15 AM
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9. You have the right to post whatever you'd like.
I find my own ledes.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 02:43 AM
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10. Holder is handling this pretty well. Where Cartels are involve we shiuld have a low threshold.
Too many people believe that decriminalizing pot for domestic use would dry up this border problem and they are wrong.

The cartels trade in much more than marijuana, but since that is one of their products, I have no problem that Holder is "exploring ways to lower the minimum amount required for the federal prosecution of possession cases."

More power to him.

:patriot:
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LooseWilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 05:26 AM
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15. Criminalization of marijuana is asinine.
Hell, I'll add psilosybine shrooms to that list of asinine too. My argument? Holland. They legalized both... and they're doing just fine.

As far as the OP is concerned... legalize marijuana, you take a bite out of the crime... and the profits.
A bigger bite than any single seizure could dream of.

Arguments over Mexican Brown Heroin... or whatever... sure (I personally say legalize it all... but then again I don't think criminalization really helps anyone... partly because I think cops and the legal system are rife with assholes...)

Lowering the minimum amount for federal prosecution will just land more "mules" in prison... not stop the trafficking. Do any of you really think the "mules" aren't easily replaceable?... if they weren't, they wouldn't be "mules".
Why is a dumb approach to drugs ok even when a dumb approach to war has been shown to be idiotic? I'm so confused...
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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 07:56 AM
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18. I think he was referring to "posession with the intent to distribute"
Anyway, I can't find corroboration for that...
I'm very skeptical, will try to get more info about that interview.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 09:32 AM
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20. Precisely, also the difference between domestic and foreign possessors.
Huge difference, much as many would like to blur the distinction, we can easily decriminalize domestic cultivation and distribution while still being tough as nails on those who participate in the international marijuana trade.

:donut:
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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 10:16 AM
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22. And for anyone with an attention span longer than 2 weeks, Holder has
signaled to respect state laws wrt medical marijuana and decriminalization.
All I can say is, almost every time I read a "WTF Obama" post, it takes about 5 minutes to figure out that there's something critical they're overlooking.

I guess it comes down to perceptions, and if I read something negative about Cheney for example, I'm not as critical as I should be, if you know what I mean.
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masuki bance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 11:27 AM
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32. "... That is why our objective is not ending drug trafficking.."
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 04:06 AM
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12. idiot! needs a remedial logic class
Edited on Sat Apr-04-09 04:08 AM by eShirl
re: "And with marijuana sales central to the drug trade, Mr. Holder said he was exploring ways to lower the minimum amount required for the federal prosecution of possession cases."

:crazy:

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grannie4peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 04:27 AM
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13. NO, NO, NO!!!!!
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 04:40 AM
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14. Legalize marijuana like other drugs such as alcohol and tobacco.
Release the marijuana offenders.
We have so much death, destruction and misery from drugs because they are illegal in the first place. There are better ways to handle addiction than locking people up for longer periods of time than murders and rapists.
Alcohol prohibition didn't work and prohibition for other drugs will?
Lets quit diddling with the symptoms and get to work on the fundamental cause of the drug problem. Legalese and regulate. Take the money out of it. Never happen because our government finances wars from drug money the way things are now.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 09:48 AM
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21. And importing alcohol and tobacco from Mexico without license?
Also, not legal and for good reason.

People are failing to make a distinction between Billy's 40 acres in Gualala and the Mexican Mafia and Drug cartels.

For Christ's sake.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 07:33 AM
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16. Now that he's arranged to keep the whole of Bushco safe
Holder turns his atavistic eye to jailing more people for owning a plant. The people are asking for legalization, the administration laughs and increases prosecutions. What a load of undemocratic fools. Just fools. They are replaying Nixon policy, Operation Intercept Redoux.
At least Stevens and Cheney and Rumsfled can breath easy with Holder in charge of 'looking forward' and jailing minority mules and smokers.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 11:23 AM
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31. Really - Holder's priorities suck!
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Flying Dream Blues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 07:52 AM
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17. Lowering the minimum req'd for federal prosecution is a bad idea. Really bad. nt
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 08:31 AM
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19. Eric Holder has a reputation as a dedicated Drug Warrior. What did you expect? nt
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 11:07 AM
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29. I agree. When he was named I was wondering why the pro-legalization
crowd (and believe me, I agree with that too) weren't having a cow.
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Massacure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 10:40 AM
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23. Cannabis should be moved from a schedule I substance to a schedule III substance.
It's hilarious in a grim sort of way that the government list cocaine and heroin as schedule II because they have a high potential for abuse and only a small amount of medicinal value and yet list cannabis as schedule I with even higher abuse potential and no medicinal value. Cannabis has more medicinal value than either cocaine or heroin with far less risk.

The Controlled Substances Act allows the FDA to schedule drugs as it sees fit without an act of Congress. I certainly doubt it would cost Obama much political capital to downgrade cannabis.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 10:44 AM
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25. Hmm...taking out the cartels is important, but...
it's also important to make sure (more or less) innocent people aren't faced with federal prosecution because they like to toke. Therefore, I'm somewhat skeptical of this.
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cbc5g Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 10:50 AM
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26. He couldn't have been serious about that
lowing the amount to be required for prosecution of mere possession? WTF Obama?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 04:24 PM
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 11:02 AM
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28. Oh yeah, that's the answer...
What a BONEHEAD!
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 11:09 AM
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30. He lets the creepy Alaskan off, fails to prosecute Bush & Co...
...but goes after pot?? WTF???????
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endless october Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 04:07 PM
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34. mr. holder,
if you want to "remove power from these groups and remove their ability to seize and to kidnap our right to live in peace," then end the fucking drug war.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 04:25 PM
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36. I should be surprsed, but I'm not
Appalled and disgusted, yed. Surprised? No.
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 04:40 PM
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38. legalization would take
the wind out of their (Drug cartel) sails,now wouldn't it?
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