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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 07:36 AM
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Obama delivers his most significant speech to date. In Prague:
Here's part of it:

"Such fatalism is a deadly adversary.
If we believe the spread of NW is inevitable, then in some way we are admitting to ourselves that the use of nuclear weapons is inevitable.
Just as we stood for freedom in the 20th century, we must stand together for the right for people everywhere to live free from fear in the 21st century.
And as the only nuclear power to have used nuclear weapon, the US has a moral responsibility to act.
We cannot succeed in this endeavor alone, but we can lead.
We can start it.
And so today I state clearly and with conviction America's commitment to seek the peace and security of a world without nuclear weapons.
I'm not naive.
This goal will not be reach quickly, perhaps not in my lifetime.
It will take patience and persistence.
But now we too must ignore the voices that say we cannot change.
We must insist, yes we can."

Here's the CNN story, with video as well:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/04/05/czech.republic.obama/index.html#cnnSTCText

And anyone who decides to post anything on this thread unrelated to the speech that's negative about Obama, I'll just assume it's because you love nuclear warfare.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 07:44 AM
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1. I would like to think it could be achieved in his lifetime
But he is probably right...we have to change many things first to achieve that goal.
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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 08:12 AM
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4. I think countries cannot avoid becoming more interdependent,
and to the extent that nation-states are interdependent, I believe global zero would be realistic if non-state actors didn't exist.

I'm really curious how you deal with, beyond Iran or N Korea (which seem like big enough challenges as it is) non-state actors that are funded, say, by corporations.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 09:28 AM
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8. Well let's face it the corporations are the beast.
And they do dominate the world.
at some point we will have to deal with this question.
And at some point we will have to return to an agrarian based system and stop consuming the resources of the world.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 07:46 AM
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2. Certainly, The Money That Goes to Nukes Could Be Better Spent
On yachts for bankers.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 07:58 AM
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3. And don't forget
Edited on Sun Apr-05-09 08:04 AM by JTFrog
PONIES!!!






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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 08:21 AM
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5. Oh cool, I didn't know you were so into nuclear destruction... that's cool.
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 08:59 AM
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6. I gotta think the RW will be railing on this one
Edited on Sun Apr-05-09 08:59 AM by rurallib
gotta be able to blow the earth up 700 times over
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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 09:39 AM
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9. Besides an AP article, I can't find any stories of it on conservative news sources..
still looking
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 09:04 AM
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7. I'm too tired to watch the full of it now, but I'm looking forward to it. I hear its wonderful
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 10:01 AM
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10. CSPAN speech now.
That's a lot of people. This is a proud moment for all of America.

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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 10:53 AM
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11. I agree that this is a very important speech
and it was incredible to watch the crowd. It's good to see a president who has peaceful ideas that are met by enthusiastic crowds. As Goebbles said, "the people never want war" and this is the first leader IIRC to say let's get rid of them all!
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 11:06 AM
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12. So, does that mean we're going after cheney and halliburton for their
enabling of the A.Q. Kahn network? We really need to clean up our own house first.

And then Russia. What about all the nuclear material that went missing after the collapse of the old Soviet Union?

The man made a brilliant speech on a topic that holds dangers for all of mankind. But what do we do?
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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 12:56 AM
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13. Well, Obama's speech was also an outline of what we will do. Here is the transcript:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/05/obama-prague-speech-on-nu_n_183219.html

This part of the speech directly followed the "yes we can" line I quoted above.


Now, let me describe to you the trajectory we need to be on. First, the United States will take concrete steps towards a world without nuclear weapons. To put an end to Cold War thinking, we will reduce the role of nuclear weapons in our national security strategy, and urge others to do the same. Make no mistake: As long as these weapons exist, the United States will maintain a safe, secure and effective arsenal to deter any adversary, and guarantee that defense to our allies -- including the Czech Republic. But we will begin the work of reducing our arsenal.

To reduce our warheads and stockpiles, we will negotiate a new Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty with the Russians this year. (Applause.) President Medvedev and I began this process in London, and will seek a new agreement by the end of this year that is legally binding and sufficiently bold. And this will set the stage for further cuts, and we will seek to include all nuclear weapons states in this endeavor.

To achieve a global ban on nuclear testing, my administration will immediately and aggressively pursue U.S. ratification of the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty. (Applause.) After more than five decades of talks, it is time for the testing of nuclear weapons to finally be banned.

And to cut off the building blocks needed for a bomb, the United States will seek a new treaty that verifiably ends the production of fissile materials intended for use in state nuclear weapons. If we are serious about stopping the spread of these weapons, then we should put an end to the dedicated production of weapons-grade materials that create them. That's the first step.

Second, together we will strengthen the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty as a basis for cooperation.

The basic bargain is sound: Countries with nuclear weapons will move towards disarmament, countries without nuclear weapons will not acquire them, and all countries can access peaceful nuclear energy. To strengthen the treaty, we should embrace several principles. We need more resources and authority to strengthen international inspections. We need real and immediate consequences for countries caught breaking the rules or trying to leave the treaty without cause.

And we should build a new framework for civil nuclear cooperation, including an international fuel bank, so that countries can access peaceful power without increasing the risks of proliferation. That must be the right of every nation that renounces nuclear weapons, especially developing countries embarking on peaceful programs. And no approach will succeed if it's based on the denial of rights to nations that play by the rules. We must harness the power of nuclear energy on behalf of our efforts to combat climate change, and to advance peace opportunity for all people.


But we go forward with no illusions. Some countries will break the rules. That's why we need a structure in place that ensures when any nation does, they will face consequences.

Just this morning, we were reminded again of why we need a new and more rigorous approach to address this threat. North Korea broke the rules once again by testing a rocket that could be used for long range missiles. This provocation underscores the need for action -- not just this afternoon at the U.N. Security Council, but in our determination to prevent the spread of these weapons.

Rules must be binding. Violations must be punished. Words must mean something. The world must stand together to prevent the spread of these weapons. Now is the time for a strong international response -- (applause) -- now is the time for a strong international response, and North Korea must know that the path to security and respect will never come through threats and illegal weapons. All nations must come together to build a stronger, global regime. And that's why we must stand shoulder to shoulder to pressure the North Koreans to change course.

Iran has yet to build a nuclear weapon. My administration will seek engagement with Iran based on mutual interests and mutual respect. We believe in dialogue. (Applause.) But in that dialogue we will present a clear choice. We want Iran to take its rightful place in the community of nations, politically and economically. We will support Iran's right to peaceful nuclear energy with rigorous inspections. That's a path that the Islamic Republic can take. Or the government can choose increased isolation, international pressure, and a potential nuclear arms race in the region that will increase insecurity for all.

So let me be clear: Iran's nuclear and ballistic missile activity poses a real threat, not just to the United States, but to Iran's neighbors and our allies. The Czech Republic and Poland have been courageous in agreeing to host a defense against these missiles. As long as the threat from Iran persists, we will go forward with a missile defense system that is cost-effective and proven. (Applause.) If the Iranian threat is eliminated, we will have a stronger basis for security, and the driving force for missile defense construction in Europe will be removed. (Applause.)

So, finally, we must ensure that terrorists never acquire a nuclear weapon. This is the most immediate and extreme threat to global security. One terrorist with one nuclear weapon could unleash massive destruction. Al Qaeda has said it seeks a bomb and that it would have no problem with using it. And we know that there is unsecured nuclear material across the globe. To protect our people, we must act with a sense of purpose without delay.

So today I am announcing a new international effort to secure all vulnerable nuclear material around the world within four years. We will set new standards, expand our cooperation with Russia, pursue new partnerships to lock down these sensitive materials.

We must also build on our efforts to break up black markets, detect and intercept materials in transit, and use financial tools to disrupt this dangerous trade. Because this threat will be lasting, we should come together to turn efforts such as the Proliferation Security Initiative and the Global Initiative to Combat Nuclear Terrorism into durable international institutions. And we should start by having a Global Summit on Nuclear Security that the United States will host within the next year.

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 01:03 AM
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14. Just him saying those words makes it among the most important speeches...
Since WWII.
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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 01:16 AM
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15. Other Presidents have called for nuclear arms reduction, including Reagan, but this is way more!
How long do you think it will take for the media to consider this policy shift to be a real story?

Probably a year.

I love how Obama keeps pushing Republicans into the naysayer corner.
The party of "No we can't" says (Josh Bolton and others) that Obama's nuclear arms strategy is a silly, dangerous dream.
Obama's counter-position is that accepting a role for nuclear weapons in our world is tantamount to accepting that they'll be used.

Obama keeps on being bold and leader-like.
Republicans keep on doubting and foot-dragging.
I keep on wavering between mild amusement and righteous delight.

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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 02:40 AM
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16. K&R .......
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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 09:05 AM
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17. In case anyone wants to read the whole speech, it's here (Huffington Post link):
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