Obama moves to block challenge to wiretapping program

[FlyingSquirrel]

Poll question: Obama moves to block challenge to wiretapping program

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3817595

[FrenchieCat]

1. Some in the press have decided that Obama's diplomatic restoration of this country

should yield instant results on all fronts, or otherwise his mission is a failure. That is a ridiculous notion not only on its face, but via common sense as well.

Well this is more of that, just from a different location of the gallery.

Cynics are a dime a dozen specifically because their task is made easy; doubting what is not yet known. but the real truth is that the cynics are as imperfect as those they doubt....as the Cynics lacks the virtue of grace to bestow even an iota of reasonable patience or goodwill to those they feel so free to judge.

And so it is with the hair-on-fire reaction here to all and any movements by this administration, nuanced and alleged about this matter.

[MadHound]

2. Ah, so the ongoing shredding of the Constitution is OK with you then?

Why were you so upset about this illegal wiretapping six months ago, but aren't now? Oh, yeah, because it is Obama doing the wiretapping:eyes: My but you are the gullible one aren't you.

This is the Constitution were talking about here, and Obama is furthering the destruction of it. Yet you're willing to allow it to happen all because it is Obama who is doing this. Pathetic, pathetic and disgusting that you can be an apologist for such actions.

[FrenchieCat]

6. You seem to have all of the self righteous answers even to things you do not technically know.

while I am simply being patient, and am refusing to jump to conclusion just because it is easy, and just because I could.

Your problem is that this story is far from over, even if you want to use your period as soon as possible. So talk about me and call me names and in a few months, you may just be the one judged a fool.

Since I have never seen you post anything remotely positive toward this President, you are as much of an extreme as you accuse me to be, and so you also have very little credibility when calling me an apologist. Perhaps I am that, but you are just the opposite; making this President guilty of everything and anything even when he isn't.

Patience is at least a virtue while self righteousness, last I checked just plain isn't.

And so with that, I rest my case until a later time.

[Better Believe It]

9. Of course. Let's all be supportive of government spying so long as Obama is doing it.

When you're right, you're right FrenchieCat!

[FrenchieCat]

10. You don't know much......

Because it is obvious you read very little....
only what you want to copy and paste
that would make this President look as bad as possible, as that is your pastime,
much more than understanding the nuance in law, and the truth to any legal matter.

Fortunately, no one is relying on you to provide information that is balanced
or deals with any real facts.

[Bodhi BloodWave]

15. I voted on forcing the supreme court

The only way to permanently shut this down after all would be for them to rule against this. And in all seriousness, what do people think would happen if Obama announced that he would be 'protecting' warrantless wiretaps for the purpose of having the supreme court close the door on him?

Admittedly somebody else on this thread made a good point on the whole 'due process' thing and that it would be bad if Obama entered and started tossing his weight around.

[Justyce]

3. Not having enough time yet to get around to everything & produce

'instant results' is one thing, but intentionally blocking is completely different.

[spoony]

12. Well since his time is limited, maybe he could spend it

in better ways than actually OBSTRUCTING progress. He could help by simply not doing anything. Is that too time-consuming and demanding? Your cut-and-paste standard reply does not fit this situation.

[Political Tiger]

4. If it's in Raw Story it must be true.......

I wonder how many people bothered to actually read the administration's brief in addition to Raw Story's version of it in order to have ALL the facts and to be completely informed before making up their mind? I'm willing to say not many.

Why bother with ALL the facts before making up your mind when Raw Story conveniently tells you what to think?

[kid a]

7. I just read the entire motion.

It looks like Obama has no choice in this partiucular lawsuit / method of finding out the details of the particular "net" thrown
under the now inoperative Terrorist Surveillance Program (“TSP”). Obama will follow through on his constitutional obligation to see that this never happens again.

Bush did his damage and protected himself very well.

[shagsak]

29. Ed Zachary

[Beetwasher]

5. An Ongoing Lawsuit From The Bush Admin. In Which DOJ Is Defending (Ex)Gov't Employees

Everyone is entitled to a defense. The defense attorney's, assigned by DOJ are defending their case. That's what they are supposed to do.

Obama interfering would be politicization of DOJ. This is what Bushies did. Obama does not and will not politicize DOJ. The case needs to work it's way through the court, and as much as it SOUNDS bad, the defense is doing what defense attorney's do. Filing motions to try to win their case.

[kid a]

8. thank you!

[biopowertoday]

11. Hogwash Bush grabbed the power and Pres. Obama wants

to keep it. Presidents seldom give up any executive power given to them. Know your history.

[SeattleGirl]

14. I suggest you "know" the law.

For Obama to step in and demand this or that would be interfering in a legal proceeding.

And as much as I absolutely DESPISE the whole wiretapping thing, what I despise even more is someone interfering in the due process of law.

IMHO, if Obama stepped in and started to throw his weight around on this, he would be no better than Bush.

But of course, he IS better than Bush, no doubt.

[Better Believe It]

16. Anyone who thinks the DOJ is not and will not always be political is very naive ....

about the history of this nation and how politics really works.

But, sometimes a fantasy is easier to except than reality.

[stillcool]

17. I don't think you should assume..

that someone is living in a fantasy if they do not agree with you about how this law suit should continue, and on what merits.

Here is the PDF:
http://www.eff.org/files/filenode/jewel/jewelmtdobama.pdf

[Beetwasher]

25. So You Want Obama To Be Like Bush? Got It!

That's an idiotic statement. DOJ should not be politicized. Period.

[Better Believe It]

30. You don't get it in the slightest! The DOJ should defend the Constitution and the people,

and not be used to defend government spying on the people.

GET IT?

So why do you oppose government attacks on our civil liberties and Constitution only when a Republican is President?

[Kaleko]

23. Finally! Someone is making sense out of this case.

Why is it so hard for people to admit that they don't know what the lawful proceedings are in each and every instance we're discussing here? This place is knee-jerk central these days.

[PBS Poll-435]

13. I am going to need 24 'Business Hours' before I can decide how to vote

:shrug:

[FlyingSquirrel]

18. I'm with ya on that

I'd probably vote "uncertain", but I didn't vote. I do find it interesting how many people were quick to choose the first option on this board however. I know we've all grown very skeptical of politicians, but I would expect a bit less cynicism during the so-called "honeymoon" that Obama SHOULD be enjoying.

[Mithreal]

21. Wisdom. nt

[Imagevision]

19. I agree with Obama, just use the wiretapping the way Bushco used it for repugs

[Mithreal]

20. I'm angry too, but maybe there is a rational explanation. Uncertain for now. nt

[Seen the light]

22. Unbelievable

I'm *this* close to really starting to dislike Obama.

[mvd]

24. I needed other

Very cynical (I mean intervening in something this important should be done,) but holding out a little hope in case there's more I don't know. I just saw the one story.

[GeorgeGist]

26. As requested elsewhere ...

I'll give President Obama's DOJ the benefit of sanity on this one.

DOJ expects the Supreme Court to rule that Congress' claim of sovereign immunity is unconstitutional.

[Life Long Dem]

27. Meet the new boss alright!

The "uncertainty" is that Obama is smarter than you. :bounce:

[Occam Bandage]

28. I have no idea what the particulars of the case are. nt