What the fuck is wrong with Obama? Olbermann ripped Obama tonight and was right to do so!

[KansasVoter]

OK folks, we have let some other stuff slide and and maybe is was justified.

This spying shit pisses me off and is a huge disappointment!

How can any DU member defend it??

[babylonsister]

1. Why don't you look around and see the 15 other threads about this? nt

[Jennicut]

5. Yup, and no one is defending him. We are all pretty much disappointed.

:(

[Jennicut]

8. Dupe

[Supersedeas]

30. 4 Words -- They got to him.......hope?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

2. First Obama defends Ted Stevens, now this.

:eyes:

[tabatha]

6. Obama defending Ted Stevens is a stretch.

Eric Holder said that the prosecutors had broken laws.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

10. No shit, Sherlock.

Obama defending warrantless wiretapping is a stretch.

[Thrill]

11. You can't even compare this to the Stevens case

The prosecutors were corrupt. He wasn't given a fair trial.

[jefferson_dem]

17. I guess some who scream loudest for "the rule of law" regarding wiretaps...

would welcome a lynch mob if they have a repug in the cross hairs.

[babylonsister]

12. Sure he did.

:eyes:
































:rofl:

[jefferson_dem]

3. Are you looking for apologists?

:shrug:

[Peacetrain]

4. Defending ??? give me a break, Jeez that is what gets up my nose about these threads..

[FrenchieCat]

7. Yoohoo,

Here I am! Your resident DU apologist.....not apologizing. :hi:

I wrote my 2 letters to whitehouse.gov Did you? :shrug:

[Butch350]

46. FrenchieCat that little girl is gorgeous

reminds me of my daughter at that age. Didn't mean to be a post buster. Sorry.

[and-justice-for-all]

9. I dont agree with it...

and I dont agree with his middle east policy either.

[babylonsister]

13. Which policy would that be? nt

[and-justice-for-all]

18. That which pertains to Iraq and Afganhistan..nt

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

22. Afghanistan isn't in the middle east.

I can't imagine why you'd want to stay in Iraq.

[and-justice-for-all]

24. Afghanistan is the middle east and I do not want to stay in Iraq..nt

[medeak]

14. 93 yr old dad has been waiting for dems to not screw up

life long dem and every time they start screwing it up fighting with each other...repukes blindly follow their leader but they get their horrible agenda done.

[Cali_Democrat]

15. Obama needs to reign in Holder and the DoJ

The sooner the better. This issue is too important.

[muntrv]

16. I hope Obama is spying on the righties, if he wants this kind of power.

[Jennicut]

19. Perhaps in a twist of irony he can spy on Darth Cheney, now just a mere citizen

[Doc_Technical]

21. Darth Cheney and his ilk, never has been,

and never will be a "mere citizen".

[Jennicut]

23. LOL. I suppose not. Technically he is and his secret service will be gone

just like it is for Gore.

[MzShellG]

38. I believe that he needs to do that, so I'm not dissappointed. nt

[Bodhi BloodWave]

20. Since i don't know most of what Obama knows i can't defend it but i can offer my view

Or rather, one of my views and the views of another poster.

As i wrote in another post: The only way to permanently shut this issue down would be for the supreme court to rule against Obama gaining this power. And in all seriousness, what do people think would happen if Obama announced that he would be 'protecting' warrantless wiretaps for the purpose of having the supreme court close the door on him?(getting it shut down this way would also prevent any future republicans from trying to gain this power)

Somebody pointed out that the current supremes don't really care about the privacy of citizens(which i would agree with) but i am also of the belief they would NOT want Obama to have the power.

Another possibility that was mentioned by another poster in another thread was this:

An Ongoing Lawsuit From The Bush Admin. In Which DOJ Is Defending (Ex)Gov't Employees

Everyone is entitled to a defense. The defense attorney's, assigned by DOJ are defending their case. That's what they are supposed to do.

Obama interfering would be politicization of DOJ. This is what Bushies did. Obama does not and will not politicize DOJ. The case needs to work it's way through the court, and as much as it SOUNDS bad, the defense is doing what defense attorney's do. Filing motions to try to win their case.

Which of these are more likely I'm uncertain off, but i consider both to be sensible reasons

[Kaleko]

36. It is not encumbent on Obama to interfere in the ongoing case

against Bush appointees! Does everybody get that?

The second post you quoted is from Beetwasher at # 5 in this thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8324890#8324973

Anyone who wants a better understanding of the situation, please also read post # 14 on the same thread.

I keep repeating myself: As president, Obama is not in a position to interfere in many ongoing disputes. If he did, his actions would be unconstitutional.

[Bodhi BloodWave]

37. Thanks, i saved the post to a txt, but made the minor mistake

of forgetting to add the users name, and the thread *amends his TXT*

[Raineyb]

51. Excuse me but when Bush left Bush stopped being the defendant in these suits

Obama is now the defendant he's not fighting for (ex)Bush officials he's fighting for his own administration. He is in a position to change the rationale for the defense. He's choosing not to do so.

Regards

[Aloha Spirit]

47. I would like to read KansasVoter's response to these possibilities.

By the way, Eric Holder will be on Katie Couric's show this evening.

[Tyler Generation]

25. Maybe some of us are waiting for all the facts before we make up our minds

But since I don't have (1,000+) I'll probably just get called a troll.

[FrenchieCat]

26. Reminds me of what the President said

during his last conference....

"I like to know what I’m talking about before I speak"

[Cha]

28. The "media" characterizes that as being "flippant"..I

think Prez Obama meant what he said.

[Connie_Corleone]

27. I'll wait until more information comes out.

I'm not going to go ballistic over the rantings of people on TV, I don't care who they are.

I'll address my concerns to whitehouse.gov.

[vaberella]

29. Reason...that is so rare to find on this site.

People take half truths from what they hear and assume it's all the facts. This was the same when people said O was a homophobe and basically supported Prop 8 and then it came out that he spoke against it early on and still nothing was done. Over and over and over again....people run at the mouth when there could be something else we're not privy too. I'll also wait.

Thanks for your post. Way too uncommon.

[Bluenorthwest]

48. except that yesterday Obama repeated his

opposition to equal rights for GLBT people, and said he opposed the Vermont ruling. And he did not 'speak againt' Prop 8, he wrote a letter to a small group about it. The Yes ON 8 folks had available to them loads of tape of Obama saying clearly that he opposes marriage equality, a thing he said again yesterday, as his way of celebrating the Vermont victory, he had to say he personally does not accept equal rights for all.
Facts are facts. Obama says over and over again that he thinks marriage is only for straights. Deal with that. He says it is because of his religion. Deal with it.

[cottonseed]

31. This approach always seems to work.

I want to hear more about how the Justice Department is going about this and what's to come. The adults will be seated in a few days.

[Number23]

32. I'm with you, Connie. But if there's just cause to be disappointed, I damn well will be...

[kid a]

33. ah...refreshing

[lamp_shade]

40. Ah... Connie... a grown-up among us. Thanks for posting. I'm with you.

I learned a long time ago that it's best to give our President the benefit of the doubt and wait for the whole story to come out. This approach seems to keep the egg off my face.

[Life Long Dem]

34. For the same reason that

the President isn't going to address every jack ass that believes MSM's propaganda like I see here on DU.

[pnorman]

35. If Presidemt O'Bama has displayed nothing else, he has shown an uncanny ability

to think several moves ahead of almost everyone else (including many here on DU!) Recall all the hysterical screams of "Sell-out" on that Inaugural Invocation thingie. Check out GinaMaria's Journal, and get a grip!
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/GinaMaria

Am I, someone well to the Left of Dennis, "disappointed"? After 8 looong years of Bush, Cheney, & Halliburton, my disappointment sensors have been SCORCHED, and down to the roots! Hopefully, they'll regenerate, but it may require several more years.

Attributed to Sen. Al Franken (D, MN): "What do we want? PATIENCE! When do we want it? NOW!"

pnorman

[vaberella]

39. Agreed. n/t

[windbreeze]

54. Everytime I feel as though he's not doing what I thought he would...

I think back to how many times, he's been one step ahead of everyone else, but in a DIFFERENT manner...he's an uncommon man, with an uncommon mind, and a totally uncommon way of doing things...I will wait and see what he's up too...I just wish there wasn't so much hysteria being perpetrated...

I've seen so many rants against Obama, based on words that were misunderstood, or taken out of context, or simple disinformation here/there and everywhere, that I sometimes wonder who's behind it, and is it deliberate?....wb

[Political Heretic]

41. I haven't had enough time to read and be informed, so I don't have an opinion yet.....

So... I dunno, I'll get back to you.

[LWolf]

42. DUers can defend it because

some are partisan "team" cheerleaders. Issues don't matter except as campaign talking points. What matters is "winning" elections and holding power, regardless of how much we lose when we elect a candidate whose agenda conflicts with traditional party values.

[Sugarcoated]

45. Did you read post #20?

Don't be so quick to trust the media big mouths.

[GeorgeGist]

43. It's a feint ...

don't worry about it.

[Butch350]

44. Would you be pissed...

if your neighbor was a terrorist - and the government who had his phoned tapped - and apprehended him
before he ignited a dirty bomb in your hood while the kids were getting off of the school bus?

Most americans are being spied on every single day and only do you bitch about it when you find out it's happening.

Powers to be are going to wire tap and spy on americans whether you like it or not. GET USE TO IT!

" Novus Ordo Seclorum " Baby!

[kiva]

49. Terra! Terra! Terra!

So you must be overjoyed when you see TSA wanding children and those scary Arabs being sent to Gitmo.

[truebrit71]

50. ..lemme guess...if you ain't doin' nuthin' wrong you ain't got nuthin' to be worried about, right?

What a stupid fucking argument :eyes:

[Sparkly]

52. Three words: "Get a Warrant."

That's all.

[Twinguard]

53. I can't defend it, I think it's simply a terrible policy.

However, Obama has shown that he is always a few moves ahead of his competition. Maybe **crosses fingers** he is defending this wiretapping shit to expose it from a different angle. Maybe he is going to use it as some sort of legal avenue against someone of high profile (like DICK) and let them spill the beans about it, making the Rushpublicans look even worse for having introduced and implemented it under Bush's reign.

I don't know, that sounds pretty far fetched.

I think it is a piece of shit legislation, and I'm disappointed in President Obama for his support of it.