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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 09:51 AM Original message |
How About A Big Cup Of "CHILL THE FUCK OUT" Regarding Ongoing DOJ Court Cases |
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billyoc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
1. Technically accurate is misleading? |
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Uzybone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 09:54 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. You personally provide financial support for the war in Iraq. |
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billyoc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 09:57 AM Response to Reply #3 |
9. And not in the slightest bit misleading. |
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nvme (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 07:03 PM Response to Reply #9 |
168. thanks for clarifying but to ensure you want the prez to uphold |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 09:04 PM Response to Reply #168 |
214. well, im not pissed and NO |
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barbtries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 08:06 AM Response to Reply #9 |
283. i'd say it could be pretty misleading |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 09:55 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. yes, technicality is always the nugget used to craft disperssions |
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Teaser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:58 AM Response to Reply #4 |
83. What the fuck is a "disperssion"? |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 02:48 PM Response to Reply #83 |
134. oh thanks, Aspersions! :) |
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JJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 07:32 PM Response to Reply #134 |
177. OH, ASPARAGUS |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 09:56 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Uhh, Yes |
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billyoc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 09:59 AM Response to Reply #6 |
12. 100% accurate. Obama is claiming Sovereign Immunity. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:01 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Obama Is Claiming NO SUCH THING |
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Windy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:04 AM Response to Reply #15 |
21. You're raining on their ignorance parade beetwasher. They don't want facts. |
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billyoc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:09 AM Response to Reply #15 |
24. Where does the buck stop, again? |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:11 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. LOL! Whooosh!!!! |
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billyoc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:18 AM Response to Reply #25 |
29. The point of the OP is to defend the indefensible and it is sailing nowhere. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:19 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Who Said That's The Only Way To Settle? Not Me, Mr. Hutz |
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billyoc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:20 AM Response to Reply #30 |
31. "Obama can't fire them w/out being guilty of obstruction and polticization." |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:22 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. So That Means I Think That's The Only Way To Settle???? |
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billyoc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:29 AM Response to Reply #32 |
40. No, it means that's the only method you saw fit to mention, I drew no conclusion. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:31 AM Response to Reply #40 |
42. You Obviously No Nothing About The Case |
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billyoc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:32 AM Response to Reply #42 |
45. The only relevant cases are the ones where the US govt is the defendant. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:36 AM Response to Reply #45 |
52. Bullshit |
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billyoc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 11:18 AM Response to Reply #52 |
111. The only relevant lawsuits, i.e., the ones that will cause Obama to lose votes, |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 11:21 AM Response to Reply #111 |
112. I See, So YOU Get To Decide What's Relevant? |
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billyoc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 11:23 AM Response to Reply #112 |
113. Yes, that's right, I get to decide what's relevant. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 11:26 AM Response to Reply #113 |
114. Glad That's Cleared Up! |
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billyoc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 11:28 AM Response to Reply #114 |
115. I guarantee he'll pay attention. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 11:40 AM Response to Reply #115 |
117. Oh, Yeah, Sure He Will |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 09:26 PM Response to Reply #115 |
227. go back to pumaville |
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billyoc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 10:22 AM Response to Reply #227 |
320. Get your enemies list sorted out, dumbass. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 07:49 PM Response to Reply #114 |
184. Hm, Beetwasher, no profile. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 09:11 PM Response to Reply #184 |
215. Uhh, What? |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 09:25 PM Response to Reply #215 |
225. the obama bashers are trying to call your rep into question because you dont have a profile |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 09:34 PM Response to Reply #225 |
231. Yeah, Except I DO Have A Profile |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 11:35 PM Response to Reply #215 |
262. No. If does not make a difference. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:13 AM Response to Reply #262 |
292. Well I Guess When You've Got Nothing, Then Insinuating I'm A Troll Is Probably |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 05:13 AM Response to Reply #184 |
277. Beet's Been Here Almost As Long As I Have |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:28 AM Response to Reply #184 |
305. You call that an argument? |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 07:48 PM Response to Reply #52 |
183. Do you mean "individuals"? |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 09:12 PM Response to Reply #183 |
216. Does That Mean You're Engaging In Typo Flames? |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 07:47 PM Response to Reply #32 |
181. Traditionally, presidents fire the previous president's political |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 09:15 PM Response to Reply #181 |
217. Point To A SINGLE Instance In Which All USA's Were Replaced W/in Three Months |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:30 AM Response to Reply #217 |
306. They got nothin' |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 05:03 PM Response to Reply #31 |
145. New presidents are entitled to appoint their own AG's -- all of them--!!! |
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OnyxCollie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 05:11 PM Response to Reply #145 |
147. Link, please? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 05:36 PM Response to Reply #147 |
153. Each new president traditionally replaces his predecessor's U.S. AGs .... |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 09:16 PM Response to Reply #153 |
219. Point To A SINGLE Instance In Which All USA's Were Replaces W/in Three Months |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:25 AM Response to Reply #219 |
269. Where does it say they have to be replaced in three months? |
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Pacifist Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 07:28 AM Response to Reply #269 |
280. We're three months into the Obama administration. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 12:14 PM Response to Reply #280 |
334. As I made clear . . . because the Bush DOJ was so toxic . . . |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:18 AM Response to Reply #269 |
295. You First, You Claim Obama Should Have Done It Already, So YOU Claim It |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 12:23 PM Response to Reply #295 |
335. Beetwasher . . . |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 12:25 PM Response to Reply #335 |
336. "If you want to prove your fanaticism by taking this around again," |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:03 PM Response to Reply #336 |
339. Show me a precedent of a DOJ as corrupted as Bush's . . . |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:06 PM Response to Reply #339 |
340. LOL! Waahhhh! Obama's Not Doing The Impossible! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:09 PM Response to Reply #340 |
342. You're ignoring "substantive criticisms" in favor of personal attack . . . |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:12 PM Response to Reply #342 |
345. I've Already Dealt W/ That |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:19 PM Response to Reply #345 |
347. YOU disagree with Olbermann, Howard Fine and Turley . . . . |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:23 PM Response to Reply #347 |
348. LOL! How Droll, Nitpick My Grammar, That Certainly Makes Your Point! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:37 PM Response to Reply #348 |
350. The point was in the subject title . . . |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:41 PM Response to Reply #350 |
351. "we have this reversion to the idea that DU'ers are bashing Obama for the fun of it!" |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 10:02 PM Response to Reply #351 |
356. Why don't you e-mail Olbermann and Turley and set them straight . . . ??? |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 07:50 AM Response to Reply #356 |
359. I Do Respect THem, When They Have Content Instead Of Empty Idiocy |
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OnyxCollie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 09:48 PM Response to Reply #153 |
236. Cool. Thank you. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:30 AM Response to Reply #236 |
271. Absolutely . . . |
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OnyxCollie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 02:44 AM Response to Reply #271 |
276. Monica Goodling. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 12:11 PM Response to Reply #276 |
333. Ah, yes . . . Monica Goodling -- thank you--!!! |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 07:29 PM Response to Reply #30 |
176. I believe that the Bush administration settled some of the cases |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 09:16 PM Response to Reply #176 |
218. So You Think Obama's DOJ Should Be Like Bush's DOJ? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:35 AM Response to Reply #176 |
272. That was a sad ending to the battle with tobacco . . . |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 11:51 AM Response to Reply #25 |
332. That's wrong |
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Windy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:02 AM Response to Reply #12 |
19. the government, which includes the administration, has sovereign immunity |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 11:42 AM Response to Reply #19 |
331. Wait a minute |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:24 AM Response to Reply #6 |
34. So Jonathan Turley has it ALL WRONG. And you've got it right. Pulleeze. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:26 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Where Did I Say That? |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:31 AM Response to Reply #36 |
43. Unfortunately, I did waste my time reading your ridiculous rationales. Enough with the 11 dimension |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:34 AM Response to Reply #43 |
47. I'm Glad Turley Is Speaking Out About This |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 10:49 AM Response to Reply #47 |
323. Sure it is |
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abunlifemin (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 07:46 PM Response to Reply #34 |
180. Noticed your name |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:41 AM Response to Reply #1 |
58. It certainly can be, when something is taken out of context. n/t |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 09:54 AM Response to Original message |
2. Oh stop it. You are ruining all the fun for the knee jerk reactors around here. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 04:54 PM Response to Reply #2 |
353. Never fear... the shit-stirrers will continue their poutrage for the next eight years.. |
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Windy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 09:55 AM Response to Original message |
5. Thank you!!!!!!!!!! A bit of SANITY!!!! K&R |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 09:56 AM Response to Original message |
7. Thank you. |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 09:56 AM Response to Original message |
8. Thank you Thank you Thank you!!! |
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bigmonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 09:58 AM Response to Original message |
10. I hope you're right about laying the groundwork. |
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firedupdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 09:59 AM Response to Original message |
11. Thank you for this explanation. Another DU'er has been great |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:00 AM Response to Original message |
13. Thanks, but all the same I'll stick with Turley since he's the con law expert, |
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Phx_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 01:18 PM Response to Reply #13 |
129. Well, President Obama is a con law expert as well. |
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namahage (678 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 01:51 PM Response to Reply #129 |
131. Actually, he taught at the University of Chicago. He got his JD from Harvard Law. |
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Phx_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 04:16 PM Response to Reply #131 |
139. I stand corrected on a minor point, but the main point is that he taught con law. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 05:10 PM Response to Reply #139 |
146. Wiretapping is Unconstitutional .....and all the FISA laws do violence to Constitution . . . |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 05:19 PM Response to Reply #139 |
150. This is not about money, but good try. n/t |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 05:19 PM Response to Reply #129 |
149. No, people want to find out what the hell Bush/Cheney were up to. |
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JTFrog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:00 AM Response to Original message |
14. Why do you hate ponies? |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:01 AM Response to Original message |
16. If anyone else posted this (like me) I would say "Oh you're just sucking up to Obama" |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:04 AM Response to Reply #16 |
22. Thanks Lynne! |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:01 AM Response to Original message |
17. I don't think the question is whether warrantless wiretaps are illegal. |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:02 AM Response to Original message |
18. Moment of clarity here... |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:03 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. That's How We May See It |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 05:13 PM Response to Reply #18 |
148. Obama had the right as a every new president does to appoint his own AGs . . . |
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JJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 07:49 PM Response to Reply #148 |
185. invited them to stay "until further notice" |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:44 AM Response to Reply #185 |
273. Again, given the toxic nature of Bush's DOJ . . .. |
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atreides1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:08 AM Response to Original message |
23. I think you may be wrong |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:14 AM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Yes, I think it's interesting that people are using this argument at all. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:14 AM Response to Reply #23 |
27. Uhh, What? |
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Aloha Spirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:15 AM Response to Original message |
28. I wonder if Katie Couric will dig this deep tonight in the Eric Holder interview |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
33. I see. They're filing legally untenable arguments for the purpose of losing their case. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:24 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Uhh, No |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:26 AM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Uhh, let me quote an eminent legal scholar. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:28 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. That Doesn't Mean The Attorney's WANT TO LOSE |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:30 AM Response to Reply #39 |
41. So the Justice Department is filing idiotic motions that are wrong? |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:31 AM Response to Reply #41 |
44. They Do That All The Time |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:32 AM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Someone should tell the President about this. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:35 AM Response to Reply #46 |
49. And? |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:36 AM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Yank the motion. Comply with the law. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:37 AM Response to Reply #51 |
53. So Obama Should Insert Himself And OBSTRUCT An ONGOING Case? |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:39 AM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Considering the DOJ is promoting an unconstitutional position, it's his duty. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:42 AM Response to Reply #55 |
59. Obstruction Is Obstruction |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:44 AM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Unconstitutional is unconstitutional. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:46 AM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Thank You Lionel Hutz! |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:47 AM Response to Reply #63 |
67. You're welcome Chief Wiggums. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:50 AM Response to Reply #67 |
72. No, I'm Ralph |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:48 AM Response to Reply #61 |
70. Actually, not allowing a client's attorney to file a motion might be closer to unconstitutional. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:46 AM Response to Reply #53 |
65. Isn't it "politicizing the DOJ" to protect Bush/Gonzo et al? |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:49 AM Response to Reply #65 |
71. No |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:50 AM Response to Reply #71 |
73. They do not HAVE to extend sovereign immunity further |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:53 AM Response to Reply #73 |
77. What??? |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:54 AM Response to Reply #77 |
79. WHAT?? |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:55 AM Response to Reply #79 |
80. Not Just On HIS BEHALF |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 11:00 AM Response to Reply #80 |
88. The Bush administration did not file this motion. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 11:02 AM Response to Reply #88 |
91. You Just Proved You Don't Know What You're Talking About |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 11:03 AM Response to Reply #91 |
93. Sorry, I'm trying to be nice here, but this is the Obama Administration's response. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 11:05 AM Response to Reply #93 |
95. So What/???? |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 11:06 AM Response to Reply #95 |
96. This is a suit against the government. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 11:09 AM Response to Reply #96 |
97. There Are NUMEROUS Lawsuits |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 11:10 AM Response to Reply #97 |
100. We are speaking of one motion in one case... Sheesh. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 11:12 AM Response to Reply #100 |
102. Who's "We"? |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 11:15 AM Response to Reply #102 |
107. I'm going to end this here. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 11:15 AM Response to Reply #107 |
108. Yes, You Should Quit While You're Behind |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:35 AM Response to Reply #107 |
309. Good - I'm tired or reading your posts |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 08:13 PM Response to Reply #95 |
197. Why is the DOJ defending Bush, Cheney, et al if they violated the law? |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 09:19 PM Response to Reply #197 |
220. Umm, This Is Not A Criminal Trial |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 11:53 PM Response to Reply #220 |
263. I believe the plaintiffs are alleging a violation of their constitutional right |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:16 AM Response to Reply #263 |
294. And The Courts Will Decide If Their Argument Is Valid |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 11:14 AM Response to Reply #88 |
106. Its a financial lawsuit. Do you think Obama shouldn't defend himself from paying for what Bush did? |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 08:17 PM Response to Reply #106 |
200. Obama is now defending abuses of power by a former government. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 11:01 AM Response to Reply #80 |
89. No, Obama, Holder and Dennis Blair ARE NAMED AS THE DEFENDENTS ON THE OFFIAL SUIT DOCUMENTS |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 11:03 AM Response to Reply #89 |
92. So Are Many Others |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 11:11 AM Response to Reply #92 |
101. The motion is to dismiss charges against the named defendents in their official capacity. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 11:13 AM Response to Reply #101 |
104. No, How Do You Get That? |
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Autumn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 06:00 PM Response to Reply #101 |
158. Just a question here. The money |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 08:18 PM Response to Reply #101 |
201. He should admit liability and settle. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 09:20 PM Response to Reply #201 |
221. Who is "he"? |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 11:34 PM Response to Reply #221 |
261. He is the executive. His appointee decides on this. Obama is in charge |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:15 AM Response to Reply #261 |
293. This Case Is A Lawsuit For Monetary Redress For Actions Taken |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:19 AM Response to Reply #201 |
296. Who's He? Obama? So Obama Should Decide How EVERYONE Named Should Plea? |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 11:09 AM Response to Reply #80 |
98. And seriously, do me a favor, calm down and learn something about what is actually happening here... |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 11:10 AM Response to Reply #98 |
99. Uhh, Are You Sure You're Responding To The Right Person?? |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 11:12 AM Response to Reply #99 |
103. I don't even know anymore. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 11:14 AM Response to Reply #103 |
105. Re-Read The OP |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 11:15 AM Response to Reply #105 |
109. I think I got you and Sparkly mixed up for a minute. I think we are on the same page now. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 11:16 AM Response to Reply #109 |
110. No Worries!! |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 11:00 AM Response to Reply #79 |
87. From EFF: |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 05:43 PM Response to Reply #53 |
154. Upholding the Constitution is "politicizing the DOJ" . . . ???? |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 09:20 PM Response to Reply #154 |
222. What Is Unconstitutional About Filing A Motion? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:24 AM Response to Reply #222 |
268. The question is what's Unconstitutional about wiretapping . . . |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:40 AM Response to Reply #268 |
311. That's Not The Question In This Trial Though |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:06 PM Response to Reply #311 |
341. The core of the lawsuit is wiretapping --- |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:11 PM Response to Reply #341 |
343. I've Seen That And I Disagree |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 09:56 PM Response to Reply #343 |
358. And, here's Sen. Russ Feingold on Obama's DOJ brief . . . |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 07:52 AM Response to Reply #358 |
360. Good |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 11:15 PM Response to Reply #360 |
361. "assertions of the state secrets privilege" is policy . . . |
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Qutzupalotl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:46 AM Response to Reply #41 |
64. It might be the case that Obama believes |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:47 AM Response to Reply #64 |
68. "No cause to insert himself" -- he is NAMED in this. |
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Qutzupalotl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 11:02 AM Response to Reply #68 |
90. Which case are you referring to? |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 11:04 AM Response to Reply #90 |
94. . |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 05:44 PM Response to Reply #64 |
155. Obama should want to be on record arguing for Constitutional protectios . . . |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 11:29 AM Response to Reply #41 |
116. The point is, the filings are perfectly legitimate in accordance with |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:34 AM Response to Reply #39 |
48. So they don't want to lose, but they don't want to win? |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:35 AM Response to Reply #48 |
50. The Attorney's Are Not Obama |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:39 AM Response to Reply #50 |
54. I don't care about that separation -- whether it's Obama, the Obama Administration |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:40 AM Response to Reply #54 |
57. Yeah, And? |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:45 AM Response to Reply #57 |
62. And do they want their motion to succeed or fail? |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:48 AM Response to Reply #62 |
69. I Can't Be Sure Of Their Motives, I Can Only Speculate |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:52 AM Response to Reply #69 |
74. But you wrote... |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:53 AM Response to Reply #74 |
78. Yeah, So? That's My Opinion |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:57 AM Response to Reply #78 |
82. You opinion makes no sense to me. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:58 AM Response to Reply #82 |
86. Deleted message |
JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 08:50 PM Response to Reply #74 |
211. The Court does not have to rule on this. The Obama government |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 09:23 PM Response to Reply #211 |
224. Wrong. Obama Cannot Unilaterally Decide How To Defend This Case |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 11:24 PM Response to Reply #224 |
257. Filing the motion is not unconstitutional. The eavesdropping was unconstitutional. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:21 AM Response to Reply #257 |
297. Obama CAN'T UNILATERALLY SETTLE FOR EVERYONE |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 08:48 PM Response to Reply #54 |
209. The government sets the policy on wiretapping and it is important |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 09:25 PM Response to Reply #209 |
226. Too Bad This Case Is A CIVIL Case For Monetary Redress |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 11:26 PM Response to Reply #226 |
259. Obama can make a deal that requires the government to tell the truth |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:22 AM Response to Reply #259 |
298. Really? This Is A LAWSUIT |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 08:20 AM Response to Reply #298 |
357. I've gotta hand it to you: You've got the patience of a saint. |
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debbierlus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:33 AM Response to Reply #33 |
308. Amen |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
38. Well said! |
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AndyA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
56. Aren't US Attorneys normally replaced when a new administration comes in? |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:44 AM Response to Reply #56 |
60. Yes, Over Time |
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AndyA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:57 AM Response to Reply #60 |
81. Thanks, that makes sense. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:52 AM Response to Reply #56 |
75. Finding and replacing that many attorneys at once in this short of a time span isn't very realistic. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 05:21 PM Response to Reply #56 |
151. Yes -- all new presidents have that option, however Obama asked all Bush AGs to stay -- !!! |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 09:48 PM Response to Reply #151 |
237. No He Didn't |
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quiller4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 02:00 AM Response to Reply #56 |
274. It is rare to replace an attorney who has cases in process n/t |
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quiller4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 02:00 AM Response to Reply #56 |
275. It is rare to replace an attorney who has cases in process n/t |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:47 AM Response to Original message |
66. thank you np |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
76. DAMN YOU AND YOUR REASON AND LOGIC!!! |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:58 AM Response to Original message |
84. This sums it up nicely: |
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Qutzupalotl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:58 AM Response to Original message |
85. Thanks for posting this. |
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wiggs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 12:03 PM Response to Original message |
118. OK. So let's hear where the administration DOES stand on illegal spying and what |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 01:32 PM Response to Reply #118 |
130. Yes, I still won't be happy until there is clarification |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 11:06 AM Response to Reply #130 |
329. There's an eerie silence on that point, isn't there? |
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silverweb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
119. Exactly. Thank you. |
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gkhouston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
120. Telling people to chill out in capital letters and boldface... |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 12:18 PM Response to Reply #120 |
121. What Next? Spelling Flames? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 04:45 PM Response to Reply #120 |
142. and then adding . .. "I'm not telling anyone to shut up!!" . . . |
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jus_the_facts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
122. Don't be such an ASSHOLE.... |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 12:37 PM Response to Reply #122 |
123. It's What I Do Best! |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 12:50 PM Response to Original message |
124. Interesting analysis |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 08:52 PM Response to Reply #124 |
212. Some conduct is indefensible. And some arguments are so without |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 09:32 PM Response to Reply #124 |
229. Some conduct is indefensible. And some arguments are so without |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
125. ... |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 12:59 PM Response to Reply #125 |
126. Ahh, I See, Contentless Criticism, How Droll |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 01:08 PM Response to Original message |
127. Dill you also ask us to "chill out" during Bush's attacks on the Constitution? |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 01:09 PM Response to Reply #127 |
128. Dill Is For Pickles |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 02:12 PM Response to Reply #128 |
132. What do you know about pickles when you clearly prefer washing beets? |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:57 AM Response to Reply #128 |
318. It's funny |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
133. Thanks Beetwasher and Windy for providing clarity on this non-sense. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 05:23 PM Response to Reply #133 |
152. Is this the "clarity" you're referring to . . . ??? |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 05:54 PM Response to Reply #152 |
157. Nice way of you to pick and choose when there are countless posts above where Beetwasher |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 07:17 PM Response to Reply #157 |
171. I've given you the bottom line of the OP . . . |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 08:19 PM Response to Reply #171 |
202. That's the problem... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:20 AM Response to Reply #202 |
267. Unfortunately, Constitutional rights are kinda "a set agenda" . . .!!! |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 09:38 PM Response to Reply #171 |
232. As far as I can see, Beetwater is telling us how much he doesn't like criticism of Obama, |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 06:04 PM Response to Reply #152 |
159. I think this part would make a great script for "Tom Tomorrow." |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 09:42 PM Response to Reply #159 |
234. No, What's A Better Script Is "Obama's Really A Rightwing Stooge!!!" |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 08:23 AM Response to Reply #234 |
285. Please don't put words in my mouth |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:23 AM Response to Reply #285 |
299. Yes You Are Talking About His Motives |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:26 AM Response to Reply #299 |
301. No I Am Not And Using Caps Doesn't Make It So. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:48 AM Response to Reply #301 |
315. What's Hilarious Is You Content Free Posting |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 10:59 AM Response to Reply #315 |
326. You're welcome! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 11:03 AM Response to Reply #326 |
328. Deleted message |
Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 09:44 PM Response to Reply #152 |
235. Umm, Jeenyus, Any Rational Person Will Admit They Can Be Wrong About Something |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 02:59 PM Response to Original message |
135. K&R. It is not good when people run off reacting about these suits based |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 04:57 PM Response to Reply #135 |
143. But where would they get off on their |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 09:40 PM Response to Reply #135 |
233. "The DOJ has to represent the government side of the question." |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:03 AM Response to Reply #233 |
291. I started reading the motion |
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LittleBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
136. You've got to be joking. You're saying his lawyers are at fault? I guess it was just Bush's lawyers. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 03:32 PM Response to Reply #136 |
137. Ahh Yes, Another Contentless Critical Post |
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LittleBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 05:50 PM Response to Reply #137 |
354. Bollocks. You're wrong and here's why. |
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shagsak (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 04:03 PM Response to Reply #136 |
138. um... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 04:44 PM Response to Reply #136 |
141. Did you ever see Bush's DOJ get it wrong, i.e., argue contrary to Bushco wishes? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
140. Technically, this is still Bush's DOJ . . . Obama invited ALL the AGs to stay . . . |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 04:57 PM Response to Original message |
144. Every incoming president has the right to fire all the AGs . . . . |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 06:21 PM Response to Reply #144 |
162. I don't get this |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 07:27 PM Response to Reply #162 |
174. I don't get it either, because I'd want to get rid of them all in a hurry . . .!!! |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 07:36 PM Response to Reply #174 |
178. It's common practice to clean house |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 08:01 PM Response to Reply #178 |
190. Agree with you -- I'd rather see an immediate house cleaning . . . fumigating!!! |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 08:13 PM Response to Reply #190 |
198. Sounds good - and I'll let you know if I find something |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:02 PM Response to Reply #178 |
241. He COULD Fire Them, But Then They Would Almost CERTAINLY Turn Around |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:18 PM Response to Reply #241 |
242. I'd ignore what the Bushies say, personally |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:22 PM Response to Reply #242 |
243. Not In Three Months Time, Clinton Took Longer |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:25 PM Response to Reply #243 |
244. I think they could come up with good counterarguments |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:27 PM Response to Reply #244 |
245. Obama Has A Good Legal Mind, Which Is WHY He's Probably NOT |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:28 PM Response to Reply #245 |
246. I respect your view, but my view is different |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:29 PM Response to Reply #246 |
247. Fair Enough |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:31 PM Response to Reply #247 |
248. Agreed 100% |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:33 PM Response to Reply #248 |
250. Thanks MVD!! |
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Pacifist Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 07:23 AM Response to Reply #241 |
279. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. Not to mention that... |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 07:16 PM Response to Reply #144 |
170. Some have gone... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 07:37 PM Response to Reply #170 |
179. Bush's DOJ was toxic . . . except those he fired --- !!! |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 07:47 PM Response to Reply #179 |
182. You would remove attorneys from.. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 07:56 PM Response to Reply #182 |
187. First, do you understand that every new president has the right to overturn all |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 08:35 PM Response to Reply #187 |
204. Excuse me...No President.. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:09 AM Response to Reply #204 |
266. Excuse me . . . but that wasn't what I said . . . |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 07:57 PM Response to Reply #182 |
189. At least in this case I would, if I had the power |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 08:27 PM Response to Reply #189 |
203. the program was unconstitutional.. |
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denem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 05:49 PM Response to Original message |
156. One of the most informtive posts I have ever read on DU. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 06:13 PM Response to Original message |
160. I've been a civil servant for the U.S. government and the states of PA and FL for a total of 30 yrs. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 08:05 PM Response to Reply #160 |
191. An interesting bit of information -- thank you ---!!! Sane and logical!!! |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 09:21 PM Response to Reply #191 |
223. And a couple of other things |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 09:33 PM Response to Reply #160 |
230. Yeah, And? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 12:05 AM Response to Reply #230 |
264. Well, Patriot Act ... is simply more "national security" blanketing . . . |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:51 AM Response to Reply #230 |
316. Maybe I didn't make my point clear |
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biopowertoday (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 06:13 PM Response to Original message |
161. silly. you make Democrats look stupid. |
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pollo poco (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 06:22 PM Response to Original message |
163. Thanks for the cuppa chill |
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OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 06:45 PM Response to Original message |
164. All of this speculation could be cleared up with a statement from |
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bluesmail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 06:46 PM Response to Original message |
165. On May 26 Wiwa v Shell is finally going to trial. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 08:08 PM Response to Reply #165 |
193. "Justice delayed is justice denied" . . . I kinda agree with that--!!! |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 09:59 PM Response to Reply #165 |
240. Oh Man, I Cannot Imagine!!! |
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Klukie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 06:46 PM Response to Original message |
166. So in other words.... |
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ms liberty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 06:58 PM Response to Original message |
167. Careful there...you seem to be making sense! K&R...n/t |
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freemarketer6 (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 07:14 PM Response to Original message |
169. And if you are wrong and the Obama administration contacts |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 07:23 PM Response to Reply #169 |
173. And if you are wrong... |
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freemarketer6 (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 07:57 PM Response to Reply #173 |
188. Please, spare me the intrigue. I campaigned for Obama, sent |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 08:38 PM Response to Reply #188 |
205. Please...I responded to your "what if's" |
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freemarketer6 (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 08:42 PM Response to Reply #205 |
207. Find someone who wants to argue with you. I do not. I will maintain |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 08:43 PM Response to Reply #207 |
208. I know you are but what am I.. |
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freemarketer6 (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 08:48 PM Response to Reply #208 |
210. I don't know, but you are flailing horribly. Bye........nft |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
172. You are right about the attorney's duty. But Obama's duty is to |
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freemarketer6 (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 08:10 PM Response to Reply #172 |
194. Exactly.......nft |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 08:11 PM Response to Reply #172 |
195. Yep . . . |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 08:13 PM Response to Reply #172 |
196. Not the FISA ammendment I remember reading. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 09:31 PM Response to Reply #172 |
228. You Presume Too Much |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 10:59 AM Response to Reply #172 |
327. That's exactly right. |
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JJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 07:29 PM Response to Original message |
175. I was kinda wondering something along these lines |
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Lena inRI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 07:50 PM Response to Original message |
186. I ALMOST went into a raging rant over this issue BUT. . . |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 08:15 PM Response to Reply #186 |
199. Most people think O is not a thinker and then they eat crow in the end... |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 08:07 PM Response to Original message |
192. Um... no thank you. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 09:54 PM Response to Reply #192 |
239. What Exactly Is Obama Continuing???? |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 08:27 AM Response to Reply #239 |
286. Nothing |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:25 AM Response to Reply #286 |
300. You Should Beg My Forgiveness, And Thanks For Proving My Point |
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Sugarcoated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 08:41 PM Response to Original message |
206. Unfortunately some here are not getting it |
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NanceGreggs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 08:59 PM Response to Original message |
213. K and R!!! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 09:50 PM Response to Original message |
238. This might also be the time to remind us all that there was ONE communications company . .. |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:31 PM Response to Reply #238 |
249. Qwest.... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 11:25 PM Response to Reply #249 |
258. Thank you for the info on Qwest which said NO to doing illegal wiretapping . .. . |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 11:25 AM Response to Reply #258 |
330. You're welcome, it is interesting that the only CEO who refused |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:11 PM Response to Reply #330 |
344. Good to have this info on this thread -- |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 04:53 PM Response to Reply #344 |
352. Yes and that seems to be the way all too often, the good get |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:35 PM Response to Original message |
251. What the administration argues in court and what its policy is |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:39 PM Response to Reply #251 |
252. Umm, You're The One Presuming To "Second Guess" Obama |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:43 PM Response to Reply #252 |
253. Nope. Not at all. And yes, this is now his mess. His DoJ |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:28 AM Response to Reply #253 |
303. No One Is Saying The Lawyers Are "Right", They're Merely Doing Their Job |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:53 PM Response to Original message |
254. Great post, beetmaster! I was on the other side on this one last night--especially so |
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Richd506 (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:59 PM Response to Original message |
255. I Totally agree |
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northofdenali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 11:05 PM Response to Original message |
256. Didn't read some of the thread but - |
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Vattel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 11:31 PM Response to Original message |
260. How do you know that |
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Pacifist Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 07:32 AM Response to Reply #260 |
281. Good question. I don't know the answer, but I can respond to probabilities. |
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Vattel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 10:35 AM Response to Reply #281 |
321. Well, |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 12:52 AM Response to Original message |
265. Yeah, that's the ticket. |
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Truth2Tell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:25 AM Response to Original message |
270. I'll give Obama the benefit of the doubt |
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watrwefitinfor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 07:12 AM Response to Original message |
278. The ignorance on DU around these basic legal principles |
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Pacifist Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 07:40 AM Response to Reply #278 |
282. I know I'm not the brightest bulb in the pack, but... |
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katandmoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 08:50 AM Response to Reply #278 |
287. So Glenn Greenwald and Jonathan Turley are just being dumb? |
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watrwefitinfor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:28 AM Response to Reply #287 |
304. Or deliberately misleading. n/t |
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katandmoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:39 AM Original message |
Please elaborate on exactlyy what you mean by that statement.. |
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watrwefitinfor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:56 AM Response to Original message |
317. Why should I? |
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katandmoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 10:13 AM Response to Reply #317 |
319. Your snotty answer speaks for itself. |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 10:51 AM Response to Reply #278 |
324. How's that? |
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watrwefitinfor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:23 PM Response to Reply #324 |
349. Marie26, in reply to your question: |
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barbtries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 08:13 AM Response to Original message |
284. thank you for writing this |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 08:56 AM Response to Original message |
288. Had to recommend. Thanks for making some very good points. |
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katandmoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 08:57 AM Response to Original message |
289. I do not buy your argument for an instant. |
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tandot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 08:57 AM Response to Original message |
290. K & R. Thanks, Beetwasher |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:26 AM Response to Original message |
302. This is a perspective I haven't seen before |
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debbierlus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:32 AM Response to Original message |
307. Ah...the old Obama has a secret plan....just wait...Sorry, don't buy it |
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Raine1967 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:39 AM Response to Reply #307 |
310. Did you read the OP? |
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katandmoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:41 AM Response to Reply #310 |
312. No, it's about portraying Obama as having a secret plan he clearly doesn't have. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:14 PM Response to Reply #312 |
346. Like you know jack shit about what |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 06:47 PM Response to Reply #346 |
355. Ain't that the truth? |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 12:57 PM Response to Reply #310 |
338. lol |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:44 AM Response to Reply #307 |
314. I'd fall out of my chair if you took Obama's side on anything. Ever. |
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goclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:42 AM Response to Original message |
313. Thank you for your post |
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nolabels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
322. This whole point and tread is FUCKING BULLSHIT............ |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
325. what a load of nonsense. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 12:53 PM Response to Original message |
337. And, here's Olbermann's comments on this --- |
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