Buchanan is getting utterly spanked on Hardball by Lawrence O'Donnell

[zulchzulu]

It is a must-see! Buchanan is a fucking liar on abortion. It turns out that the Catholic faith believed that the "quickening" (about the time of Roe v. Wade's 1st trimester) was where the line was drawn on viability of life.

Hopefully a video is coming...

[stray cat]

1. The louder Pat yells the more he knows he is lying - and Pat was foaming at the mouth

[rpannier]

4. Pat Buchanan is applying the Michael 'Savage-Weiner' approach to a political argument

Be wrong and be loud.

[panader0]

2. Wasn't it beautiful?

O'Donnell is OK in my book.

[rpannier]

3. I went to a Christian Brother High School and had a religion teacher whose

family had a long history of providing one or two people that took the vows -- and by long history he could date it back to the 15th Century.

Apparently there was a time when the Church believed that the fetus wasn't a life until it was 'en-souled' (I think that's the term he used) and that occurred somewhere after two or three months.

I'm a little shaky on when it was (It's been almost 3 decades since I was in his class). I just always found this idea intriguing.

[Cassandra]

5. There were probably enough early...

miscarriages as well as abortions that it was practical to keep women from feeling guilty over an early loss.

[LiberalFighter]

6. Some never do become en-souled. Just saying.

[denem]

7. Apes have souls! You don't believe in evolution do you.

Even chimpanzees! ... oh wait.

[LiberalFighter]

13. Wasn't referring to other primates.

[rpannier]

16. george bush????

dick cheney???

[asdjrocky]

8. They hardly ever put him on with Lawrence

because Lawrence shows the old bigot no mercy. Every time you get the chance to watch them together you should because O'Donnell knows all the right buttons to push to get that idiot to go off.

[omega minimo]

9. "the quickening" relates to the presence/awareness of the mother, which is missing in most

anti abortion insanity.

[high density]

10. "HOW DO YOU LIKE THOSE APPLES?!"

:rofl:

[zulchzulu]

11. VIDEO

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/30144080#30144080

[DrToast]

12. O'Donnell is a pit bull

...without the lipstick.

I love watching him square off against someone.

[Cha]

14. Good to know..

I'm assuming she's on tv because she has a loud vulgar mouth who needs to be held accountable.

[Hieronymus]

15. Lawrence O'Donnell is fabulous ... i saw that exchange too.