Druge retort--Texas wants to leave the US

[mshasta]

WAKE UP CALL: TEXAS GOV. BACK RESOLUTION AFFIRMING SOVEREIGNTY
Tue Apr 14 2009 08:44:54 ET

AUSTIN – Gov. Rick Perry joined state Rep. Brandon Creighton and sponsors of House Concurrent Resolution (HCR) 50 in support of states’ rights under the 10th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

“I believe that our federal government has become oppressive in its size, its intrusion into the lives of our citizens, and its interference with the affairs of our state,” Gov. Perry said. “That is why I am here today to express my unwavering support for efforts all across our country to reaffirm the states’ rights affirmed by the Tenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. I believe that returning to the letter and spirit of the U.S. Constitution and its essential 10th Amendment will free our state from undue regulations, and ultimately strengthen our Union.”

Perry continued: "Millions of Texans are tired of Washington, DC trying to come down here to tell us how to run Texas."
http://governor.state.tx.us/news/press-release/12227/


...ok

[PretzelWarrior]

1. i love to see this constant flow of evidence that the GOP is still

LOONY! Keep it up, you sappy and scrappy minority! Our goal is to make the Republican Party so small you can then drown it in a bathtub.

[liberalmuse]

2. I'm willing to trade Texas...

for that load of toxic waste in the ocean...

[Terry in Austin]

38. "If I owned Hell and Texas..."

"... I would rent out Texas and live in Hell."

General Phillip Henry Sheridan, who had a point.

:evilgrin:

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[FVZA_Colonel]

84. Self-Delete.

Never mind.

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[Sebastian Doyle]

79. Uh, didn't the waste just move to Dallas?

And if you were a REAL Texan, you would throw the Yankee cheerleader fuck right back out.

[MUAD_DIB]

3. Well, if they were to do that

then they should be broken up into 5 smaller states.

[mshasta]

8. lol

they will need visas to cross to the US...or they will be illegal aliens?

[high density]

4. Remind me to avoid Texas

Sounds like a different world down there.

[PretzelWarrior]

7. there are actually great parts. Especially Austin with UT and high tech like Semitech

but the rest of Texas is full of a bunch of really conservative, fake people who make me want to barf.

[Tx4obama]

104. You do know that

besides Austin - the majority of people in Dallas and Houston voted for Obama don't you?

[npk]

5. The level of stupid in the Republican party at an all time high. n/t

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[Nailzberg]

52. Welcome!

Enjoy your short stay.

[bunnies]

6. Can we send all the fundies there first?

:shrug:

[DrToast]

9. Okay, here's what we do....

First, release Texas from the United States and strip them all of their citizenship.

Then, we invade Texas to capture famed war criminal George W. Bush and ship him off to Spain.

We can avoid the whole mess of turning over US Citizens to other countries with a little creativity.

[mshasta]

12. good one!!!

mission accomplished...

[LooseWilly]

83. A toast to DrToast...

Brilliant!!

[question everything]

10. Is this a threat or a promise?

Go, leave, and take the two Bushes with you.

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[acmavm]

94. Hell no! Take 'em all. And dig up the deaders, (if there are any)

put them in a plastic bag, and take them too.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

11. Let's pull out all the weapons and federal government property and agree immediately.

Don't let the door hit you assholes on the way out.

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[newfie11]

13. It's been a LONG time since my Texas history

But as I recall when Texas joined the union the second time they agreed they would never secede again. Of course we know how well government and promises work.

[TankLV]

18. no - it's we all know how well texASSans keep their word or promises...

which is null and zip...

[DevonRex]

27. I thought they were the state that retained the right to secede.

:shrug:

Could have just been bluster by that particular teacher, though. And I left there in the 5th grade, so...

[newfie11]

42. I thought that was the first time they joined the union

There was a decision between going with Great Britain or United States at that time. But like I said my Texas history was 50 years ago so I might be remembering things wrong.

[DatManFromNawlins]

44. They lost that right...

... after the Civil war.

Only right they currently possess that other states don't share is the right to split up into multiple smaller states, AFAIK. They'd lose clout in the House of Representatives but effectively gain 6 or 8 more Senate seats.

[ksoze]

14. AMF!

[Cha]

15. I'm betting there are those in Texas,

especially Austin, who do not agree.

[Terry in Austin]

36. Here!

:hi:

[Cha]

40. I knew it!

:hi:

[olkaz]

16. Nowhere in that article does it say Texas wants to secede.

Rick Perry making a silly statement re: state's/federal rights does not equal a desire for secession.

[Lyric]

21. It's a prelude.

They know damned well that the "Necessary and Proper" clause of the Constitution gives the modern federal government most of the powers that states used to have, and they also know that the 10th Amendment was basically stripped of any meaning by the 14th Amendment, which requires states to be held to the same Constitutional standards as the federal government (i.e., states can't violate the federal Constitution.) The vast majority of the laws they wish to pass under "states rights" are ones that would violate the federal Constitution. They KNOW this. They are making a pointless gesture, trying to build up a case to justify pushing for eventual secession. When the government "fails" to meet their "reasonable" demand for more state power, they'll have their excuse.

Watch and see. Those folks aren't terribly bright. They think they're being clever, but they're as transparent as glass.

[olkaz]

22. I'm not saying that you're wrong about any of that, but the OP is still misleading.

I get it, these guys are goofballs, but no need to mislead when they're crazy enough in their own right.

[ohheckyeah]

30. Really.

Nowhere does the article say that Texas wants to secede from the Union.

[TankLV]

17. except when the STATES vote for something WE disagree with...

like

Pot Use
Gay Marriage
Abortion Rights
Civil Rights
Equal Rights

and
on
and
on

THEN we're for a CONSTITUTIONAL AMMENDMENT to MANDATE what WE want...!!!

fucking hypocrits...

[Lyric]

19. If it actually comes to civil war--let them go.

The lives of thousands upon thousands of American soldiers and innocent civilians are not worth keeping Texas, or any other state. The first Civil War was horrific. The second would be infinitely worse. If we try to force them to stay, they'll have the perfect excuse to do what they've dreamed of doing for decades--systematically murdering every Democrat, liberal, black person, gay person, and non-fundie that comes within the sights of their guns. They won't save their violence for soldiers and battlefields; these people are cowards to the core, and they'll be killing "liberal" civilians before we can blink. What most of them are too fearful to do because of the law right now, they'd do without a second thought if we give them the excuse of a "patriotic" war.

I am Southern. I love my home state. But if West Virginia tries to secede, I'm out of here. NO state is worth the lives we'd lose. Not a single one. If Texas starts another Civil War, the rest of the South is probably going to follow suit, the war will drag on for decades, and I am not interested in my nine-year-old son being drafted when he's older to die for the sake of hanging on to a bunch of bigoted rednecks. There are good people in Texas--we can get them out before we shut down the borders. The rest of them can fucking have the place for all I care.

We'll resettle our good liberal people, take our (movable) federal property, make sure they have no goddamned nukes, and let the redneck fuckwads collapse into third-world Jesusland obscurity on their own. If they get aggressive toward us afterward, we'll fucking destroy them once and for all, and give the state back to the people who deserve it.

[genna]

107. The Republican argument about having lawlessness on our border would apply if we did that

It is a bad idea.

I think the First Civil War was valuable, just and proper. It demonstrated to Abraham Lincoln the value of a black soldiers and prompted him to extend the vote to black males. It ended the crying shame slavery was to this nation. It also put everyone who wanted to own another human being on alert: your time is over.

If their remnants want to stage a new dawn and a new order, it is a fight worth taking on. It is also a call to fight that this nation should answer.

We aren't at that point yet, but it makes no sense to think that if you turn the other cheek you won't have a revolution of a different kind on your hands.

I have been a Democrat all my life. I have never believed violence for the sake of violence is a just cause. I do happen to believe an injustice in Texas is an injustice for the rest of the nation. These yahoos gave us Bush. If we don't deal with their kookiness, their craziness might set new limits which infect the rest of the world tomorrow.

We can't continue to let these people talk like this. They are stirring the bottom of the kook pot.

[MadBadger]

20. I dont really get your headline.

[bmbmd]

24. It's about state's rights,

not about secession. If he were educated in Texas, he would have seen that fact.

[MadBadger]

34. lol, I know.

[Uben]

23. It's just the whiners whining!

I am a Texan and I haven't heard a single person mention this. Since all republicans can do is whine......they're whining! It's what they do! IT'S ALL THEY DO! It's all they have! Aint dat a bitch?

[tammywammy]

25. Because Perry didn't say he wanted to seceed

He was discussing state's rights. It's been on the radio all day.

[Politicalboi]

26. LOL!

I would love to see them do it and then have Mexico take it over. LOL! That would be funny as shit.
Go ahead Texas make our day. And when Mexico takes over don't expect the US military to save your dumb asses. Be very careful what you ask for. And don't look for Chuck Norris to stand next to you to fight off the bandito's. He and his wife just happen to be on vacation. LOL!

[NC_Nurse]

28. If they want to have less fed govt. regulation, all they have to do is give back

all the money they get from them. They can halt all projects funded by the feds, finish them by themselves and
pay the rest of us back for what's already spent. They can pay for their own schools, medicaid and medicare, build their own roads.

Give their share of the funds to CA or FL, they can use it.

[tabbycat31]

29. considering Texas ran DC for 8 years

I find this quite ironic.

[Citizen_Penn]

31. haters can all kiss my big blue butt

living down here ain't for sissies.

but we manage to turn out some folks of whom I am genuinely (gen U winely) proud.

Before you throw the baby out with the bathwater, study up on our contribution to this here little exercise in democracy.

Prejudice is an ugly thing, folks.

Rick Perry may be a Texan, but so am I.

[BobTheSubgenius]

88. You make a fine point which shouldn't need making.

A very good friend of mine is (nominally) from Dallas, and is beyond progressive; a graduate of LSE and a professional musician, to boot. Another two friends from Houston cut from the same cloth. My son's ex, same story.

By the same token, there are those Texans that either infuriate me, or creep me out, same as some people from anywhere else you care to name.

[LanternWaste]

100. And this Texan responds with...

And this Texan responds with, "lighten up, Francis". Allow everyone a bit of visceral and steamy reaction to the governor's position of ignorance. If you honestly believe that those on this thread are actually pushing for the removal of TX from the union, then I think you're looking a bit too hard for insults that don't really exist anywhere but your own imagination.

Literalism is almost as ugly as prejudice...


And I know a lot of sissies who live in TX-- some a re pretty good friends of mine and they get by just fine, thank you very much. If you got to the Renaissance Faire in Waxahachie this weekend, you'll be greeted by about a dozen of them-- drop my sobriquet and you may get a few free mugs of mead :)

[Phx_Dem]

32. Promises, promises . . .

[leftynyc]

33. Can we keep Austin?

The rest of the state I couldn't care less about - sorry to the DU Texans on here that don't live in Austin but what a stupid shit governor is. The fed govt has grown so much in the almost 3 months that Pres Obama has been in office that NOW he's got to make noise?

[Terry in Austin]

37. Had a similar thing going with West Berlin, iirc

Heck, why not?

[leftynyc]

95. They're the ones who want to

secede. I don't believe in forcing them to stay.

[vaberella]

35. Laters Texas...we'll see you when we see you.

Don't ask for your spot back cause we're giving it to Guam.

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[Lyric]

54. Silly Freeper.

Does your Mom know you're up this late and still on the computer?

[EastTennesseeDem]

56. I'm so glad you're here!

I meant to ask one of you, what does "teabag" mean?

[LooseWilly]

85. How many Republicans have the balls to watch a movie called

Pecker?

I'm guessing very few.

[LynnTheDem]

60. It's "your". Not "you're" which is in fact the contraction for YOU ARE.

Such as "You are the stupidest MFer on the planet".

Most of us learn that in grade school.

[Fleshdancer]

61. O'h ye's. It IS a'maz'ing o'u'r P'residen't can spe'ak.

:rofl:

[LynnTheDem]

64. The rightwingnuts sure do have a problem with English, don't they.

Dumbest MFers. Ever.

[Fleshdancer]

71. Yet they expect all foreigners to speak, read, and write English perfectly

I guess "practicing what you preach" doesn't apply to them. :shrug:

[KitchenWitch]

62. And you can go back to Dumbfuckistan where you came from.

[LynnTheDem]

65. Bigger paychecks for most Texas workers this week

Stimulus funds you can bank on
Despite legislative tug of war, consumers getting extra cash
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6360299.html

But hey, you just be sure an' give yours back!

[MrScorpio]

66. What's it like living without a fully functional brain?

Does it go well with your half ass?

[SeattleGirl]

69. Guess we should be kissing Beck's ass like you, eh?

:rofl:

[LynnTheDem]

70. Nahhh, he's teabagging Beck. They're ALL teabaggers now!!1!

Heh.

[SeattleGirl]

72. LOL!

It just totally cracks me up that they don't get what teabagging means! :rofl:

[KitchenWitch]

73. It is kind of like "Two Boys, One Brain" with them.

[SeattleGirl]

76. Heck, I think it would take a big group of them to compose an entire

brain!

:rofl:

[flvegan]

77. Suck it, Hooked on Phonics. Not.

Bitch.

[Hippo_Tron]

80. How about I trade you a pizza for Guam and Obama

It's you're call...

[SeattleGirl]

82. ......

:rofl:

[MilesColtrane]

90. I thought Laura told the Secret Service to keep you away from the computer.

[MiniMe]

39. Can we build a border fence so they can't get back into the US?

Sorry Blue Texans, Perry drove me to it.

[Hansel]

41. If they leave can we forget the Alamo?

:shrug:

[DeepBlueC]

68. YESSSSS!

:rofl:

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[LostInAnomie]

57. LOL! You honestly couldn't find a better thread to use that gem of a response in?

It doesn't even make sense in this thread. :rofl:

[Lyric]

58. It's so easy to talk shit from Mommy's basement, isn't it?

Salute the G.I. Joe poster on your basement bedroom wall, little Freeper, and go finish your WoW game.

[opihimoimoi]

87. Excellent post :o)

[Fleshdancer]

67. You're very concerned about Obama's lips and what they're kissing

This fixation is between you and your therapist, not DU. Good luck with that.

[Hippo_Tron]

81. Well I assumed they were kissing his wife's lips...

But you're nonsensical rant has certainly caused me to reconsider this matter.

:eyes:

[BobTheSubgenius]

89. Wow.

You're <1> as proud of Texas as if you built it yourself, aren't <2> you?



<1> Note proper use of the contraction of "you are."

<2> This is kind of a special case. Literally, it means "are not", but is taken as "are you not".....the trailing "you" notwithstanding.

Figure you might as well learn what you can while you're here. And if you REALLY want to impress when you go back to freeperville and show off your new knowledge, you can tell them about our opposable thumbs.

[Nickster]

91. And how are you serving your country exactly?

[mix]

51. "States' rights" : there's the dog whistle n/t

[and-justice-for-all]

53. Well they can not just succeed from the Union...

Texas should be should back to Mexico, we could use the money.

[usregimechange]

55. Ok, but can we keep Austin?

[Fleshdancer]

63. I love you for saying this

YES, please keep us! They don't want us and we don't want them. :scared:

[DeepBlueC]

74. Oh yeah, we need Austin

But I would feel kind of bad about stranding our Texas Dems. I think Partition is in order.

[BobTheSubgenius]

86. Austin would be worth keeping...

if it only meant keeping Eric Johnson, Monte Montgomery, and Brian Andrew Lee, let alone a whole lot of others. Great place, Austin.

[Terry in Austin]

97. Joining the chorus of "yea's" here

Of chorus!

:woohoo:

[Terry in Austin]

98. self delete - dupe

[DevonRex]

99. And the Rio Grande Valley, too?

[LostInAnomie]

59. I say put it to a vote.

The sections of Texas that want to leave can leave. Those that want to stay should make up their own states.

[DeepBlueC]

75. Here's a chance for State of Mind, State of Affairs (hmm) etc

to assert their existence. :rofl:

[Flash Bazbo]

78. Not surprisingly...

Perry believes Congress has become unresponsive only in the past two years and government too large since late January. Before that everything was dandy.

[Hekate]

92. Stuff like this makes me miss Molly Ivins so much. This is just her kind of material.

:rofl:

[olegramps]

93. They weren't interested in State's Rights in 2000.

They certainly weren't about State's Rights concerned when the United States Supreme Court, without any Constitutional authority, decided the 2000 election. In that case State's Rights to run elections was stomped into the dirt along with the authority of Florida's Supreme Court. This just reaffirms my opinion that Republicans are scum bag enemies of the Republic. Their concept of justice is something to be used to crush their enemies and enrich themselves.

[kiranon]

96. Time to move the Johnson Space Center and not bother Texas any more

with federal government institutions. Move it all out perhaps to Detroit.

[Tx4obama]

102. That won't solve anything...

and it would piss off a lot of Texas Democrats.
Texas is not solid red anymore - it's more like pink on it's way to turning blue ;)

[Tx4obama]

101. Nothing to worry about

Obama got more votes than McCain did in our largest cities/counties:

Austin/Travis County 136,981(McCain) 254,017(Obama)
Dallas/Dallas County 310,000(McCain) 422,989(Obama)
Houston/Harris County 571,883(McCain) 590,982(Obama)

Texas will be BLUE soon ;)

[genna]

103. Why do these guys want to run the federal government?

Doesn't it sound like George W. saying don't mess with Texas?

Why do we need these free range people running the rest of America?

[depakid]

105. The question should probably be rephrased

In light of the evidence over the past 14 years or so: why should Texans ever have any power in the federal government.

[karynnj]

106. My oldest wore a Tshirt she designed saying "Give Texas Back to Mexico"

back in 2000 when she was in high school. 2000 and 2004 (and yeah I know 2004 woud have been different had Gore won) would not have had the depressing results they did.

[moondust]

108. Lots of retirees in Texas.

Cheaper to live in Texas than in some other sunbelt states. Let's ask them if they want to give up their Social Security checks and Medicare.