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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 10:35 PM
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Yet another case for using the ignore button.
As most of us have noticed, it's always the same people characterizing any criticism as "bashing" or trivializing genuine critique as infantile "bitching." It doesn't matter what the president does, they'll always find some way to rationalize it. Nothing he does will ever be "wrong" to them. Criticize Obama for even the smallest thing, and someone will inevitably accuse you of wanting a pony or post a picture of a crying baby--it's as predictable as the tides.

I truly believe that these few people are consumed with rage in their hearts; angry because they adore him so much, and cannot seem to tolerate anyone who views him as the flawed human that he is--that EVERY human is. It's something intrinsic in them. They revere Obama to an unhealthy extent, more so than is healthy for any politician, and have felt this way about him long before he was ever elected president. Why they can't acknowledge even his most glaring mistakes is something I don't understand, but if they aren't able to do so now, they never will be.

They feed off self-righteous outrage, especially each other's. They want to stay outraged, they need to stay outraged! They are not interested in discussion, they are only interested in maintaining the status-quo and defending Obama at all costs, even when he's wrong.

Now I'm NOT talking about reasonable folks who have deep admiration for the things the President has done right, but who are still able to acknowledge and critique his mistakes--I'm talking about those who pick apart every single slight criticism of the President, and then post some inflammatory knee-jerk defensive nonsense in response that always seems to end in an "I'm more loyal than you" contest.

I say just let them have their own little Ignore-land space completely free of any and all criticism; we must realize that no matter what the rest of us say or do, they are never going to be able accept criticism of the President they love so deeply, and no amount of logic and reason is going to change that.

On the few whose admiration seems to have overridden their ability to critically examine issues, and who insist upon inflicting their skewed opinions upon everyone who dares disagree with them, I have been using the ignore function liberally. It makes the board a lot more enjoyable, at least for me. I find the hide thread function to be equally beneficial.

I've heard people say using the ignore function is "cowardly." I disagree. It's not that I don't want to hear praise for the President when he deserves it; it's not that I have a problem with calling out true trolls and genuine "bashers;" it's that I am sick and tired of listening to people react like starving jackals at even the mildest criticism! If I wanted to hear vicious knee-jerk rhetoric in defense of anything a beloved President does, I'd read the Free Republic archives or watch an old Fox news broadcast!

So anyway, I just thought I'd put this out. I've seen some good people leave DU or say they are going to leave because of this constant disparaging by those who can't tolerate any dissent. Then they win. Better to just ignore the troublemakers while those of us who are capable of both admiration AND critique where it's deserved continue to celebrate the fact that we, after 8 long years, finally have a president who is smart, intelligent, thoughtful, has exemplary character, tolerant, focused, trustworthy, enthusiastic, inspiring, confident and positive--while still remaining all-too human and unfortunately prone to mistakes that responsible Democrats and citizens need to call him out on, along with the members of Congress who make their own mistakes.

:)
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 10:39 PM
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1. A righteous rant!
You got that right...

K&R

:patriot:

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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 10:41 PM
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2. Hey Peggy!
I was merely trying to present the other side; it seemed only fair.

:hug:
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rwheeler31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 10:47 PM
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6. Ignore everyone, is that your issue?
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 10:51 PM
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9. Did I say that?
No, that is not my issue. In fact, I have nobody on my ignore list.

I want to keep track of what everyone's up to...

:shrug:

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Hanse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 10:56 PM
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11. Criticizing Obama is their patriotic duty.
But criticize them? Oh no, they can't stand that so they run away.
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biopowertoday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 12:59 PM
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28. The problem is that they generally do not engage
in discussion--just name call or post snarks, etc etc. But you know know that.
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Hanse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 10:42 PM
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3. Nah, those are really dumb reasons to put someone on ignore.
At least if you read between the lines.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 10:44 PM
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4. I agree with Hanse. You'll miss this.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 10:45 PM
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5. recommended.
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 10:49 PM
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7. it is our responsibility to present our argument
against our governing administration. we are what keeps this ship on its right course.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 10:50 PM
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8. Kick
:kick:
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Baltoman991 Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 10:55 PM
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10. While I agree
that we should hold Obamas feet to the fire I will say this............the only rants you'll see from me are against those who take it to another level and call him a fraud, another Bush and corrupt. A good thought out argument is a great thing and will do good for Democrats. It proves we're not locksteppers like the other side.
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 11:03 PM
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13. And that is the heart of the thing.
I have no beef with people who admire, so long as they don't rip to shreds the people who are admonishing where such is due. I don't even have a problem with people who love him so much that they want to burst inside from the joy of it, and can honestly see no wrong from him--so long as they understand that THEIR mindset is not the only "correct" one and should not be treated as such.

Lockstepping is death to democracy. I oppose the idea of Democratically-Freeperizing DU. If we do that, then it just makes us look like a bunch of hypocrites for calling out Freepers for THEIR disinterest in calling * to account for what he did.

Granted, what * did was about ten gazillion times worse than anything Obama could do on his worst day, but still. It's the principle of the thing. I admire and defend where such are appropriate, and I admonish and criticize where those things are appropriate, and I don't deserve to be treated like crap for acting as a good, responsible citizen always should.
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 11:00 PM
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12. I don't use ignore, but I am still going to K&R this.
I like Obama although I certainly have some major disagreements with him, unfortunately some of his supporters scare the hell out of me. Blind allegiance is always a very dangerous thing, we need to speak dissent but we also need to be able to listen to others. That is why I don't use ignore, even though there are a few people who I have never seen post anything intelligent and really tempt me to put them on ignore I refrain from it. I would rather know what they are saying and be able to challenge it then just ignore them and let their words go unchallenged.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 11:03 PM
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14. personally, i've never used "ignore" on anyone and i am not likely to do that in the future, but....

K&R!

:kick:
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 11:16 PM
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15. The constant critics are every bit as irritating.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 03:43 AM
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18. +1
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donco Donating Member (717 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 11:36 PM
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16. Don’t ignore them just
consider them background noise.kinda like "Rush" hour traffic.
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PufPuf23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 11:44 PM
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17. Obama is inspiring in his imageto me
but I am disappointed and very sad in the direction of many of his actions.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 03:54 AM
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19. I'd agree with you if the knee jerk uninformed criticism to good informed criticism ratio wasn't so
Edited on Fri Apr-17-09 03:57 AM by uponit7771
...skewed towards the knee jerk on this board.

There's rarely, if at all, any pragmatism in the critique and a good portion of it sounds freeperish (I backwards post on reThug boards, my way of fighting them from the inside the Colbert way) because there's no 2 perspectives at all even though many gave Bush said benefit of the doubt in this country.

Hell, I gave Bush at least till mid 2002 before I thought he was a 75% fuck up...
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 03:57 AM
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20. You know I would buy into this except
There seems to be an incredible amount of knee jerk reaction to things based on provocative headlines with little regard to the actual reality of the situation going on around here.

today is a perfect example. Plenty of screaming today about how obama thinks torture is just peachy,and outrage that he is giving torturers a free pass.

However when you actually look at what went on today nothing could be further from the truth.

The AIG poutrage was almost an exact duplicate of todays outrage. In the cia case the torturers are practically guaranteed of never being prosecuted simply because the DOJ gave them permission to do so. In the AIG bonus fiasco people were pissed that obama didn't prevent the bonuses when doing so would have more than likely cost more to the taxpayers than paying them.

Its foolishness in both cases and its clear examples of people letting emotions get in the way of reason.

And it is entirely too common on this board of late.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 03:58 AM
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21. Great minds...... :-)....
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 04:01 AM
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22. Hah!
Yea I could have just said +1 or something to your post :P

So much wasted typing !
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 04:06 AM
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23. Nah, they were concieved around the same time I just type fast.
But yeah, the knee jerk around here is freeperish...backwards post on Hannity (it's hard to do while holdin you're nose but you'll get used to it) and you'll see what I'm talking about.

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 01:19 PM
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31. Thank you! (nt)
Edited on Fri Apr-17-09 01:21 PM by redqueen
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 04:36 AM
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24. You've made a case for HIDE THREAD.
And that's what I'll do with this one.

You could have simply responded to an existing thread, but you had to start your own. I'll dump it in the HIDE THREAD vat, with all the other threads that should have been a response to an existing thread, but hubris demanded otherwise.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 05:40 AM
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25. Self Referential Irony Meter Rising Rising Exploding! "Yet another case for using the ignore button"
:rofl:
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 09:53 AM
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26. or, some people get sick of listening to posters who never could stand the guy
doing daily backflips to complain about *everything*
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 12:52 PM
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27. What a messed up and illogical OP
Love breeds hatred and rage???? On what planet????

You are superior to DUers that defend Obama from the never ending attacks that even the Admins are growing sick of???? Are you serious?????


Then again, maybe this post was simply making an excellent case for putting themselves on everyone's ignore list.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 01:04 PM
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29. Oh fuck..
put me on ignore.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 01:10 PM
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30. lol. lame, my friend.
Dissent and criticism are vital. Mindless two minute hate ons for Obama and all things democratic party, not so much. Sorry, you're unable to make the distinction and that you don't have the basic honesty to admit that the latter is not a rare thing. Hopefully, that will change. Bravo to criticism of policies one disagrees with and boos and rotten tomatoes to those throwing out the hate crap.

Now have fun humping away on all those strawmen in you post. Quite entertaining stuff.
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SlingBlade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 01:29 PM
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32. Somebody call the Whambulance for Christ sake
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SlingBlade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 01:30 PM
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33. Somebody call the Whambulance for Christ sake
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