We Are Now Indonesia

[ProSense]

We Are Now Indonesia

Greenwald points to this nugget:

They explicitly recognized that the techniques they were authorizing were ones that we condemned other countries for using -- including as "torture" -- but nonetheless approved them, explicitly saying that the standards we impose on others do not bind us in any way.

And this is, in fact, the Bush-Cheney position. Because America did these things, they are not torture. This is also, by the way, the position of the news reporters and editors at the New York Times and the Washington Post. Does anyone believe that if Iran, say, captured an American soldier, kept him awake for eleven days straight, bashed his head and body against plywood walls with a towel around his neck, forced him to stand and sit in stress positions finessed by the Communist Chinese, stuck him in a dark coffin for hours, and then waterboarded him, that the NYT would describe him as a victim of "harsh interrogation techniques"? Do you think Mike Allen would give anonymity to a top Iranian official who defended these techniques as vital to Iran's national security?

The last seven years have revealed that almost the entire American establishment views itself as immune to the moral and ethical rules it applies to every other country in the world. Now we know, at least. And you can be sure they will protecting each other to the bitter end.

[ProSense]

1. Boston Globe editorial

Not just Cambodia on trial

[Canuckistanian]

2. K&R

I heard this earlier

[glitch]

3. They are proud to be inhuman.

They think it makes them better N*zis.

[followthemoney]

4. Prosecute the torture crimes or renounce the Nuremberg trials

All those poor German soldiers punished for merely following orders.

How they complained that they were only victims of victor's justice.

In light of Bush and Obama's new understanding of laws of war, Germany did nothing to deserve punishment. Torture is natural in the course of war.

If Germany had won WWII the U.S would have been on trial for Dresden. How silly to expect the victor to punish himself.

Law exists to justify and vilify for political purposes.

I will thank you for either stripping away all illusions of justice or for restoring the illusion of a humane world.

[RagAss]

6. The victor? What have we won?

[followthemoney]

7. The U.S. has not acknowledged defeat.

The score so far is a few thousand dead versus a couple million dead.

[DKRC]

5. Do as I say ~ Not as I do

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