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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 04:43 PM
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How Barack Obama resurrected The Dead
Source: Associated Press

LOS ANGELES – He's still got a little work to do on the economy, but already President Barack Obama has accomplished at least one task that had appeared all but impossible just a year ago: He's put The Dead back on the road.

As the core surviving members of the Grateful Dead, once the world's biggest concert draw, barrel across the country for the first time in five years, bass player Phil Lesh says they have Obama, and also Lesh's youngest son, Brian, to thank.

After Lesh, who had never publicly supported a presidential candidate, threw his lot in with Obama, he was anxious to do a benefit concert for him. But he was all but done with The Dead, so it was going to feature his other band, Phil and Friends.

"My son Brian said, 'No Daddy, you've got to get The Dead together because it will be so much more meaningful and important,'" the musician chuckled during a recent phone interview.


Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090417/ap_en_mu/the_dead_return
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No More Bushbots Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 04:51 PM
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1. I thought the thread was going to blame Obama for the Zombie Apocalypse
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 05:02 PM
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3. No, the blame for that will fall on the Umbrella Corporation

Milla to the rescue!
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 05:17 PM
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4. i wouldn't use the word 'blame' in context to a zombie apocalypse.
i would use the words 'give credit'.

i, for one, am waiting diligently for such an event.
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Moonwalk Donating Member (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 07:21 PM
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11. That's next on the list. Give Obama time! First health care, then the Zombie Apocalypse.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 04:55 PM
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2. wow...i thought it was about this......
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 05:20 PM
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5. Well, that's one thing I can fault Obama for.
Edited on Fri Apr-17-09 05:21 PM by stopbush
Face it, The Dead suck tremendously. If there's more-pointless music around, I've not heard it.
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kas125 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 05:44 PM
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6. The Dead isn't exactly the best music in the world. However,
the Grateful Dead was, is, and always will be amazing and inspiring.
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 10:51 AM
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15. How so? (amazing and inspiring)
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 05:55 PM
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7. Well that's just like, your opinion man
If you don't like um, don't listen to um. I don't understand why you feel the need to express hatred towards them but whatever, free country. Sorry you don't "get it". I love The Dead personally. :hippie:
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digidigido Donating Member (553 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 06:47 PM
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9. It must be nice to arrogantly feel so superior, and you're entitled to your opinion
Edited on Fri Apr-17-09 06:48 PM by digidigido
but if you're going to express it, unless your talent is at the level of Keith Jarett
or Bill Frisell, you'd be wiser to keep your opinion to yourself, or you're going to
get comments letting you know what an arrogant ass wipe you are, and I doubt
either of them would critic another artist that way
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 10:57 AM
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16. Wow. Attack a sacred cow and look at the response.
Don't express an opinion about a sacred cow that's contrary to what the Deadheads think or you're "arrogant...superior...an ass wipe." Oooo. Big words from a big man! Seems like one can talk negatively about anything at DU as long as The Dead are off limits.

Perhaps you'll consider that maybe you're being a bit childish.

I'll say it again - their music is pointless. Those extended improvs they're famous for amount to little more than musical asphalt. They look and sound like a garage band that has barely learned how to play their instruments. They're a joke. A bunch of rock/folk/blues emperors performing musically naked.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 02:06 PM
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25. they are an experience as much as a band. they have created a
community that I admire for the most part, people who feel like family have formed around them. I am not as much of a fan of them as musicians as i am of them as the center of an experience. But I would never rank them down on a thread where people are celebrating them. that seems sort of unnecessary for the thread.
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 02:07 PM
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26. I'm not doubting that they are an experience.
I'm questioning their musical worth.
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 05:02 PM
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28. What is your problem dude?
Please keep your Dead hatred to yourself. You only make yourself look more and more hateful with each post. I'm not sure why you are so traumatized by them. We all know how you feel now - because YOUR negative feelings about a band most of us love are so important to the rest of us! I hope you feel good about yourself and the hatred you spew. I ask you to please not even comment if you can't contribute something constructive - but it is a free country.

Oh yeah - FU The Dead RULE! :evilgrin: :hippie:
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 11:12 PM
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31. What's your problem? Since when is honest criticism hate?
Let me guess - you're also a religious person.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 07:19 PM
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10. I'll bet you think Joe Cocker and Janis Joplin can't sing ether
Am I right?
you probably prefer Niel Diamond.
But a whole bunch of people get the Dead and I am one of them...there were not a tighter group of musicians than the Dead.
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 11:01 AM
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17. Cocker and Joplin aren't/weren't great singers, but they are/were good musicians.
Edited on Sat Apr-18-09 11:07 AM by stopbush
The Dead never got past the accomplished amateur level.

Neil Diamond doesn't have a great voice, but at least the charts he performs are good music - the Dead's charts are an embarrassment from a musical perspective.

And, it matters not how many people like any particular musician. Popularity isn't and has never been a measure of a musician's abilities.
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Mopar151 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 12:09 PM
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18. You don't get it
And you're damm proud of it.
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 01:44 PM
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22. What's there to get?
I don't "get" American Idol, either.

BTW - are you a performing musician? Just asking.
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Mopar151 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 11:01 AM
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29. J ust a fan
It's just that I've seen them on a good night, and it's really not about how tight the charts are, or whether Jerry nailed the solo. It is a collborative reality acheived between the audience and artist, and i've never seen anyone else take it to that level.
My other Dead show was a dud - Ivy league college, button-down crowd, who regarded Deadheads as anthropological curiosities
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 11:11 PM
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30. Fair enough. Let me assure you that I've been to plenty of classical music and
jazz concerts where the "collaborative reality" between the performers and audience was taken to a very high level...and, the charts were great music on top of it all.
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Mopar151 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 01:06 PM
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35. Who do you reccomend?
I'm close to Boston, and still have my Ivy league ticket connection. Just be positive...
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 03:11 PM
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38. You can do no better than hitting a Boston Symphony concert
on any given night. They are a spectacular group of musicians.

There's also the Boston Philharmonic under Benjamin Zander who do interesting programs, but their collective playing isn't on the same level as the BSO.

Orchestral seasons are winding down right now, so I don't know who's playing what where. You might catch the BSO at Tanglewood (I know it's a schlep). They're playing an all-Sibelius concert on June 29.

Beyond that, I don't know anything about the music scene in Boston.
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ImOnlySleeping Donating Member (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 07:36 PM
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13. Sounds like you've listened to The Dead
But you haven't heard The Dead
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 12:36 PM
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21. The Dead sucked as musicians. But i still love their music.
They were frequently out of tune, off-key, their rhythm section sloppy and plodding, their odd choices of timbre frustrating, they'd blow the changes to songs they'd preformed hundreds of times before, and their fans tended to be obnoxious rich kid assholes.

But i still have more Dead music on my iPod than any other band. There's something about their collective improvisations that transports me, even when they're sloppy.

Any Deadhead who claims that they were "tight" or that they were somehow top-notch musicians is deluded. They were neither. But they did have the ability to make utterly unique music within their own universe - they spoke a vocabulary no one else cared to speak, a vocabulary they basically invented. Nobody in the 1990s was able to play stadiums AND improvise onstage with Ornette Coleman, David Murray, and the Gyuto Monks at the same time. They invented a system of collective improvisation using "rock" instruments that purposefully included mistakes and dissonances before Derek Bailey, before Sonic youth, before the Spontaneous Music Ensemble, before Crawlspace, etc. We can fault the Dead for a lot, but they essentially brought the radical idea of free improvisation to rock music, and - bottom line - I personally love, and WILL ALWAYS love, their music.

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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 11:16 PM
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32. Thanks for saying what I tried to say but with greater specificity.
Edited on Sun Apr-19-09 11:24 PM by stopbush
I agree with you...except for the part about loving The Dead.

One word about improvisation: here, The Dead - and most musicians, for that matter - are total amateurs when compared to some classical organists I've known. I'm talking about people with deep musical knowledge and skill, who understand key relationships like the back of their hands, and who can flawlessly and seamlessly modulate from distant, unrelated keys into a new tonality. I'm talking about musicians who can take a simple or complex tune that they've never heard before and turn it into a major composition on the spot.

What The Dead called "improvisation" is amateur musical masturbation at its least accomplished and most pretentious. That's just a fact. That doesn't mean people can't enjoy it. Maybe it sounds better or deeper if one is stoned.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 12:58 AM
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33. Well, insisting that your opinion is a "fact" is going to rub a lot of people the wrong way.
IT's like saying "The Beatles were the greatest rock group ever; that's a fact." Actually, no, it isn't.

Look, I understand where you're coming from. I hated the Dead A LOT at first. Friends would thrust tape after tape of the Dead at me, hoping I'd like it, and I didn't. But after a while, i began hearing things in the jams that would make my ears prick up; it helped that most of the tapes my friends would give me were pretty lo-fi, because it made the music sound alien, otherworldly. in fact, For me it was a small step from hearing the Dead on skeevy audience tapes to listening to Caroliner and Guided by Voices's lo-fi shit with the same mindset (i.e truly messed-up improv rock damage from another planet). It also helped that I had already heard Sun Ra and other free-jazzers, and could incorporate dissonance and noise into my listening spectrum without displeasure.

Anyhow, i know why people dislike the Dead. In fact, i STILL can't stand it when they try to play the blues (ugh!) or Chuck Berry (UGH!!). They fucked around a lot and embarrassed themselves even more. However, the part about them being amateurs is problematic. Garcia was probably the most accopmlished banjo player on the West Coast before he even began playing electric guitar in a rock idiom (pre-1964), for instance, and Phil Lesh was a facile composer studying at San Mateo college (under Luciano Berio), and only picked up the bass AFTER garcia hired him for the band. Garcia had an encyclopedic knowledge of folk music. Seeing "A Hard Day's Night" gave them the impetus to begin playing rock music on instruments some of them hadn't played before. Yes, they had limited ability - that wasn't the point. They point was that the Dead, even in their earliest incarnation, were carving out a new thing entirely: collective improvisation within the rock idiom, influenced by the formlessness and chance of the LSD experience. Sometimes, it sounded like shit. Other times, when hit by a gust of inspiration, it could be semi-magical/religious (in the opinion of many). The Dead learned on the job, and that's why their music sounds nothing like any other band's. That's also why the uninitiated often think it sounds like a bunch of drunken amateurs only occasionally hitting the right note. What they were actually doing was holding conversations with one another on stage through their instruments, and thus the improvisations were shaped by the vagaries of their emotions, their abilities, and the drugs they were on. Self-indugent, yes, but if you're fascinated by the idea of COLLECTIVE improvisation (i.e. not just a soloist with backing, but a group of individuals coalescing into something greater than the sum of their parts), then the Dead's jams are pretty enlightening. There's times when Lesh and Kreutzmann lock up so tightly (the "Playin' in the Band" jam from 2/9/73 comes to mind (you can listen to it on archive.org here: http://www.archive.org/details/gd1973-02-09.sbd.ashley.12571.shnf)) that you'd SWEAR they'd rehearsed it. But in order to get to that sweet little nibble, you have to wade through a lot of out-of-tune singing, blown chords, fucked-up signals, and sloppy nonsense. In that context, you could either give up listening, or you could claim that the surrounding nonsense gives the nibble value and meaning. I prefer the latter option. YMMV, of course. Kinda like wading through sewage and finding a ruby.

Oh, yeah, and there's also the issue of timbre. The Dead were a prickly bunch who refused to make their instruments sound like any other musician's. Some eras are unlistenable to my ears because of this intransigence: 1994-5, for instance, or a ot of 1983-84. Those were eras when it seems like the tonal qualities of their guitars, hi-hats, toms, and synths all made for some awfully unpleasant shows. But there's also an admirable aspect to that stubbornness as well - it's not like they were doing something mega-commercial, ya know. It was actually that stubbornness that inspired Deadheads like Greg Ginn (of Black Flag) and Lee Ranaldo (of Sonic Youth) to explore, define, and weaponize their own unusual tonal qualities withing their own band-voice contexts.

Sure, they played SLOWER and sloppier than many other bands, but there were periods (especially November 1972 thru March 1973) that they could have duked it out with any of Miles Davis's electric bands whenever they entered a jam. They were at the top of their game in that era, tight as shit and nimble too. But, indeed, even then they insisted on a slack aesthetic that ensured that mistakes were not only made but encouraged (mistakes often lead to happy accidents, as Bob Ross might say). However, they had control over what they were doing musically, even if they never played with the lightning speed or precision of Mahavishnu or whoever. They were never "great musicians" in the traditional sense. They CREATED the realm and the criteria in which they excelled.

Back to the "amateur" thing: now that i think about it, being "amateurs" isn't always a bad thing. If it hadn't been for amateurs, there'd never be punk rock. I know, through anecdotal evidence, that seeing the Dead fuck up on stage was an inspirational thing for lots of musicians who would have otherwise been too timid to play in front of others. Like Trey Anastasio once said of Pavement, their beauty is in their willingness to suck. The Dead, in a way, were doing something that was sorta punk rock - they didn't give a fuck about selling records, they played out of tune, they knew they couldn't hit all the notes and they did it anyway, etc. Kinda like an American Hawkwind, I guess.


Okay, it's getting late. I can understand COMPLETELY why you think they suck. but simply insisting that your dislike of them is not opinion but "fact" is nothing but trying to incite people, to ruffle feathers, and it's transparent. It's much easier and much more faithful to the tenets of reality to just say "I really hate them, and here's why..." than to say, "They are terrible, and that's a fact." Because it causes fewer flamewars and fewer people will think you're an asshole. However, if your intention was to provoke people into thinking you're an asshole, so be it. That's fine, too.
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 12:28 PM
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34. Thanks for the post, which enumerates quite nicely why
I consider it a "fact" that the Dead sucked as musicians. I don't see much difference between what I'm saying and what you're saying, except that you like the Dead and I think they suck. I'm talking as a professional musician.

You know, there are those musicians who are so spectacular that you really notice it when they make the very infrequent mistake, like a Pavarotti blowing a high note, or Eric Clapton screwing up a guitar lick, for instance. Then, there are those musicians whose execution and musical ideas are so substandard that you really notice it when they get something right. I think you're saying the Dead fall into that category.

As far as The Dead's improvisations, I don't see the point of wading through a ton of half-assed crap to (hopefully) experience the very occasional gem, if for no other reason than I could have spent that time listening to something really great instead of listening to all the crap. That's just not how art and craft works, in my experience. The great artists in any field - be it music, painting, dance or surgery, for that matter - have as a hallmark a CONSISTENCY of excellence. And they bring their high level of skill and artistry to everything they play, be it some huge concerto or a trifle of a musical bon-bon. They play with the same conviction and dedication at the local multipurpose venue as they do at the Hollywood Bowl or Carnegie Hall. That's why they're paid the big bucks.

You're right that the Dead basically learned on the job. As a musician, I'd have to say that unless they were booked solid 365 days a year and didn't have time to rehearse, that I find it a bit masturbatory to subject one's audience to such exercises, rather than working most of it out in rehearsal. Believe me, even improvisation is worked out in rehearsal in the broad strokes and often in the small strokes as well.

As far as mistakes in performance, well, those happen all the time with the best of people, because they are people, after all. But musicians who aspire to be artists take the time required to gain mastery over their instruments so mistakes become the exception, not the rule. No musician is a better or more-expressive musician because they're less accomplished on their instrument than the norm.

In fact, every musician has two sides - the emotional/expressive side, and the technical/playing ability side. The sad truth is that the emotional side of the equation is always, ALWAYS governed by what the technical side can accomplish. Not having a high degree of technical accomplishment very much limits what a musician can do emotionally, and into that category I place the Dead. Imagine what they could have done in their "group collaborations" had they had even a slightly above average degree of technical competence on their instruments.

The Dead would have benefited from having their Bill & Ted moment ("Ted, I think it's time we learned how to play these instruments" "Yeah.").

I don't begrudge their fans thinking they're special. I'm just saying that that "special" doesn't extend to their musical abilities, performance-wise, composition-wise or improvisational-wise.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 01:37 PM
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36. I'm speaking as a professional musician as well.
Edited on Mon Apr-20-09 01:39 PM by RandomKoolzip
I suppose the difference between what you're saying and what I'm saying is that I'm saying that you can make great music without being a great musician. And my own preference is in favor of bands and musicians who fuck up, make mistakes, but in the process, create something utterly unique. I'd place the Dead in that category, as well as most outsider musicians (Daniel Johnston, for instance), and performers such as Guided by Voices, the Minutemen, Meat Puppets, Caroliner, most of the experimental noise underground (not for nothing do the Dead get reviewed in The Wire!), and Bob Dylan. None of the above could be called technically skilled (except maybe the Minutemen), but all have created music that is wonderfully expressive. I guess, if we're going to use the technical/expressive binary model, my own preference is definitely for the latter. I can't stand freeze-dried "perfect" musicians who never make mistakes, never get sloppy, never seem fully HUMAN. That's one reason I like underground/indie rock-type stuff and i fuckin' hate techno/dance music. That's why i collect bootlegs, too.

As far as the Dead's compositions, I'd have to say that Hunter/Garcia wrote some pretty impressive songs. "Friend of the Devil" and "Mission in the Rain," to name but two, would be the envy of many a songwriter, in terms of the structural acumen and the emotions they capture. But, of course, everyone's milage varies. And, of course, every time they tried to get bluesy, they were a pox on the ass of music itself. Bad Dead! Bad Dead! No acid for you! But within their own narrow aesthetic realm, I think those compositions which SOUNDED the most "Dead" ("Run for the Roses" and "Ruben and Charise" are two other good ones) were quite good, melodically speaking.

Anyhow, this has been an interesting conversation for GD! Have a good week.
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 01:52 PM
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37. Re: your statement that
"I can't stand freeze-dried "perfect" musicians who never make mistakes, never get sloppy, never seem fully HUMAN."

Could you name a few musicians who fall into that category? I mean, by name? I hear that canard all the time, but that's what it is, a canard. I know no musicians who fall into such a category, but I'm willing to be alerted to them so that I might avoid them!
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 09:08 PM
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39. You mentioned Eric Clapton. Perfect example.
The guy's basically been creatively dead (not "Dead") since he kicked heroin. He's too clean, too safe, too sedate, too reverent.

Ummmm...off the top of my head, who else....Uh, Steely Dan since "Katy Lied." Dream Theater. Pretty much any metal guitarist who "shreds." Maroon 5. Prtty much any musical act who ever had a concert of theirs broadcast during a PBS fundraising drive. Most classical musicians. Almost any post-Coltrane jazzist who wishes for a return to pre-Coltrane times (I'm looking at you, Wytnon). Every country act who's had a major label album put out in the last twenty years (I lived in Nashville for five fucking years; Lord, they know what they do, do not be merciful). Yanni. Spyro Gyra. The "Saturday Night Live" house band. The faceless dupes and stupes who comprise most 1960s revival acts, especially the "soul" revues. Rush ever since "Distant Early Warning." Michael Buble. Harry Connick Jr. Beyonce's touring band. Pre=programmed ProTools stooges who don't use real drums. Drummers who use click tracks because they WANT to. Genesis for the last thirty years. Earth, Wind and Fire for the last twenty-five. Maze featuring Frankie Beverly. Pink Floyd cover bands. The orchetra in the pit at every production of "Tommy." The Who minus Keith Moon. Yes since the Buggles. Journey....Nickelback (same thing). Corporate/rap/nu-metal bands. James Blunt. Five for Fighting. McCartney since the dissolution of Wings. Any band who's ever sold music to the "Weather Channel." Any musician who ever recorded for Wyndham Hill. Bela Fleck. Pink. Any teeny-popper's touring band (except for Myley Cyrus's band - they fuckin' RAWK!). Any Wooten brother. The Max Weinberg 7. Pretty much anyone who had a top ten single between the years 1984-1991. Every Zappa cover band (jeez, way to get it COMPLETELY ass-backwards wrong, Dweezil!). Distressingly, most King Crimson since "Discipline." Portishead. Avril Levigne's touring band. Anyone who's ever been filed under "downtempo," "chill," "drum 'n' bass," "trip-hop," or "techno". Rihanna. Anyone who over-sings - this includes Gladys Knight. Anyone Oprah might listen to. Little Feat since the death of Lowell George. Most bands whose bassist plays an instrument with more than four strings. Styx. Queensrhyche. Did I mention Steely Dan yet?
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 10:43 PM
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40. Wow. You named names.
But I doubt that a single Deadhead who got their panties in a wad over my trashing The Dead will bother taking you to task for taking a bazooka to all of the people you've named above. There will be no "you're an asshole," "what's your problem, dude?' or "you're a hater" rhetoric from the DH's this time 'round.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 11:51 PM
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41. No, because I'm right.
Edited on Mon Apr-20-09 11:55 PM by RandomKoolzip
:smile:

Actually, i'm just kidding. Sorry.

I'm an opinionated son-of-a-so-and-so. If you think I haven't been taken out behind the woodshed more than once on DU for allged opinion-crimes regarding sacred rock cows, then you obviously weren't an obsessive denizen of the Lounge back in '03, '04, and '05. I used to post all sorts of offensive anti-yourfavoriteband stuff back in da day, and the flamewars abounded.

I think one reason might be that i said something along the lines of "I hate so-and-so," rather than "so-and-so is terrible, and that's a fact." Those last three words are the ones that getcha into trouble. (Maybe I didn't say "I hate so-and-so," but whatever. you get the idea)

Then again, the Dead are kinda sacred cows around here. So you gotta be prepared for blowback when you spray spleen/snot all over 'em. But if you think the treatment you got for trashing the Dead was bad, try trashing Springsteen some time! Holy Shit! It's like a blood sprinkler!

In any event, this is nothing any of us ought to be taking seriously. Or maybe it's a life-or-death thing. I'm still not sure. I'm too zooted on cough syrup to know the difference right now. Good freakin' night!

On edit: I said "I can't stand..." yadda X3. Again, there's a world of difference between saying "I can't stand X" and "It is a fact that X is terrible." One does not feign objectivity, and the other is sure to light someone's drawers on fire in a hurry.

Arrrgh!! Let's change the subject!
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 11:44 AM
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42. You're right. It's only rock music we're talking about.
It's not like we're talking about a complex art form.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 05:57 PM
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8. and Clinton brought Fleetwood Mac together again
nt
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nolabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 07:28 PM
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12. Nothin' left to but smile, smile, smile!
Oh hayull yeah.
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 09:57 AM
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14. :-)
:)   :D   :)   :D   :)   :D   :)   :D   :)   :D :)   :D   :)   :D   :)   :D   :)   :D   :)   :D   :)   :D
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 12:10 PM
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19. Patrick Leahy must be in heaven - he's a huge Dead fan.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 12:23 PM
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20. Sadly so is Ann Coulter.
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GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 02:02 PM
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24. Isn't she their mascot?
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GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 01:56 PM
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23. I'll only be impressed if he resurrects Jerry Garcia
Wouldn't THAT be something! But seriously, I'm happy what's left of the band is together again.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 03:35 PM
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27. Love it!!! K&R
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