Water-boarded 183 TIMES??? And you don't think he started making shit up?

[KansasVoter]

How dumb are the pro-torture people???

You water-board a guy 183 times and you don't think at some point he started inventing stuff to tell them?

If it was me, I would use my time between torture sessions to invent stuff to tell them next time!

And his reward for telling them real information was to get water-boarded again the next day! Wow, what an incentive to tell the truth!!

At what point did they use water-boarding to punish these people for 9/11 and it had nothing to do with getting information!

What a joke the Bush administration has become!

[Mz Pip]

1. At some point early on

I doubt this was anything about information gathering and just about revenge and retribution. It wouldn't have mattered what he said, true or not.

[hedgehog]

2. At that point, there must have been some brain damage from

the lack of oxygen and/or continual stress. He would have been willing to tell tham he was the lead agent in an alien invasion!

[KansasVoter]

3. Excellent point!

[WeDidIt]

4. Hell, I'd Confess to Sucking Satan's Cock after the first time!

Waterboarding is horrendous torture.

[hedgehog]

5. I believe that many women did exactly that during the witch hunts!

[yodermon]

6. it was done PRECISELY to create dis-information

which they immediately turned around and used as "actionable intelligence" (i.e. more war).

[Supersedeas]

7. actionable intelligence 183 times....because it is so effective the first time

[yodermon]

12. maybe on the 182nd time he would name some other name/location

which all involved knew was made up, but gave the admin just enough cover to say "it was source by hi level al queada operatives" bla bla blah.

Like curveball, but with torture.

[Avalux]

8. Within a MONTH. That's how many times a day??

Eventually, he figured out they weren't really going to kill him. DOH!!!

[Supersedeas]

11. but consider 42 USC 2000dd-1: Good faith reliance on counsel

http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/42C21D.txt

(a) Protection of United States Government personnel
In any civil action or criminal prosecution against an officer,
employee, member of the Armed Forces, or other agent of the United
States Government who is a United States person, arising out of the
officer, employee, member of the Armed Forces, or other agent's
engaging in specific operational practices, that involve detention
and interrogation of aliens who the President or his designees have
determined are believed to be engaged in or associated with
international terrorist activity that poses a serious, continuing
threat to the United States, its interests, or its allies, and that
were officially authorized and determined to be lawful at the time
that they were conducted, it shall be a defense that such officer,
employee, member of the Armed Forces, or other agent did not know
that the practices were unlawful and a person of ordinary sense and
understanding would not know the practices were unlawful. Good
faith reliance on advice of counsel should be an important factor,
among others, to consider in assessing whether a person of ordinary
sense and understanding would have known the practices to be
unlawful. Nothing in this section shall be construed to limit or
extinguish any defense or protection otherwise available to any
person or entity from suit, civil or criminal liability, or
damages, or to provide immunity from prosecution for any criminal
offense by the proper authorities.

[Hekate]

9. How do you think the Spanish Inquisition got so many colorful stories out of "witches"?

"Did you kiss the Devil's member and was it cold as ice?"
"Yes! yes! Just stop twisting the thumbscrew for God's sake!"

I'm sure he told his torturers what-ev-er they wanted to hear. :argh:

Hekate

[Supersedeas]

10. at what point to it become a breach of 18 USC 2441(c)(3) that is not protected by the MCA

only on the 186 waterboarding is it a grave breach of common Article 3


Surely, Judge Bybee (being a Federal Appellate Court Judge with a lifetime appointment) would know how many 100's of times it takes to be a 'grave breach'.

[cliffordu]

13. If they'd shown me a TAPE of waterboarding I'd have blabbered like there's

no tomorrow.